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The Rangers apparently also asked Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Scott Gomez, Marian Gaborik, Michael Rozsival, and Wade Redden to talk with Vesey. Not sure what they could have said to convince him.
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Aug 20, 2016 15:18
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whatis posted:its too bad vesey went to the rangers instead of a team with a future no teams have a future. hockey, like life, is meaningless.
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Aug 20, 2016 15:31
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The Rangers apparently also asked Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Scott Gomez, Marian Gaborik, Michael Rozsival, and Wade Redden to talk with Vesey. "Some of us got bad contracts but some of us got good contracts, and New York is good and they're as close as you can get to a lock for a playoff berth."
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Aug 20, 2016 15:58
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gently caress the rangers
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Aug 20, 2016 16:04
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:The Rangers apparently also asked Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Scott Gomez, Marian Gaborik, Michael Rozsival, and Wade Redden to talk with Vesey. it's weird as hell that they called up a dude who left the team 4 years ago and a dude who left the team 7 years ago, and asked them to help sway a free agent.
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Aug 20, 2016 16:05
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Gio posted:no teams have a future. hockey, like life, is meaningless. dystopia is a future
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Aug 20, 2016 16:22
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that picture of ronald reagan, the first george bush, and the rest of the old republicans laughing really hard, except its marc staal, dan girardi, scott gomez, and a bunch of other people the new york rangers overpaid to be bad at hockey
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Aug 20, 2016 16:23
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Jovial Cow posted:Kreider-Stepan-Nash that is a p cool forward group, assuming we get good Nash again, and not the piece of poo poo we had last season that d tho
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Aug 20, 2016 16:28
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permission to refer to the rangers as team middle-6 forward from now on
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Aug 20, 2016 16:44
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RC Cola posted:gently caress the rangers  but also the Hawks too.
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Aug 20, 2016 16:46
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Emetic Hustler posted:Same. I have no clue about the kid other than he did have a good season in college hockey and he is supposedly good at hockey. But when did one of these college free agents who go the UFA route turn out to be as good as advertised? This hype must be due to it being August, the worst hockey month. Kevin Hayes did the same thing with the Rangers two years ago and has worked out well. Aye Doc posted:it's weird as hell that they called up a dude who left the team 4 years ago and a dude who left the team 7 years ago, and asked them to help sway a free agent. At least in Redden's case the Rangers were reeaaaally good to him financially and ofherwise (getting him into coaching) once they decided he wasn't an NHLer anymore. I agree though. You think they would have guys like Hayes and maybe Zucc make the case that he will get playing time, which is probably the more important factor to his long term financial interests. Jordan7hm fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Aug 20, 2016 17:24
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Is DeKeyser the last true college UFA (ie a guy who didn't dick around the team he was drafted by to reach UFA but actually went undrafted)?
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Aug 20, 2016 17:34
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Nah, a dozen of those guys get signed every year. Most just don't make it out of the AHL.
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Aug 20, 2016 17:39
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Mike_V posted:Is DeKeyser the last true college UFA (ie a guy who didn't dick around the team he was drafted by to reach UFA but actually went undrafted)? No, there are guys signed every year out of college who went undrafted. Off the top of my head the big one last year was the goalie Matt O'Connor, who went to the Sens.
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Aug 20, 2016 17:40
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Jordan7hm posted:At least in Redden's case the Rangers were reeaaaally good to him financially and ofherwise (getting him into coaching) once they decided he wasn't an NHLer anymore. i didn't even see redden's name the first time i read that. gomez is at least unaffiliated right now, and redden is a bit of a special case like you said, but gaborik seems like the really hosed up one to me. asking another team's player to recruit for your team is way out there
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Aug 20, 2016 17:41
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Yall are right. I meant to say the last undrafted college UFA of any significance
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Aug 20, 2016 17:41
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Not really. That year had Dekayser, Sustr and Hammond. 2014 had nobody. 2015 had some buzz around O'Connor as I mentioned, and also Rodriguez (but that's because he was playing with Eichel, his AHL numbers this year were not impressive). They aren't at the same level. Last year also had Austin Czarnik. He might be a player, he put up a lot of points in the AHL in his rookie pro season, but he's a real small dude. Depends how Boston sees him and what kind of chances he gets.
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Aug 20, 2016 18:03
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Aye Doc posted:i didn't even see redden's name the first time i read that. gomez is at least unaffiliated right now, and redden is a bit of a special case like you said, but gaborik seems like the really hosed up one to me. asking another team's player to recruit for your team is way out there That wasn't true. I just listed a bunch of guys the Rangers gave giant contracts to (and then turned against)
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Aug 20, 2016 18:06
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:That wasn't true. I just listed a bunch of guys the Rangers gave giant contracts to (and then turned against) you need to be careful about telling jokes that are eerily close to something that glen sather would actually do
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Aug 20, 2016 18:08
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Aye Doc posted:i didn't even see redden's name the first time i read that. gomez is at least unaffiliated right now, and redden is a bit of a special case like you said, but gaborik seems like the really hosed up one to me. asking another team's player to recruit for your team is way out there I'm pretty sure that list was joke implicating they all got ridiculous albatross contracts so maybe Vesey will get one too E: Beaten
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Aug 20, 2016 18:09
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CBJSprague24 posted:I never thought of hockey teams having promotional videos to try to recruit players. Now I want to see them. In the NBA some of the promotional material that teams used for FA leaked at various points.
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Aug 20, 2016 18:22
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this college ufa thing got me looking at some recent ones and how did tyler johnson have only 38 points last season
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Aug 20, 2016 18:32
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Vicas posted:i hope he's bad, and gets traded to the Flyers for andrew macdonald and then is good gently caress, I don't care if he sucks, I'd still trade Andrew MacDonald for him.
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Aug 20, 2016 18:32
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Infidel Castro posted:gently caress, I don't care if he sucks, I'd still trade Andrew MacDonald for him. It's August, let me shoot for the moon
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Aug 20, 2016 18:33
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Pornographic Memory posted:this college ufa thing got me looking at some recent ones and how did tyler johnson have only 38 points last season injuries + unlucky shooting percentage
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Aug 20, 2016 18:41
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Jordan7hm posted:Not really. That year had Dekayser, Sustr and Hammond. 2014 had nobody. 2015 had some buzz around O'Connor as I mentioned, and also Rodriguez (but that's because he was playing with Eichel, his AHL numbers this year were not impressive). They aren't at the same level. Chris Tanev is probably the best of the bunch since the lockout and he was signed in 2010, and he came with essentially no fanfare. Torey Krug in 2012 is up there too. It's been a pretty underwhelming group since though. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Aug 20, 2016 18:43
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I imagine at this point, scouting is competent enough that it'd be really hard for a kid to make it through college and go undrafted if he had a chance of sniffing the NHL.
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Aug 20, 2016 19:04
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Mike_V posted:I imagine at this point, scouting is competent enough that it'd be really hard for a kid to make it through college and go undrafted if he had a chance of sniffing the NHL. There are a fair number of undrafted NHLers, some of whom went through college. I'd also like to dispute your statement that "scouting is competent" and hope that someone has that bit saved where they go "he's a great player, but does he fit our culture?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_undrafted_NHL_players_with_100_games_played
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Aug 20, 2016 19:08
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Zodijackylite posted:There are a fair number of undrafted NHLers, some of whom went through college. I'd also like to dispute your statement that "scouting is competent" and hope that someone has that bit saved where they go "he's a great player, but does he fit our culture?" 
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Aug 20, 2016 19:14
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Of course certain teams' scouting departments are exempt.
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Aug 20, 2016 19:19
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One problem with the scouting thing is that guys are often put in positions to succeed / not succeed based on where they get picked or signed from. I'm pretty sure Da Costa would be an NHLer right now if he had been a second round pick, because he had NHL talent and his KHL numbers bear that out.
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Aug 20, 2016 19:19
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Are there any good articles about teams' Pro Scouting staffs? You hear a lot about amateur scouts and stuff, but I don't recall seeing a ton on pro scouts. The Blues amateur scouting staff is pretty great (I think), but their pro scouts are godawful based on their valuations of free agents and trade targets. I assume the GM has way more input into pro scouting than amateur, but you don't hear a lot about auxiliary guys.
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Aug 20, 2016 19:26
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Dammit, Dennis Bonvie played *92* NHL games. Those godawful Penguins teams couldn't have fit him in 8 more times? BTW he's a scout now with the Bruins, and has a Cup ring from being a scout for the Blackhawks in 2010 
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Aug 20, 2016 19:32
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ElwoodCuse posted:Dammit, Dennis Bonvie played *92* NHL games. Those godawful Penguins teams couldn't have fit him in 8 more times? He was a blast to watch in the AHL
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Aug 20, 2016 22:19
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Zodijackylite posted:There are a fair number of undrafted NHLers, some of whom went through college. I'd also like to dispute your statement that "scouting is competent" and hope that someone has that bit saved where they go "he's a great player, but does he fit our culture?" Huh, forgot about Belfour.
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Aug 21, 2016 01:07
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Been backpacking the past week, was Vesey signing with the Rangers a surprise to anyone?
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Aug 21, 2016 02:25
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Aye Doc posted:you need to be careful about telling jokes that are eerily close to something that glen sather would actually do you need to be careful about not understanding obvious jokes, imo
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Aug 21, 2016 04:38
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The Rangers actually do have a use for another middle sixish forward, especially if it helps them move Nash for defensive help.
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Aug 21, 2016 05:09
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Levitate posted:The Rangers actually do have a use for another middle sixish forward, especially if it helps them move Nash for defensive help. I remember thinking maybe the Flyers could fix their declining defense through trades
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Aug 21, 2016 05:58
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Vicas posted:I remember thinking maybe the Flyers could fix their declining defense through trades I mean what else are the Rangers going to do? They need to move out some lovely contracts and while they have some decent prospects on D, they're all left handers. Even a solid but unspectacular puck moving guy on the left would be a big benefit if they could ditch Girardi or at least force him to 3rd pairing minutes. Just drafting guys isn't going to make a difference in any appreciable amount of time
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