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BattleMaster posted:Did they mention what kind of spacecraft Nicholas Locarno and his team were flying when they did that dangerous maneuver that killed the guy? Because I always assumed they were single-seater craft that were analogous to fighters. Academy flight trainer http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Academy_flight_trainer Edit: "The otherwise indiscernible symbol in front of the cockpit was that of Cobra from the G.I. Joe franchise." Tears In A Vial fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Aug 19, 2016 |
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...Which says attack ship which leads to the maquis ships. Damnit the wiki disease of neverending interesting/cool reading.
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Aug 19, 2016 04:22
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:This seems to generally be because the weapon arrays on starships are so overwhelming that maneuverability is meaningless. Dennis Okuda wrote in a Star Trek Encyclopedia that the Enterprise-D can fire on 30 different targets simultaneously.
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Aug 19, 2016 04:48
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The other day I saw Star Trek Beyond and if you like drone swarms, then boy is that the movie for you.
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Aug 19, 2016 04:50
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"The Secret Intrigue Behind The Mirror Universe" is apparently...LESBIANS! 
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Aug 19, 2016 04:53
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I was curious what Gates McFadden was up to about 10 years ago and holy poo poo is there a lot of Troi/Crusher slash out there.
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Astroman posted:"The Secret Intrigue Behind The Mirror Universe" is apparently...LESBIANS! The worst kept secret in two universes!
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Aug 19, 2016 04:56
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FilthyImp posted:Fighters should just be drones in overwhelming numbers. Just a swarm of lovely disposable photon torpedo bombers meant to overload the targeting systems and just batter the gently caress out of shields. About time the Nanites got a loving job. 
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Aug 19, 2016 05:24
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The Loss is a great episode, it has Troi realizing that she uses her empathic powers as a crutch and she doesn't actually know how to deal with people without them. ...except that she magically gets her powers back in the end and doesn't learn anything from the experience. The End! No moral.
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Aug 19, 2016 06:11
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Fister Roboto posted:The Loss is a great episode, it has Troi realizing that she uses her empathic powers as a crutch and she doesn't actually know how to deal with people without them. There's a part of me that thinks a good short story would be to go to a planet where nobody can read facial expressions, but everyone is still facially expressive, and for someone to show up who could read those facial expressions would be intensely scandalous.
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Aug 19, 2016 06:41
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The fact that they use telepathic and empathic aliens in an official capacity is such bullshit. They could just pretend you're lying and no one would know. "I didn't do that thing you're accusing me of." "He's lying, captain, I can sense it." "Well that proves it, shoot him out the airlock."
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Cojawfee posted:The fact that they use telepathic and empathic aliens in an official capacity is such bullshit. They could just pretend you're lying and no one would know. In practice, Troi is just a Gwen DeMarco, not much of an advantage and more often than not a weak point, since you can pretty easily knock her out just with the pure force of being an rear end in a top hat.
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Aug 19, 2016 07:27
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"I plead the fifth." "Yeah well telepathy says gently caress you"
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Cojawfee posted:The fact that they use telepathic and empathic aliens in an official capacity is such bullshit. They could just pretend you're lying and no one would know.
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Cojawfee posted:The fact that they use telepathic and empathic aliens in an official capacity is such bullshit. They could just pretend you're lying and no one would know. They did sort of address that couple times (though it may have been on Voyager so  ). At some point, I remember them saying that the Federation doesn't consider telepathic readings/memory extraction/whatever to be entirely foolproof or reliable (though iirc the aliens of the week did), so legally they were treated more like circumstantial evidence that probably wasn't good enough to condemn someone without corroboration. Sort of like how polygraphs or expert testimony are (supposed to be) treated in modern courtrooms.
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https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/763141566034739200 https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/765544928390713344 https://twitter.com/swear_trek/status/763078417499713536
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Cojawfee posted:The fact that they use telepathic and empathic aliens in an official capacity is such bullshit. They could just pretend you're lying and no one would know. They actually addressed this... in Babylon 5.
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Tears In A Vial posted:Academy flight trainer And an unused design for the Maquis Fighter ended up becoming the Defiant! 
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Aug 19, 2016 14:08
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A story about the Maquis stealing a Defiant variant from wherever it is they mothball prototype starships would have been interesting.
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Aug 19, 2016 14:15
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Re: post ST09 Romulan chat: I just watched TNG's Reunification the other night and given that Spock stays on Romulus to assist the movement and the next time we see him is ST09 where he is openly assisting the Romulan government with advanced Federation tech, did reunification succeed?
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AnxiousApatosaurus posted:Re: post ST09 Romulan chat: I just watched TNG's Reunification the other night and given that Spock stays on Romulus to assist the movement and the next time we see him is ST09 where he is openly assisting the Romulan government with advanced Federation tech, did reunification succeed? No. The implication is that the Hobus supernova was threatening many worlds, not just Romulan ones, so the Federation's decision to intervene was pretty easy to make. And even if it was only Romulus, I'm sure the Federation would have offered anyway. Something similar happened with the Klingons and the Praxis incident.
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All you nerds making GBS threads on starfighters and the Excelsior class and other cool things, if you poo poo on the Defiant, we're gonna fight. She's a tough little ship.
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Aug 19, 2016 14:34
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Gammatron 64 posted:All you nerds making GBS threads on starfighters and the Excelsior class and other cool things, if you poo poo on the Defiant, we're gonna fight. She's a tough little ship. Little?
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I think those Romulan guys blaming Spock for Romulus blowing up was pretty spot on. It makes perfect sense that a bunch of backwoods hillbillies would think that the guy trying to help was actually to blame for everything. The only thing missing was for the Romulans to claim that Spock is a secret Reman.
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Aug 19, 2016 14:43
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Geeze, man, he's just a military officer from a rival nation who's been running a secret society for decades built around recruiting young people into abandoning their culture and adopting his weird ideology. What's suspicious about that?!
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Platonicsolid posted:Little?
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Angry Salami posted:Geeze, man, he's just a military officer from a rival nation who's been running a secret society for decades built around recruiting young people into abandoning their culture and adopting his weird ideology. What's suspicious about that?!
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The_Doctor posted:A story about the Maquis stealing a Defiant variant from wherever it is they mothball prototype starships would have been interesting. Is... is this a put on?
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armoredgorilla posted:Is... is this a put on?
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Gammatron 64 posted:All you nerds making GBS threads on starfighters and the Excelsior class and other cool things, if you poo poo on the Defiant, we're gonna fight. She's a tough little ship. The design is neat, I only have two beefs with the ship: - As portrayed it didn't seem to have any drawbacks beyond maiming bridge crew, which kind of implies "heh nacelles on pylons really is dumb". I think it would have been cool if it were shown to be not the fastest ship at warp speed, or maybe that it runs incredibly hot (like running from DS9 to Earth and back will nearly drain the antimatter tanks), or something like that. - It's a dramatic/production limitation, I know (annnnnd maybe a desire to not be too alike with B5  ) but from Sisko's introduction of it I felt like we should have eventually been seeing them operating in wolfpacks; they were supposedly designed to be something you could ramp up production of and send in large numbers against Borg cubes or Romulan invasion fleets or what-have-you.The_Doctor posted:A story about the Maquis stealing a Defiant variant from wherever it is they mothball prototype starships would have been interesting. ...you know there was an episode where the Maquis stole Defiant herself, right?
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The Maquis were cool until the made Eddington their leader. He was the goddamned worst. I mean just a poo poo actor through and through.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:...you know there was an episode where the Maquis stole Defiant herself, right? Oh bloody hell, of course there is. With beard patches Thomas. 
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The_Doctor posted:Oh bloody hell, of course there is. With beard patches Thomas.  The greatest "dun dun DUNNNN!" moment in Star Trek history.
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It's so funny he has a fake disguise beard instead of just concentrating for a few minutes and spontaneously growing one himself like we know that the Riker can
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The only way I could see starfighters working is if they went the Freespace 2 route. Zipping around dogfighting, ganging up to take out smaller capital ships, picking off subsystems on the bigger ones, all while phaser and disruptor beams from the capital ships rip through space frying them if they get too close.
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Sash! posted:It's so funny he has a fake disguise beard instead of just concentrating for a few minutes and spontaneously growing one himself like we know that the Riker can Prime Riker didn't gain that power until after the transporter accident.
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Sash! posted:Big lumbering ships that have no evasive capacity and rely on passive defenses and no active countermeasures and still can't accurately hit each other with phasers? Did you read the rest of my post where I proposed several different scenarios that could produce the kind of dramatic tension that would make a fight between them actually interesting to watch? All Trek technology (Treknology) needs to be limited somehow in order for there to be interesting drama. Sometimes it works out and is awesome, like in Wrath of Khan; other times it's dumb like in most holodeck episodes or when Harry gets locked out for no apparent reason. It is much more challenging to create stories that a) involve Treknology working as it's supposed to and b) are actually interesting. Off the top of my head, I think Devil's Due in TNG is a good example - they basically realize "wait, we can do all this stuff with science, maybe it's not actually magic."
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Trek fighters should be rear end in a top hat barges like the Goonsquad swarm. "Captain, 45 light shuttles have just dropped out of warp ... Wait, they're all dumping tetrion radiation. Shields and sensors are down."
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Fighters would work if they had cloaking devices so they weren't instantly obliterated. That's kind of how it worked in the age of sail too. Boats were a useful tool in combat but they'd be shot to pieces if they were spotted before they reached their target.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:The design is neat, I only have two beefs with the ship: The Defiant isn't the fastest ship, it can only go Warp 9.5 (holy poo poo writers, a whole tenth of warp? Sure you don't want to bump it up to 9.55 so it doesn't lag too far behind the Enterprise? The loving war will be over by the time the Defiant shows up!). I think the real drawback though was that a Defiant isn't very comfortable (and probably doesn't have the supply capacity) to be aboard for a long exploration mission and it is about as capable of collecting science as a runabout. That said, I think they should have limited it to Warp 9 and had an "O'Brien is away and the station is falling apart again" episode where O'Brien had to go to the Antares Ship Yards* to explain how to jury rig the new-build Defiants to not shake your space-fillings out above Warp 8. I also think it would be interesting to have an episode of a post DS9 show have a captain bitter that he was assigned to a Defiant that now drags around a science module on a cable like a towed-sonar-array and can only go Warp 7 because its now peacetime and Starfleet has a bunch of brand new warships they don't really need and then have the captain's eyes light up when something happens that requires jettisoning the module and using the ship for its intended purpose. *Yes, I had to look that up
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