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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Sure, that's why Superman is a fantasy character and not a horror story. It's just a pretty thin line sometimes. I still don't find that more scary. I mean that system has basically doomed humanity to extinction within the century. Superman may be one guy, but he's generally portrayed as benevolent.
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Does this count as Batman threatening to kill someone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZM1QiP0yIw
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Latest photo of Brandon Routh: https://mobile.twitter.com/mguggenheim/status/765684462449332224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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The MSJ posted:Latest photo of Brandon Routh: Man twitter comments are worse than youtubes
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:At best he reads the back of the TPB and a wiki summary. He storyboards his own movies, and often uses comic panels as reference for doing so. He kept Action Comics #1 on him at all times while directing MoS/BvS.
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The MSJ posted:Latest photo of Brandon Routh: "Man our show was an absolute mess last year, what should we do to fix it?" "Put Routh in a samurai helmet?" "loving BRILLIANT!"
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Recently two of my favorite RPG designers - who are very smart people who I respect - did a podcast where they argued that the DCEU movies were significantly worse than DC television. And it's like, I don't know what the hell is going on here but DC television is, at best, EXACTLY like the DCEU movies - wildly uneven, with good ideas mashing up against bad ones. I do not understand why the movies get under people's skins so badly.
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It's the problem with genre fare of any description. So much of it is about vetting how well something performs against formula.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:14
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I do not understand why the movies get under people's skins so badly. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's the problem with genre fare of any description. So much of it is about vetting how well something performs against formula. This, too, but also because movies are more important than television. It's the same "[X] fans don't actually like [X]" scenario. It's a hierarchy of values based on "guilty pleasure."
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Aug 18, 2016 16:16
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I'm glad that WB doesn't care for Jared Leto's Joker enough to force us to watch another movie with Batman vs Joker's wacky crime chaos.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:19
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Yeah, TV still has a sense of being "less than" movies. The Oscars are more important than the Emmys, etc. You also have an issue of scale. You can have a couple really great episodes out of 26 and hold those up as amazing while brushing aside the less than stellar episodes. If you only have 3 movies and they have all had serious problems, then they will naturally have a much bigger focus just because there are fewer targets. Attaching a direct cost to entertainment has an impact too. If someone pays 15 dollars to watch a movie that disappoints them, it stings more than clicking on an episode in the Netflix queue and being disappointed.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:20
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The problem with the DC TV slate is that the seasons are too long. I would like them to switch to a different model where say Flash happens from Sept-Dec/Jan and Arrow happens from Jan-May or vice versa. This is especially apparent in the last couple seasons of Arrow where the story was so thin to stretch it over 23 episodes was kind of laughably bad or exhaustive to how much they struggled.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Recently two of my favorite RPG designers - who are very smart people who I respect - did a podcast where they argued that the DCEU movies were significantly worse than DC television. I like the people who seriously argue that the TV Flash outfit is better than the movie Flash.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:32
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Actually since Zack Snyder is legitimately an artist, and storyboards his movies, I would love to see him actually do a comic. Would probably be sick as hell.
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Chairman Capone posted:I like the people who seriously argue that the TV Flash outfit is better than the movie Flash. I know someone IRL who actually argued that the Deadshot from the Arrow TV show would have been a better Deadshot choice than Will Smith. She was really sincere about it and I just kept my drat fool mouth shut.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I know someone IRL who actually argued that the Deadshot from the Arrow TV show would have been a better Deadshot choice than Will Smith. She was really sincere about it and I just kept my drat fool mouth shut. There are some incredibly perfect casting choices in Flash and to a lesser extent in Arrow but yeah, that isn't one of them.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:There are some incredibly perfect casting choices in Flash and to a lesser extent in Arrow but yeah, that isn't one of them. They wasted Michael Jai White. That's Blade 2 levels of criminality.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:That's Blade 2 levels of criminality. I thought you were referring to Ron Perlman and I was like "Huh? He wasn't wasted! He was a total dick and had a few awesome moments where he really stood out!" Then I remembered Donnie Yen 
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hiddenriverninja posted:I'm glad that WB doesn't care for Jared Leto's Joker enough to force us to watch another movie with Batman vs Joker's wacky crime chaos. Are you basing this off the scenes they cut from SS? I haven't seen WB comment on his Joker. I've heard about Jared complaining though.
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Grendels Dad posted:Sean Young Finkle/Einhorn. 
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MacheteZombie posted:I've heard about Jared complaining though. I'm going to assume that's just the latest installment of the WB viral advertising campaign that some ad agency cooked up, starting with the "Oh my god look how RANDOM Leto was during filming!" shenanigans and now moving into the "True Joker fans should demand that WB release an extended cut with all his scenes restored!" phase. Not that we can prove it either way, or that anyone should actually care either way.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:I'm going to assume that's just the latest installment of the WB viral advertising campaign that some ad agency cooked up, starting with the "Oh my god look how RANDOM Leto was during filming!" shenanigans and now moving into the "True Joker fans should demand that WB release an extended cut with all his scenes restored!" phase. Ayer's already said the deleted scenes will be on the bluray. Not as a new cut mind you. There's a vine of Leto saying "gently caress em" regarding his contract obligations to WB/DC. He sounds legit pissed/sad that his stuff got cut. Not that I'm defending him because making millions of dollars for playing a clown sounds like a good gig.
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If Leto is really shocked that the movie between BvS and Justice League turned out to be a commercial production uninterested in his artistic vision, he's even further out of touch with reality than I thought he was.
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hiddenriverninja posted:I'm glad that WB doesn't care for Jared Leto's Joker enough to force us to watch another movie with Batman vs Joker's wacky crime chaos. I hope that he gets his own movie, but I don't know who'd direct that. He should direct it. They should just say, here is your budget to be James Franco in clown makeup. It would be great.
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Jared Leto alienated the cast and crew by acting like an rear end. Cutting his screentime was probably inevitable.
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HIJK posted:Jared Leto alienated the cast and crew by acting like an rear end. Cutting his screentime was probably inevitable. None of that poo poo actually happened
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Y Kant Ozma Diet posted:None of that poo poo actually happened I still haven't gotten around to watching Suicide Squad but this stuff was by far the most off-putting part of the marketing to me. The trailers looked pretty interesting but every time I heard about how a cast member only met the Joker or how Leto called his Joker a "beautiful disaster" or some other instance of a cast member getting a bloody razor blade or something in their mailbox I was  so hard I could see my nasal cavity. I have no idea how his performance shakes out, but I'd prefer to not have that kind of press crop up if he sticks around.
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Yeah, apparently he sent dead mice to Margot Robbie and the whole time I'm thinking to myself "All Heath Ledger did was lock himself in a hotel room and read Joker stories and he won an Oscar at the end.". There is staying in character and there is this.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I still haven't gotten around to watching Suicide Squad but this stuff was by far the most off-putting part of the marketing to me. The trailers looked pretty interesting but every time I heard about how a cast member only met the Joker or how Leto called his Joker a "beautiful disaster" or some other instance of a cast member getting a bloody razor blade or something in their mailbox I was Why would you read all that clickbait. The actual joker character in the film is just an amalgam of the three most popular versions.
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The Joker in Suicide Squad is only in it for about 5 minutes. I went in preparing to hate this version passionately, but in the end, he was barely there and just terribly boring instead of terribly terrible. Same thing happened with BvS. I was expecting great things, then heard terrible reviews, and in the end, it was not a terrible movie, but it was terribly boring for about 80% of it.
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Perhaps its just viral marketing for the next movie which will be based on the old comic where a mobster pretends to bequeath joker millions of dollars but actually gives him much less.
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Nobody is impressed with this method actor stuff anymore anyway, its all been done before by better actors than Jared Leto. Its very well known to the public at this point, and other actors pretending to be shocked and appalled just comes off as a weak attempt at marketing.
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People are still talking about these nonsense stories months later, it was pretty effective marketing.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The Joker in Suicide Squad is only in it for about 5 minutes. I went in preparing to hate this version passionately, but in the end, he was barely there and just terribly boring instead of terribly terrible. Same thing happened with BvS. I was expecting great things, then heard terrible reviews, and in the end, it was not a terrible movie, but it was terribly boring for about 80% of it. I laughed out loud at the end gag where his SWAT uniform said JOKER on it. I liked him, and don't think he was so underused, he basically had the only big subplot outside the core team and was the focus of all of Harley's flashbacks (and she had the most). I am looking forward to him fighting Batman in his movie, hopefully with his costumed henchmen who were rad.
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:People are still talking about these nonsense stories months later, it was pretty effective marketing. Yeah but these people are just complaining about it, it's not like they actually saw the mo- oh.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:I'm not sure what comics are like since New 52 came out, but pre-New 52 this is a huge part of DC Comics lore. Not just Batman, not just Superman, but every single DC Comics story. Heroes don't kill. Period. That's why comic fans get confused when the heroes kill. Fans call Batman a hero because he stops short of killing his victims. Even worse, fans justify Batman's existence by citing the Gotham police force as corrupt, but Batman is part of that system, turning in criminals with cuts and bruises knowing that the police will look the other way. Good Batman stories acknowledge that his existence is wrong and his thinking is flawed. 
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O'Neil/Adams Batman is the best Batman.
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Toady posted:Fans call Batman a hero because he stops short of killing his victims. Even worse, fans justify Batman's existence by citing the Gotham police force as corrupt, but Batman is part of that system, turning in criminals with cuts and bruises knowing that the police will look the other way. Good Batman stories acknowledge that his existence is wrong and his thinking is flawed. Batman is blinded by his obsession in the movies, nerds just see it as a flaw with the film as he never monologues about it.
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wyoming posted:Batman is blinded by his obsession in the movies, nerds just see it as a flaw with the film as he never monologues about it. Like that's literally the Martha scene.
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I found it pretty weird when people were upset at BvS Batman acting like a deranged, obsessed person for most of the movie  SuperMechagodzilla posted:Why would you read all that clickbait. Okay, I'll admit I didn't really read most of it, but I'd see it get mentioned or quoted in other threads, mentioned in passing on a podcast, etc. MeatwadIsGod fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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