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So, if all they did was hang around and be "evil," and they rarely played shows or recorded anything, how did they have enough money to live on? Were they funded by someone's parents, or were they living off welfare, or ..? Edit: Is that letter for real? It reads like a terrible parody. "We are totally into METAL. NO OTHER poo poo! It's so many posers who are into rapping and disco and stinky poo poo like that. And we don't!!" ... "I'm happy that you liked the smell of Mayhems sacrifice, but the innocent creature was mean to a sandwich." pookel has a new favorite as of 15:33 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Yeah, pretty much mooching off their parents, and/or on welfare. It's enough to live on, but not much beyond that. And yes, that letter is 100% authentic. I guess you're beginning to see how ridiculous the whole thing is.
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Aug 18, 2016 16:15
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I like black metal but I don't think I could ever hang out with anyone that really likes black metal. It also seems like the branch of metal that has the highest chance of having neo-Nazis in it, so it's something you have to be careful about when checking bands out if you don't want to support those types of people. I usually try to stick with the ones that sing(scream) about trees and stuff like that.
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Aug 18, 2016 17:48
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If I had an ouija board I'd chill with Dead's spirit, he seems like an okay guy. Just really pitiable, honestly. gently caress Euronymous, he'd haunt the poo poo out of you just because he felt like that's what he should do, and he wouldn't even really enjoy it. Detective Thompson posted:I like black metal but I don't think I could ever hang out with anyone that really likes black metal. It also seems like the branch of metal that has the highest chance of having neo-Nazis in it, so it's something you have to be careful about when checking bands out if you don't want to support those types of people. I usually try to stick with the ones that sing(scream) about trees and stuff like that. Try Nile.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:34
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Dead sounds like he was a teenager with some issues he needed to talk to someone about, but he ended up with the wrong crowd.WickedHate posted:Try Nile. Nile are more towards brutal/technical death metal, though.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:58
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KozmoNaut posted:Nile are more towards brutal/technical death metal, though. It all sounds the exact same to me.
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Aug 18, 2016 19:06
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pookel posted:So, if all they did was hang around and be "evil," and they rarely played shows or recorded anything, how did they have enough money to live on? Were they funded by someone's parents, or were they living off welfare, or ..? Most of them had jobs, they just add little of interest to the story. They rehearsed a lot, and wrote letters/traded tapes, building the foundation for what they'd do. They managed to sell 1000 copies of the LP they recorded in '87, and Euronymous started a record label in '90 and opened a record store in '91. They recorded an album in '92-'93, but it wasn't released until 1994 due to ensuing mayhem. pookel posted:Edit: Is that letter for real? It reads like a terrible parody. I don't know, I just found it last night while trying to find a secondary source about the mouse story. It didn't come from a reliable source, but seemed plausible enough.
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WickedHate posted:I just spent a lot of time looking stuff up about this and yeah, Euronymous was a huge prick who only cared about image. Cliche as poo poo too. "I just want to spread EVIL, I worship EVIL, misery and pain is good for it furthers the causes of EVIL!" How the hell could he think this was fooling anyone? It probably had something to do with the murders and suicides, the church burnings, and looting his friend's corpse for souveniers. There's a link embedded in there to an interview with a man whose alias is "Evil" where he confirms that he still has pieces of Dead's brain, skull, and some pieces of lead. WickedHate posted:This is the most black metal name ever. What a bunch of edgelords. Death metal. Don't make the mistake their label did. THEY ARE DEATH.... FUKK YOU (that's the title of their second album) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEI1XOd2jV0
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Zodijackylite posted:Dead was mentally ill. He suffered from the Cotard delusion (that's an unnerving Wikipedia article on its own), believing that he had died as a child in a tragic accident, which he actually survived. Is there any actual medical or psychiatric evidence for this? Google seems to suggest he was posthumously diagnosed with it by a rock journalist. I don't recall ever hearing anything that suggested he was actively delusional.
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Flopstick posted:Is there any actual medical or psychiatric evidence for this? Google seems to suggest he was posthumously diagnosed with it by a rock journalist. I don't recall ever hearing anything that suggested he was actively delusional. My friend has this and it's incredibly interesting to me that it's like, "a thing". I never heard of it outside of them before. Zodijackylite posted:It probably had something to do with the murders and suicides, the church burnings, and looting his friend's corpse for souveniers. There's a link embedded in there to an interview with a man whose alias is "Evil" where he confirms that he still has pieces of Dead's brain, skull, and some pieces of lead. The only thing Euro is confirmed to have did of those is the corpse looting, and that's not so much "evil" as it is "dickish and utterly detatched from reality". Dude just didn't give a poo poo about his poor dead friend. I think he felt like it was the perfect time to emphasis what a cool edgy dude he was, basic decency be damned. He was apparently putting on an act 24/7 and desperate to get his image out there. Major insecurity. His death feels...not deserved, exactly, but fitting somehow. Like the ultimate ironic culmination of everything he did.
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Flopstick posted:Is there any actual medical or psychiatric evidence for this? Google seems to suggest he was posthumously diagnosed with it by a rock journalist. I don't recall ever hearing anything that suggested he was actively delusional. For some reason, I don't think he was seeing a psychologist. Call it a hunch. That's there for the sake of linking a weird wikipedia article in the thread about them.
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WickedHate posted:It all sounds the exact same to me. Nah, black metal is mostly about blurring the guitar notes using tremolo picking, into a continuous stream of sound, vocals with tons of echo and revers to sound spooky and generally a lot blast beat drumming. That covers most old-school BM, then you have later atmospheric BM acts that slow down to a mid-tempo and use keyboard and stuff. But for all BM, the important part is to build an atmosphere of sadness, dark and despair. The vocals are generally wailed or screamed, or in some cases (bands like Inquisition) croaked to sound as demon-like as possible. Brutal death is more sort of vanilla death metal's meaner big brother. Heavier and often palm-muted riffs, more guttural vocals, that sort of thing. Technical death metal focuses on technicality (big surprise!) and is sort of the prog rock of death metal (but it's not progressive death metal, that's a different genre). Plenty of complicated guitar riffs (string-skipping is very commonly used), odd tempos and tempo changes, generally just rather advanced and hard-to-play stuff. It's also generally played really fast, for added complexity. I know most of the things I mention probably sound like irrelevant differences, but they are actually very different genres, metal is complicated like that  At the moment, I have 16 different genres just for metal in my collection, and I could probably split it out to at least twice that.
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Aug 18, 2016 20:25
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Pointless, nitpicking genre distinctions are extremely unnerving reading, I agree, but you should source your quotes
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Aug 18, 2016 20:30
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http://rateyourmusic.com/rgenre/ E: Whatever.
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Deadspin linked this today. The Life and Murder of Stella Walsh, Intersex Olympic Champion. Really good long form article.quote:Gerber, ever the politician, hadn’t addressed the misperception (which prevails to this day) that sex is a binary: male or female, nothing else. He left that task to his deputy, Dr. Lester Adelson, who had a reputation as a brilliant thinker, fluent in aphorisms. Adelson explained that the question of Walsh’s sex was “not black or white.” She wasn’t either a man or a woman, but bits of both. “Nature is infinite in her manifestations,” he said eloquently.
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Hey, just FYI PRI/Texas Public Radio just had a really good special on the UT tower shooting. I know it was many pages ago, but it makes a good companion to that Tx Monthly long form article. Thankfully it's mainly an oral history, don't let the first couple minutes turn you off (it's kinda cheesy faux-this American life), but it gets drat good.
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when i shoot myself i've stipulated in my will that my entire body be sent to lowtax along with a set of wheels and some helicopter blades in case he gets inspired
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Aug 19, 2016 05:19
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WickedHate posted:My friend has this and it's incredibly interesting to me that it's like, "a thing". I never heard of it outside of them before. Your friend has the Cotard delusion? Have you noticed what thread we're in? Come on, details.
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Aug 19, 2016 05:20
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My friend has the Retard Delusion. The delusion is that it's a delusion. It's not a delusion.
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Aug 19, 2016 05:42
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when i was a teenager i used to think i was legitimately mentally disabled and everybody around me was coached to treat me like a reasonably intelligent person and i received falsified high marks at school as some sort of elaborate social experiment
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Aug 19, 2016 06:04
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pookel posted:Your friend has the Cotard delusion? Have you noticed what thread we're in? Come on, details. It's not really an interesting tale. They believe themselves to have already died and that's basically that. It's somewhat related to their spiritual beliefs and don't think their decomposing or anything, but they do see themselves as a kind of undead. I also dated someone who believed they were literally immortal and none of the self destructive acts they did would ever kill them. So far they're still alive, so maybe their on to something.
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Avshalom posted:when i was a teenager i used to think i was legitimately mentally disabled and everybody around me was coached to treat me like a reasonably intelligent person and i received falsified high marks at school as some sort of elaborate social experiment Did you stop thinking this because someone told you the truth?
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Aug 19, 2016 06:55
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Nuebot posted:Did you stop thinking this because someone told you the truth?
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Avshalom posted:i realised all teenagers are legitimately mentally disabled and everybody around them is coached to treat them like intelligent people I feel like it's pretty common for teenagers to go through a kind of solipsistic fantasy phase like this involving some kind of conspiracy. I think I thought I was being spied on when I was like 12.
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The brain simply isn't done(ish) developing until, generally, sometime in one's twenties, and the hormonal changes lead to the hilarity of adolescence we all know and abhor. Common well-studied teenager delusions include perceived invulnerability and persecution complexes/paranoia; virtually everyone experiences those two to some degree. So, yes, basically.
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Stuff like that is even more fun when you've got anxiety or ADHD on top of all the hormonal changes, I dealt with a bit of that growing up with family members who didn't know how to handle a kid with ADHD. To top it off my grandma on my mom's side hated my biological dad for being an alcoholic scumbag, and when I was born she hated me by association and I got the brunt of her bullshit for years growing up. I never took any prescriptions for it and eventually sort of "grew out" of the symptoms but still deal with anxiety sometimes, and spent some time in therapy coming to terms with everything because I was constantly treated like I was stupid or acting out for attention. Wasn't until my mom called grandma on her bullshit and threatened to stop bringing her kids around that she finally stopped treating me differently, but by then I was already 13-14 and had been dealing with her poo poo for half my life.
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WickedHate posted:It's not really an interesting tale. They believe themselves to have already died and that's basically that. It's somewhat related to their spiritual beliefs and don't think their decomposing or anything, but they do see themselves as a kind of undead. Yeah, I also have the persistent feeling I don't exist/am not a real person but it's honestly not that interesting. It just kinda sucks and I can get obsessed with it if I'm depressed.
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KozmoNaut posted:He did fool a lot of impressionable teenagers, mostly.
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Aug 19, 2016 15:50
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GWBBQ posted:I particularly like the fact that Varg designed his own tabletop RPG because he felt that D&D suffered significantly from not including racism as a game mechanic. There's always FATAL.
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What I find confusing, if not exactly unnerving, is that Varg came out of prison looking like a lumberjack.
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I found this to be an interesting and disturbing read about Munchausen syndrome by proxy. Dee Dee Wanted Her Daughter To Be Sick, Gypsy Wanted Her Mom To Be Murdered
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pookel posted:What I find confusing, if not exactly unnerving, is that Varg came out of prison looking like a lumberjack. Guess he was trying to live up to his ideal master race physique or something. I saw some prison interviews with him once where he'd randomly mutter poo poo in rudimentary Russian. loving goober.
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Sexy Randal posted:I found this to be an interesting and disturbing read about Munchausen syndrome by proxy. yeah. that was depressing read and i would consider that justifiable homicide. in a more liberal state it might have been. I just wonder what all those meds did to her body. hope she lives a better life after prison
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pookel posted:What I find confusing, if not exactly unnerving, is that Varg came out of prison looking like a lumberjack. Lots of men do. Probably because there's poo poo all to do in prison except exercise, especially the ones that don't use equipment. Serial convict Charles Salvador (formerly Bronson) was doing 2000 push ups every day into his mid-50s and kept getting into trouble for bending the bars of his cell.
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Jedit posted:Lots of men do. Probably because there's poo poo all to do in prison except exercise, especially the ones that don't use equipment. Serial convict Charles Salvador (formerly Bronson) was doing 2000 push ups every day into his mid-50s and kept getting into trouble for bending the bars of his cell.  This is about what I'd expect the most violent guy in Britain to look like.
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Jedit posted:Lots of men do. Probably because there's poo poo all to do in prison except exercise, especially the ones that don't use equipment. Serial convict Charles Salvador (formerly Bronson) was doing 2000 push ups every day into his mid-50s and kept getting into trouble for bending the bars of his cell. ETA: I was wrong, it's camo, not plaid. Still looks like a good ol' boy who hangs out in the woods with his buddies and drinks Coors. 
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Alright, I just read the worst thing ever. An account of the Warsaw Uprising by a Wehrmacht solider. http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/schenk.htm quote:“In Warsaw I partook in 19 fights on knives and bayonets. In cellars. Cellars were a second Warsaw. When you fight in a cellar, it's quiet, you don't see anything. I was faster. I killed that Pole. Warsaw – my most terrible experiences.
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Nckdictator posted:Alright, I just read the worst thing ever. An account of the Warsaw Uprising by a Wehrmacht solider. Christ. That's going to haunt my dreams. I can't imagine how anyone could live that and stay sane. I think I'm going to sit and hug my dog for a while.
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Jedit posted:Lots of men do. Probably because there's poo poo all to do in prison except exercise, especially the ones that don't use equipment. Serial convict Charles Salvador (formerly Bronson) was doing 2000 push ups every day into his mid-50s and kept getting into trouble for bending the bars of his cell. If you haven't seen the movie where Tom Hardy plays Bronson, do it. Story behind this guy, Michael Peterson, is that he's supposedly the most violent criminal in England. He started as a petty criminal in Cheshire and received his first prison setence in 1974 when he was 22. He got 7 years for robbing a post office; he stole 26.18 pounds. His response to imprisonment was constant violence. He attacked prisoners, he attacked guards, he attacked the physical substance of the prison itself. He spent a lot of time in solitary confinement. He got moved around from prison to prison, and eventually the prison system got so sick of dealing with him that he was instead committed to a high-security mental hospital. He didn't like being constantly drugged so he attempted to prove his sanity by the simple expedient of trying to strangle a guy who'd raped and murdered a child. They moved him to another mental institution, where he started a one-man riot and caused L250,000 of damage to the facility by climing onto the roof and ripping it apart. Eventually the mental health system got so sick of dealing with him that it declared him sane and he was sent back into the general prison population. He was eventually released in 1987, when he took up bare-knuckle boxing. Apparently he was once slated to fight Lenny Maclean (the guy who played Barry the Baptist in Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, and a real-life bare-knuckle boxer of fearsome reputation). He adopted "Charles Bronson" as his fighting name after his agent rejected his first choice of Charlton Heston. This period of freedom (during which he supposedly once fought a dog) ended after 69 days, because he robbed a jewelry store to obtain an engagement ring for his girlfriend, who wound up testifying for the prosecution. He eventually got into the prison art scene, he's won awards for him poems and drawings, but this isn't a prison movie where the misunderstood bad guy settles down and expresses the beauty within; in 1999 he took his civilian art instructor hostage for 44 hours following a perceived slight, during which he actually managed to knock himself unconscious while ripping a washing machine out of the wall. He's been in solitary confinement for a total of *30 years*. He was friends with the Kray twins in prison and *they* found him scary. Bronson is a loose recounting of this guy's life. The title role is Tom Hardy's and he is simply completely and viscerally amazing in it. He's 100% convincing at being loving terrifying. Head shaved bald except for an old-tyme handlebar moustache, he exudes tension and menace. You distinctly get the sense that the guy has no limits, at any given time he could just decide "I think I want to beat this person to death with my bare hands" and do it. His modus operandi is to take a hostage, take off all his clothes, and grease himself down with butter stolen from the cafeteria in preparation for the all-out fight with the guards when they show up to extricate the hostage. At one point, he takes a prison librarian hostage and demands to talk to the warden and present his demands. The warden asks "What do you want?" Bronson's taken completely aback, he has no idea what to ask for, taking the hostage was an act of pure reflex. "What have you got?" The story's told in a frame that consists of Hardy either made up like a vaudeville act and playing on a stage to an appreciative crowd or sitting down and talking to the camera in the style of every prison interview. This is pretty much a perfectly fitting device. The movie opens with him, greased up, naked, in a cage, awaiting the onrush of guards he knows is coming. The movie ends with him with the poo poo beaten out of him, naked and bloody and groaning, in another, much smaller coffin-sized cage. The parallels with A Clockwork Orange are numerous and obvious. This is a very good film, and Tom Hardy does a staggering job. Phanatic has a new favorite as of 03:20 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Zodijackylite posted:
That's one heck of an escalation from the ol' showerhead.
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