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Alright, I'll bite with the whole Sam Bee/Bernie discussion. I voted for Bernie and I'm voting for Hillary in the general. Sam Bee was absolutely right to go after Bernie's worst supporters and call Bernie out when he apparently fell short of denouncing their behavior. What I found off-putting was not her treatment of that in particular. It was instead the feeling that we've only seen the tip of the iceberg of her feeling towards The Left. It's easy to get the impression she believed the millennials and the old-timey leftists who gravitated towards Sanders as people who needed to be controlled rather than empowered. She had that one bit where she interviewed Bernie Sanders supporters (before Hillary locked up the nomination) where you get the strong vibe she saw them as naive and idealistic. Like I got paternalistic vibes from how she treated them. Like she didn't hate them; but genuinely believed they lacked perspective as if they were perpetual freshmen poli-sci majors. And she got tired of people whining about Wall Street and all that. And despite her rather nuanced treatments of the history of the NRA, the pro-life movement, and the conservative movement as a whole; she didn't give a similar interrogation of the Democratic Party in the last few decades. Like, if all you knew about politics was what you saw on her show, you'd had no idea that the Democratic Party pivoted rightward since the 70s, etc. (But she did talk about superdelegates in the context of history of the conventions. Her take was that they didn't matter.) Like, I'm not sure what she has to say to left-leaning millennials who believe they have less economic mobility than their parents. I don't think she hates them; but at the peak of Bernie vs. Hillary, I think she saw them as an inconvenience. "No catharsis for you!" Obviously, she wasn't the only person in comedy or the media who had this viewpoint; but it was quite pronounced when compared to her late night colleagues. I say this as someone who will likes Sam Bee. Full Frontal is her best work yet. I'll keep defending her. Her show did briefly have a sympathetic portrayal of Seattle socialist Kshama Sawant, after all. Echo Chamber fucked around with this message at 23:53 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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I think part of her approach was knowing that Hillary would (and did) get the nomination so she gave Hil-dawg her support, because obviously she's not a fan of Trump. If Bernie received the nomination I think she would've supported him whole-heartedly as well. She just went full "get over it Bernie Bros" mode out of realism.
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Echo Chamber posted:Alright, I'll bite with the whole Sam Bee/Bernie discussion. I voted for Bernie and I'm voting for Hillary in the general. Sam Bee was absolutely right to go after Bernie's worst supporters and call Bernie out when he apparently fell short of denouncing their behavior. This is the nail to the head when regarding most "pro-hillary" supporters. SlothfulCobra posted:I only ever saw the people on my social media yelling that of course you have to go Hillary because that's the only "electable" option. This is true. People are living more and more in a bubble. People watch the same shows, go to the same sites, join the same groups. The internet has in some ways made our world smaller not bigger.
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From all the ruckus around Bernie, I really dp get a little worried that the Dems are headed towards the same sort of fragmentation that the Republicans have been suffering from since W. It really doesn't help that I keep on waiting for some kind of marketing to sell me on her that just never comes. I guess that's the reality of not living in a swing state, nobody cares about courting your opinion, and Trump absolutely dominates the entire news cycle. I mean, sure, she's not Trump, but that's a virtue that 299,999,998 other people in this country share.
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Echo Chamber posted:Alright, I'll bite with the whole Sam Bee/Bernie discussion. I voted for Bernie and I'm voting for Hillary in the general. Sam Bee was absolutely right to go after Bernie's worst supporters and call Bernie out when he apparently fell short of denouncing their behavior. Sam's stuff generally struck me as an instance of the generational divide that essentially defined the primary asserting itself. Sam's a good person and I like her but it kind of can't be forgotten that she's a middle-aged, affluent white woman whose interests are not the same as people ~20 years her junior - feminists included, and perhaps feminists especially. She definitely seems to ascribe to the "women have to support each other no matter what" line of thought. Truthfully, she gave me similar vibes as Gloria Steinem in her dismissive attitude towards younger voters, though I guess at the very least she didn't go so far as to paint young women as clueless, un-involved chumps who only supported Bernie instead of Hillary because that's where the dicks they craved were. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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I just wanted to chime back in to say for the better part of all that, I agree with you guys. Personally, like I've said, I think Bee just seems stiff in her delivery, and she's on a garbage network. Half the time I catch Oliver, he's on a station I was already watching at the time. Wasn't he on after Game of Thrones or something? I mean, come on, gently caress, I cant smoke enough weed to appreciate American Dad reruns, even when I did smoke weed.
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Solvent posted:Billary what did you do there is this a character you're doing
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Sivart13 posted:what is this Looking at my keyboard, he possibly did a typo.
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Oh Snapple! posted:Looking at my keyboard, he possibly did a typo. I'm going to unironically say that was intentional. "Billary" Clinton will be the next President of the United States. 
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Atomizer posted:I'm going to unironically say that was intentional. "Billary" Clinton will be the next President of the United States.  I'm too late to toxx for the obvious. But that's a good call all round Atom. I also assume that there will be a new right wing media network with the Trump brand, soon after the election is over.
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Trump News: The Fairest, Balancedest, with the biggest, best, most beautiful hands.
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So no flooding or fires last week?  Disappointed. Charter schools could have waited.
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What could he have said about the fires or floods that would have been investigative in nature? That last segment was inspired.
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Sam Bee is better than Oliver in the sense that she doesn't laugh at her own jokes.
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bull3964 posted:What could he have said about the fires or floods that would have been investigative in nature? I agree that that last segment was epic. Also, Will Arnett was like the perfect choice for the voiceover, holy poo poo. I'm a bit bummed now though since he's on vacay for a month. Between that and TNS getting cancelled, I'm pretty sad.
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Mr Interweb posted:Sam Bee is better than Oliver in the sense that she doesn't laugh at her own jokes.
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Oben posted:Even Samantha Bee doesn't find Samantha Bee funny. 
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punk rebel ecks posted:People actually enjoyed The Nightly Show? I think some people just like having centrist liberals echo their thoughts back at them and aren't entirely invested in a good show, which Jon's TDS was, the Report was, LWT is.
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punk rebel ecks posted:People actually enjoyed The Nightly Show? I keep seeing people (in the media) saying that it was important and innovative and unique and super cool that there was a show focused on black issues* and blah blah but nobody actually saying it was any good. * Trevor Noah doesn't count, because he's from South Afrtica, you know, where racism doesn't exist or anything.
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bull3964 posted:What could he have said about the fires or floods that would have been investigative in nature? But lots of people here bitching about how President Obama hasn't visited yet when Bush was also advised not to come post-Katrina - and Trump jumped on to be the first to visit (which caused problems - traffic for sure - a big reason the presidents were advised against early visits). Yet the state as a whole continues to vote for people who don't believe in climate change and for some reason forget who was appointed to FEMA prior to Katrina. I guess those people wouldn't be watching the show anyway. I'm still exhausted so yeah, I'm just bitching about a non-issue I'm sure.
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Solvent posted:I've been shouted at and called naive by old ladies for supporting Sanders. People get overly invested in things they believe in far too often. Yes people do tend to love their own viewpoints a bit too much. Bee actually tells jokes that are funny and are not written according to a standard template, which is nice.
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I'll give Oliver all the credit in the world for going in-depth about subjects most shows overlook, but his delivery does get a bit grating at times and the jokes fall a bit flat. Also I might be alone in this but his impersonations are cringy as gently caress. What he has over Colbert and such is the British way of dealing with the audience, which is to not let them over-cheer whenever he mentions weed or beer or something, he just plows straight on and shuts them up. E: And my favorite things are the ways he describes places, like "now on to North Korea, or, Earth's Florida." and things like that, much like Colbert used to do about people on the Report with the "Actual title, and [incredibly accurate descriptive insult], name" stuff, though I've seemed to forget all of them except Mitch McConnell being called some kind of a turtle. Stare-Out fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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Yeah, his descriptive subtitles to geographical areas, along with the misleading map shtick, are great running gags. "... Europe: that thing Belgium is in." "... Australia: not just the country where Russel Crowe lives, but very much the Russell Crowe of countries."
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Stare-Out posted:I'll give Oliver all the credit in the world for going in-depth about subjects most shows overlook, but his delivery does get a bit grating at times and the jokes fall a bit flat. Also I might be alone in this but his impersonations are cringy as gently caress. What he has over Colbert and such is the British way of dealing with the audience, which is to not let them over-cheer whenever he mentions weed or beer or something, he just plows straight on and shuts them up. Yeah I have a friend who can't stand the show because of his delivery and some of his analogies as well. I think its fine, but yeah it is what it is.
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Mars4523 posted:I've found Oliver to be pretty bad. His delivery is awful and downright repetitive. (show a person saying something stupid) "HOLY poo poo" (show something that doesn't seem right) "HOLY poo poo" (show anything else surprising) "HOLY poo poo"
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This show is pretty good and I like John Oliver. Take that!
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Mars4523 posted:I've found Oliver to be pretty bad. His delivery is awful and downright repetitive. His show revolves around whether or not the research department and writers can bite into a topic deep enough to give Oliver a few jokes that are actually funny and not his "that's like if X were like Y" mad libs, and if he doesn't really care about a topic it really shows. That's not to say that he doesn't have good weeks, because he does. Then go make a Full Frontal thread for people to not post in. I don't really care.
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Oliver is good, and i'm sure sam bee will find her footing and maybe a desk and maybe learn to not shill for criminals, and i'll be cool with watching her show, but Oliver's first show was better than her first, and he's continually had the better show. His delivery is earnest. He doesn't overwrite a witty comeback and his indignation is real. My only critique with John is that he seems to really live by the notion that you have to break up a serious topic with a joke now and then to get a laugh and engage the audience, but I think the show would be better off if the jokes just stopped if the main segment doesn't naturally lend itself to humor. He's got a sort-of variety show here, where comedy and interesting domestic/international issues are discussed with some depth, and the jokes aren't really necessary and everytime he breaks up a segment about, say, bail bonds, with an awkward pop culture joke, I know he's doing it out of fear that people aren't listening, or will stop listening if he doesn't tell a lame one liner every 2-3 minutes.
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This show sucks because it killed The Bugle
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Fellatio del Toro posted:This show sucks because it killed The Bugle Are you sure it wasn't the pun runs?
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hemophilia posted:I know he's doing it out of fear that people aren't listening, or will stop listening if he doesn't tell a lame one liner every 2-3 minutes. Yeah, I don't think the guy that's been doing smart assed news commentary since 2007 is telling the occasional off topic jokes about terrible things because he's afraid. He's doing it because that's how he comments on issues. He takes really depressing topics and points out how ridiculous they are. Sometimes he takes a break for a stupid sounding joke about something only vaguely related. That's how he does it. It isn't fear. On the bugle Andy would go off on lists of horrible puns for several minutes at a time. If anything, Oliver has toned down the amount of jokes that are tangential to his main topic.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:This show sucks because it killed The Bugle 
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Solvent posted:Then go make a Full Frontal thread for people to not post in. We already have one of those. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3763789&pagenumber=9#lastpost
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T.C. posted:Yeah, I don't think the guy that's been doing smart assed news commentary since 2007 is telling the occasional off topic jokes about terrible things because he's afraid. He's doing it because that's how he comments on issues. He takes really depressing topics and points out how ridiculous they are. Sometimes he takes a break for a stupid sounding joke about something only vaguely related. That's how he does it. It isn't fear. No, I think I'm right. The abortion segment he basically comes out and says what the game is with his main segments. The jokes are to maintain attention over serious a subject matter, and it's not necessary imo.
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Fellatio del Toro posted:This show sucks because it killed The Bugle The most true thing.
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I enjoy Sam Bee AND John Oliver, so there. And hahaha oh wow I remember reading that book when I was in elementary school.
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I'm glad someone, somewhere is pushing back against the non-stop positive spin every politician gives charter schools. It's ludicrous and I wish the left would snap the gently caress out of it. And that Trump segment was great. Pyroxene Stigma posted:Ain't that the truth. I've seen a decent amount of her show but somehow missed this. Thank you, it's incredible. Nostalgia4Butts posted:sam b is funnier on her show than she ever was on the daily show Agreed
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