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Zore posted:What? ORAS has some of the shittiest early selection of any game in the series, especially when we just came off X/Y which is literally objectively the best. Especially since they locked some stuff you used to be able to get early in R/S/E until later! I don't like a lot of choice. It's overwhelming and leads to a lack of unity or logical consistency amongst a regional dex's Pokemon. Regional dexes are best when they have 200 - 300 Pokemon, like RSE and Platinum. HGSS is decent too if you consider it as a whole, with the Elite Four rematch as your true "final challenge" (which seems to be the case in the remakes). It's actually really cool going to a new region and having another 8 gyms to train new team members in. Pokemon postgames are often so short there's no way to have a new Pokemon on your team unless you catch them at a high level or grab the Lucky Egg. quote:So long story short, that was the lowest level I've ever beaten the Gen 1 Pokemon League. Barely had any guys faint, even. My Slowbro ended up the highest level at the end (46), and really could have solo'd the whole thing if I'd let him. But that's boring, so I didn't do that. It was hilarious watching Lance's Dragonite flail ineffectually with Barrier while my Venusaur's Leech Seed and Toxic combo just made his health... disappear. Like, he used a Hyper Potion and his Dragonite was dead the very next turn. Hilarious! The Golden Gael fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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Zore posted:It looks like Sun/Moon might actually grant your wish. X/Y requires surf for part of victory road, too, And it has a lot of boulder puzzles. Otherwise, HMs are only for finding side areas and getting TMs.
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Aug 21, 2016 16:03
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korusan posted:It's actually really cool going to a new region and having another 8 gyms to train new team members in. Too bad the only game that had a chance to do this failed miserably by not giving you a single good source for exp. Gen 2 is a mess. Also I don't remember BW ever needing Surf, but my memories might be wrong there. You do have one forced use of Cut after the first Gym, but afterwards I don't think you need any HMs. Then again, I might've forgotten Surf simply because I don't think I've ever gone a game without a core member of my team with Surf.
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Aug 21, 2016 16:11
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Team Flare was a good team.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Too bad the only game that had a chance to do this failed miserably by not giving you a single good source for exp. Gen 2 is a mess. I think HGSS is actually worse for HMs than ORAS, by the by. Backtracking to Johto for any reason basically demands Fly, there's a few places in Kanto that still require Rock Smash and Cut, and you can't get past Dragon's Den without both Surf and Whirlpool (also needed for Whirl Islands on Silver, along with Strength). If you want to do Rock Tunnel you can forget that if you don't have Flash anymore. ORAS at least cut out any need for Flash and was polite enough to give you what amounts to warp portals to plot-relevant locations (thus eliminating the need for Fly)
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Blaze Dragon posted:Too bad the only game that had a chance to do this failed miserably by not giving you a single good source for exp. Gen 2 is a mess. Its literally 3 tiles of water blocking off Victory Road. It was actually super annoying my first run because I wasn't using anything that learned surf so I was down 1 party member for Victory Road. Too many cool bugs and fossils. quote:I don't like a lot of choice. It's overwhelming and leads to a lack of unity or logical consistency amongst a regional dex's Pokemon. Regional dexes are best when they have 200 - 300 Pokemon, like RSE and Platinum. HGSS is decent too if you consider it as a whole, with the Elite Four rematch as your true "final challenge" (which seems to be the case in the remakes). It's actually really cool going to a new region and having another 8 gyms to train new team members in. Pokemon postgames are often so short there's no way to have a new Pokemon on your team unless you catch them at a high level or grab the Lucky Egg. You can have a fairly small regional dex and still have a better selection of early pokes than B/W or ORAS. R/B/Y or HG/SS is a great example, smaller dex than either of those but the early areas are bursting with variety in comparison to the pared down options in those two. Also Gen 1, 2 and 4 had the nice thing where the world opened up a ton after a few badges so you could do things like swing around and duck into the Great Marsh to get pokemon like Crogunk or Carnivine before the fourth gym etc. Gens 3/5/6 really lack that because they're super railroaded, and in Gen 3/5's case they don't even mix up the encounters that much. Zore fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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HGSS was a lot of fun doing a run with a team of level one guys I traded over. The extra exp made it so I didn't have to grind at all, and seeing the progression of my team with the photo guy made the journey that much more special. Probably my favorite experience playing Pokemon.
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Team Rocket is probably my favorite evil team. Giovanni was a cool villain who didn't have some moment of realization or a heel face turn. He was confident in his beliefs until the end, and I really like the way HGSS expanded on his story. I might be mis-remembering some of this, though. The original Team Plasma and Team Galactic were probably the closest the teams got to being that good, I think.
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i feel like there's a non-zero percent chance of the protag in sun/moon befriending team skull after a big misunderstanding and working with them to save the islands.
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Vernatio posted:Team Rocket is probably my favorite evil team. Giovanni was a cool villain who didn't have some moment of realization or a heel face turn. He was confident in his beliefs until the end, and I really like the way HGSS expanded on his story. I might be mis-remembering some of this, though. Team Rocket was a lovely mafia that could barely hold down control of a handful of buildings before a ten year old rolled up and smashed their entire criminal network in half and then they spend years being even shittier and crying that I'm more willing to forgive the other teams for losing since they're usually dealing with some Magic/Super Science/Ancient God poo poo but team Rocket hosed up at the least ambitious/easiest goal. It's embarrassing. ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Team Rocket was a lovely mafia that could barely hold down control of a handful of buildings before a ten year old rolled up and smashed their entire croiminal network in half and then they spend years being even shittier and crying that They're even more pathetic in G/S/C where their evil plans all lead up to... taking over a radio tower and begging for Giovanni to come back. That is their whole plan.
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Zore posted:Yeah, surf's a good move (though Scald is slightly preferred over it in online now) I picked oshawott as a starter in gen 5 but decided to box it after I evolved seismi toad, and then i tried to teach it waterfall and got really confused when it wasn't compatible.
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If you want an evil team that is somewhat competent, actually gets most of their plan finished, AND has a villain that doesn't realize he was an asshoole/face turns Team Plamsa is better than Team Rocket at literally every category. Down to the Boss because Ghetis is still a huge rear end in a top hat and will never back down from being the biggest scumbag while Giovanni does do a bit of a face turn since he goes into self imposed exile and seemingly never returns after his defeat.
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Die Laughing posted:HGSS was a lot of fun doing a run with a team of level one guys I traded over. The extra exp made it so I didn't have to grind at all, and seeing the progression of my team with the photo guy made the journey that much more special. Probably my favorite experience playing Pokemon. The photographer was very cool. I wish your Pokemon team showed up in your photos in X/Y as well. I liked dressing myself as Team Rocket and putting my Houndour in front to complete the disguise. I miss following Pokemon.
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Team Plasma were probably the best overall but I never understood why they had the whole monarchy thing and such a huge entourage of characters that didn't really do anything.
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After reading this you will realize Giovanni's name is a pun based around the prefix "geo" and his usage of ground type pokemons
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Zore posted:They're even more pathetic in G/S/C where their evil plans all lead up to... yeah it was great, i love them
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I guess Team Rocket was kind of lame if you look at it like that, yeah. I kind of wrote off the losing to a ten year old as it being a kid's game, but you're right, the other teams were dealing with higher stakes than just occupying buildings.
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I think it is worse to have these lofty tremendous goals and enormous powerful organizations beat by a 10 year old than a local mafia with more grounded goals beat by a 10 year old but that's just me
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Calaveron posted:I think it is worse to have these lofty tremendous goals and enormous powerful organizations beat by a 10 year old than a local mafia with more grounded goals beat by a 10 year old but that's just me To be fair, and this isn't an exaggeration, Team Galactic gets closer to remaking reality than Team Rocket gets to having Giovanni come back. And Plasma actually manages to cause a major ecological crisis in Unova. Also Lysandre manages to become immortal and then get buried under 300 tons of rocks for eternity.
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Vernatio posted:I guess Team Rocket was kind of lame if you look at it like that, yeah. I kind of wrote off the losing to a ten year old as it being a kid's game, but you're right, the other teams were dealing with higher stakes than just occupying buildings. Team Plasma is using a displaced Monarchy and the local Legends about the reincarnation of heroes and a Boy raised by pokemon to (somewhat successfully) sway the mind of the people to release their pokemon (So the Team Plasma leaders are the only ones with teams) while also completely destroying any possible opposition by dismantling the pokemon league which they succeed at by razing the Elite Four and then raising a castle upon the wreckage. Team Plasma is the best.
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Johnny Joestar posted:i feel like there's a non-zero percent chance of the protag in sun/moon befriending team skull after a big misunderstanding and working with them to save the islands. if it means I can buy/be given their outfit, then I'm completely down with this. Nah, gently caress that, I wanna be friends with Team Skull whether I can dress up as them or not. I just really want their clothes
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I went back to White 2 this weekend to pick up things I was missing for my dex, and it really reminded me how much more that game had compared to XY / ORAS lategame. I'm running into level 70 Pokemon, there are things like Steelix and Kingdra in certain areas if you're lucky. I hope Sun and Moon has a hefty lategame, because that was one of my biggest disappointments from XY. Delta Episode was cool but took me all of fifteen minutes, and after that you're treated to the same fare as XY in the form of the Battle Resort.
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Indigo Cephalopods posted:if it means I can buy/be given their outfit, then I'm completely down with this. with the way they're being presented, as kind of a misfit gang of people who couldn't cut it, i really get the feeling that they're going to come off as entirely bad at first but over time you all actively work together to save the islands. because, you know, without the islands team skull doesn't exactly have a home and it's more important to preserve that than to just gently caress around and block off roads or whatever hoodlum poo poo they're going to be doing.
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Indigo Cephalopods posted:if it means I can buy/be given their outfit, then I'm completely down with this. this is what i said about flare the design of the bad guys has def improved over the years, team rocket was just like black spandex and a whip like i think plasma's medieval design was the first actually good bad guy design now that i think about it
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mandatory lesbian posted:this is what i said about flare Also the only good badguy design. Until Skull anyways.
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flare's clothes were good, bitch
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mandatory lesbian posted:flare's clothes were good, bitch no.
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Team Flare's clothes are alright. I like the female Admins and Lysandre's outfits. The grunts have terrible fuckin hair though.
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Plasma is my favorite team because I never get tired of the grunts screaming PLAAAAASMAAAAAAA everytime you kick their rear end. Its also fun to laugh at N because he's a tremendous loser. Johnny Joestar posted:with the way they're being presented, as kind of a misfit gang of people who couldn't cut it, i really get the feeling that they're going to come off as entirely bad at first but over time you all actively work together to save the islands. because, you know, without the islands team skull doesn't exactly have a home and it's more important to preserve that than to just gently caress around and block off roads or whatever hoodlum poo poo they're going to be doing. Alternatively Guzma will try to nuke all the islands. Could go either way.
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Internet Kraken posted:Plasma is my favorite team because I never get tired of the grunts screaming PLAAAAASMAAAAAAA everytime you kick their rear end. He's not going to nuke the islands. Bad guy goals have gone way the gently caress beyond that at this point. Remember: Galactic wanted to remake reality, Plasma took over the Pokemon Storage system and almost ruled the world then almost killed everyone with Kyurem and Lysandre tried to carry out large scale genocide while granting himself immortality. Guzma's going to nuke the planet.
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team rocket is the best because they're just evil guys running casinos and taking over radio towers. also they have slick uniforms which you can wear
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I'm going off the deep end because I think I'm going to buy heart gold, omega Ruby, and have my friend in Seattle mail me back my finished Pokemon Diamond. I already bought White 2. I'm almost to a gen 1 living Dex. This poo poo all going in the bank. Gen 1 living Dex is good because then I can skip any gen 1 mons I run into except new evolutions. Then I will have played all six generations. Don't know if it's possible to do this by November.
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oddium posted:team rocket is the best because they're just evil guys running casinos and taking over radio towers. also they have slick uniforms which you can wear They take over radio towers for the most pathetic reason tho. like, begging for a dude who abandoned your asses years ago to come back is what a little kid does. Not the mafia.
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Another problem with oras is first area you run into wingulls and zigzagoons and few others. Later areas you just run into their evolved forms. It would have been much better to have all the hidden pokemon that appear after groundon/kyogre are capture as normal encounters up to that point and add even more as hidden pokemon after k/g.
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mandatory lesbian posted:this is what i said about flare They brought on a new character designer during development of black and white and that new artist designed every character in BW1 and all the subsequent games except for the BW1 player characters (can't remember the names but started with H). You can tell because everyone has a wider variety of facial expressions and tighter pants than they did before.
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Geostomp posted:I have no idea why they ever tried to make someone murdering everyone poor for no reason at all sympathetic. If there had been a Z, I assume they might have tried something more, but succeeding in salvaging Team Flare is an uphill battle at best. Lysandre: I'm so sad that I'm about to murder 90% of the population. Shauna: So are you going to stop trying to murder people? Lysandre: No, I'm not that sad.
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Zore posted:They take over radio towers for the most pathetic reason tho. hmm no it's cool that they have a much more personal plot point than "destroy". it actually feels like they're part of kanto/johto instead of "this team wants the box legendary for whatever. death probably."
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oddium posted:hmm no it's cool that they have a much more personal plot point than "destroy". it actually feels like they're part of kanto/johto instead of "this team wants the box legendary for whatever. death probably." don't you know, destroying the galaxy and stuff is super edgy and good, simple villains with simple motivations aren't good for a children's videogame series
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:They brought on a new character designer during development of black and white and that new artist designed every character in BW1 and all the subsequent games except for the BW1 player characters (can't remember the names but started with H). You can tell because everyone has a wider variety of facial expressions and tighter pants than they did before. hilda and hilbert
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