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Koalas March posted:There's a lot to unpack here. What do you really want to know? You mentioned misogyny, there is a type called misogynoir in black feminist spaces. It refers specifically to to the combined racism and misogyny that black women face. There is also an element of colorism there. holy poo poo that's a hashtag? what the gently caress
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nutranurse posted:Misogynoir is too cool of a term for such an ugly practice. It really is.
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GalacticAcid posted:Closing the Book on Gawker.com - data wrapup of Gawker's tenure. There's a list of the most-recommended posters and posts in Kinja history, any Goons on the list? The comments have sucked there for the past few years but they were good around 2010, iirc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg
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# ? Aug 23, 2016 01:40 |
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emdash posted:he just got banned, period. $10 to get back in type thing Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/767861443328897024 So exactly what you'd expect from a bigoted rich blowhard run by open white supremacists? He's the gift that keeps on taking.
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Geostomp posted:So exactly what you'd expect from a bigoted rich blowhard run by open white supremacists? He's the gift that keeps on taking. I'm gonna be real thankful for those quotes if they get a lot of play on the news. They may well take away from what was shaping up to be a bad news week for Clinton. Was there any follow up to Trump's canceled events?
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emdash posted:he just got banned, period. $10 to get back in type thing Yeah, this DEFINITELY isn't aimed at black folks. It's aimed at white people who are convinced that "bad" neighborhoods are deathtraps. My pasty white rear end lived in a "bad" neighborhood for years and the worst thing that happened was my license plate ending up on a stolen van. Well there was also the time a woman flagged down my car and rambled at me for a few minutes before calling me "a real redbone." That was just surreal.
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? I don't see where it announces that you've stopped posting?
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Koalas March posted:There's a lot to unpack here. What do you really want to know? You mentioned misogyny, there is a type called misogynoir in black feminist spaces. It refers specifically to to the combined racism and misogyny that black women face. There is also an element of colorism there. Woah, that's interesting. Colorism as a concept is also one I'm a little familiar with, but will read up on. Misogynoir is... interesting and awful. Specifically, what are some examples of problems unique to what black folk do to other black folk, or that black folk face outside of white vs. black racism? Or is that still super, super broad? I literally know so little I'm worried about being offensive accidentally.
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there wolf posted:Not getting poo poo for stuff white people do and get praised for is actually a pretty low bar. Ideally people should get credit, praise, and success for the things they come up with without having it all stop at at the white middleman who 'introduced' it to mainstream culture. That's part of the problem with cultural appropriation. When people don't get credit then they don't get valued as a contributors to society/culture/whatever, and that effects how they're valued as people. That's a really succinct way of explaining it, thank you.
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Family Values posted:Tina Turner and Diana Ross were *definitely* sex symbols of the 70s and 80s even for us white folks. As a white older millennial I don't have much to contribute to race talk other than like, I try to be conscious of my predisposition to project stereotypes and check my prejudice when I identify it, and just generally try to treat people as I would like to be; but I did want to add to the above that the whitest white guy I know has a very very weird and very innocent crush on Pam Grier. Pam Grier was a sex symbol in the 70s for us white folks as well.
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On O'Reilly today, they've set up Trump to look like a talking version of his portrait. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUZEdtVhAE
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SquadronROE posted:Woah, that's interesting. Colorism as a concept is also one I'm a little familiar with, but will read up on. Misogynoir is... interesting and awful. Hair is a big thing. There's even a documentary about it. Having "good" (white) hair is more attractive. It also helps you when you're job searching. Certain types of black hair are seen as unprofessional. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m-4qxz08So And "Becky with the good hair" became a meme out of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxsmWxxouIM Lightskinned black women are generally considered more attractive, but also sluts. Dark skinned black women are also sluts, (wow!) but some people will say they are dirty or loud or ghetto/rachet. Then you have the media reinforcing this stuff. Girls in music videos are usually always lightskinned. (Props to Beyonce for breaking this stereotype in Lemonade. Everyone go watch Lemonade.) Black women on TV is a whole 'nother thing to unpack, because there's a lot to go into there. I'm going to post this again because it's relevant to how the media reinfornces stereotypes. quote:Just having a black female lead isn’t enough though. Characters who are black women often fall into many negative stereotypes. They are often written as fat, sassy, aggressive, angry, self-indulgent, hypersexual, and gold digging single mothers. Rarely are they portrayed as vulnerable, desirable, loving, carefree, silly, elegant, soft or genteel. In summation white supremacy has done a number on us, and we are often racist to our own people. There also others who just fine with the status quo (black republicans) and think everyone should assimilate to white culture and stop being so "ghetto". Koalas March fucked around with this message at 02:09 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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crime at levels nobody's seen (since 1968, the last time violent crime was this low)
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Dr.Smasher posted:If I had to guess it's 1300 posts of race chat I was about to praise uspol for keeping under 1000 posts per day, too. At least it was just an rear end in a top hat and not an actual political bombshell.
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I live in a really diverse town in MA just south of Boston. (In fact it was at one point the most diverse town in the North East US) There are more Black and Asian people living here than white people, at least below the age of 60ish. And like half the white people are Jewish. Meanwhile all the surrounding towns are the white dominated suburban towns you'd imagine surrounding Boston. Which of course means that my town has a reputation ingrained throughout the entire region of being a total ghetto. Which, coming from a lifelong resident who is as white as the driven snow, is loving laughable.
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disjoe posted:This is how black people dial the phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hY8_7LWDx0w
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Your quote's reference to fandom is an interesting one. As a white guy who doesn't participate in any fandoms, it's really easy to just divorce myself form it entirely and write it off. But that they develop a certain amount of capital and can make enjoyment of a cultural thing into a hostile situation for minorities is a revealing one. Like, I knew the gamergate crowd existed and that they're insane but it seems like it exists with all cultural products? It seems really hosed up because I can just act like I'm above it all because I don't even own a tv but if a minority were to do the same thing I imagine that accusations would be more like you're uncultured or can't appreciate it. Is that the case?
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SquadronROE posted:OK moment of silence over. I'm genuinely interested - what ARE the problems in black culture (are there even any worth talking about?), from people who live it? Not from people on the outside trying to whitesplain something. In my mind, one of the big ones I don't see enough pushback on is the high prevalence and acceptance of corporeal punishment. I've even seen it as a point of pride compared to white mothers letting their children run wild. And as a hard thing, that's the exact type of thing to share in mixed company, rallying around lovely famous people just because they're black. This was basically the point of the R. Kelly episode of The Boondocks.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/767861443328897024
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N. Senada posted:Your quote's reference to fandom is an interesting one. As a white guy who doesn't participate in any fandoms, it's really easy to just divorce myself form it entirely and write it off. But that they develop a certain amount of capital and can make enjoyment of a cultural thing into a hostile situation for minorities is a revealing one. Like, I knew the gamergate crowd existed and that they're insane but it seems like it exists with all cultural products? Ah, dude, even loving furries have that poo poo going on, a big deal last year was a guy wearing a Confederate flag fursuit to a con, and arguments when the con told him to take it off. There's no easy escape from that sea of white supremacy.
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N. Senada posted:Your quote's reference to fandom is an interesting one. As a white guy who doesn't participate in any fandoms, it's really easy to just divorce myself form it entirely and write it off. But that they develop a certain amount of capital and can make enjoyment of a cultural thing into a hostile situation for minorities is a revealing one. Like, I knew the gamergate crowd existed and that they're insane but it seems like it exists with all cultural products? It seems really hosed up because I can just act like I'm above it all because I don't even own a tv but if a minority were to do the same thing I imagine that accusations would be more like you're uncultured or can't appreciate it. Is that the case? Yeah. Like I never watched Breaking Bad for reasons that would take awhile to explain probably, and white men always act like I'm a nutcase. Maybe it's because I'm in film and getting into TV idk. Which is why I follow fandoms and news about shows I like. I am not a weird tumblrite or anything but as someone who wants to be a show runner following fans is really interesting to me.
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Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again?
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Ice Phisherman posted:Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again? A dude got probed for a month then banned (so he can't even re-register for a month, right?) for saying some really stupid racist nonsense and being wholly unrepentant, I gather So yeah you're good
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Ice Phisherman posted:Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again? Definitely don't bother. Just uhhh, assume those didn't happen
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Ice Phisherman posted:Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again? You missed lots of discussions and shitposting. Racism. Colorism. Misogynoir. Black people posting pics to with paper bags to prove our blackness after being accused of being white. There are was lot of bad stuff but good stuff worth reading sprinkled in the last few pages.
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Ciaphas posted:A dude got probed for a month then banned (so he can't even re-register for a month, right?) for saying some really stupid racist nonsense and being wholly unrepentant, I gather We've been having an entirely reasonable conversation over PM, so doesn't seem super banned???
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CherryCola posted:We've been having an entirely reasonable conversation over PM, so doesn't seem super banned??? Yeah, banning and probation do not affect each other. The ban just means you need to reregister, the probation keeps you from posting.
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Ah, I thought they acted simultaneously but ticked off in sequence. Nevermind!
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SedanChair posted:On O'Reilly today, they've set up Trump to look like a talking version of his portrait. What, like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3w7LNKzO1w&t=152s 2:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H1f2lBJ7ow It's Late Night with Conan O'Brien (featuring: The Russian), a pro-click TheBigAristotle fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Dirt posted:Trump is the Law and Order candidate Well, scrambling for cover in the face of Trump-U and his other legal problems isn't exactly unexpected. I am honestly wondering how things like this are playing out with the public.
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Koalas March posted:In summation white supremacy has done a number on us, and we are often racist to our own people. There also others who just fine with the status quo (black republicans) and think everyone should assimilate to white culture and stop being so "ghetto". It's interesting that you listed "vulnerable" as one of the things that are missing, since it feels like it's something that (generally white?) feminists often point out is overdone with (generally white?) female characters. (And also I would generally view "sassy" as a positive, but I guess if it's an overdone stereotype of a group one belongs to it would get really grating...)
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So is the media actually trying to push a horse race narrative now? I kinda thought that was done once Trump starting calling for actual violence against journalists.
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Welp, I followed a link to Trump on Conan promoting his season of The Apprentice in Los Angeles. He gets mad at Conan for asking about Rosie then goes on about her for a while, before showing an utterly ludicrous promo for his show, featuring Melania greeting him as he pulls up in a limo. Just watch it and remember the good ol' days of Late Night. And the FedEx Pope (not actually featured). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkCfOLgJtY
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OddObserver posted:(Disclosure: white dude) It's definitely a white woman concern to call out portraying a character as vulnerable. Black women are never allowed to be vulnerable. They have to be tough, they always have to be the head of their household or doggedly pushing their way into some other socially masculine space. They're loud, sassy, talk back, make poor partners because they never support you, etc. etc. A black woman being vulnerable in the damsel in distress light that white feminists justly decry would be a kind of hosed up step forward because at least a damsel in distress is desired.
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Kilroy posted:So is the media actually trying to push a horse race narrative now? I kinda thought that was done once Trump starting calling for actual violence against journalists. The only dumb thing Trump said this week would involve the media having an honest conversation about race, so they're just going back to the horse race until he gives them something to work with.
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Question here about polls, THis is from the Princeton Election Consortium Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 91%, Bayesian 95% So does that mean Clinton has a 91% chance of winning or what?
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To black people ITT, what's the one piece of legislation, court decision, or executive order you most want to see/see actually enforced? I've talked about it with people in my community, but I'm interested in a geographically broader perspective.
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OddObserver posted:(Disclosure: white dude) Yeah, the problems with black female characters and white characters are generally reversed. We don't usually get to be love interests (Thanks Shonda Rhimes, The Flash, and Spiderman!) whereas white one are usually nothing more than that. We are prostitutes/hypersexual, caretakers or strong women that don't need a man. Meanwhile you have white women rightfully asking that they portrayed as strong women who don't need men because that's something they don't get to see often. Then again you also have racist people saying that certain black women characters (Abbie Mills from Sleepy Hollow, for example, or Michonne from Walking Dead) should be strong, not need men and be forever alone (because white feminism!) which would conveniently remove their relationship with the (always white) leading man. Tom Clancy is Dead posted:To black people ITT, what's the one piece of legislation, court decision, or executive order you most want to see/see actually enforced? I've talked about it with people in my community, but I'm interested in a geographically broader perspective. Mincome. I'd say complete reform of the ENTIRE criminal justice system, but I don't think that could be done with just one bill or order. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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BigRed0427 posted:Question here about polls, THis is from the Princeton Election Consortium quote:To estimate how much future movement may occur, we make two calculations of probability, both of which appear in the banner at the top of this website:
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:To black people ITT, what's the one piece of legislation, court decision, or executive order you most want to see/see actually enforced? I've talked about it with people in my community, but I'm interested in a geographically broader perspective. Race-aware student loan+loan forgiveness programs. It's one thing to be another college grad drowning in debt, it's a whole other thing to be a college grad drowning in debt because you're too black to get a decent job. While this isn't my particular case, I've seen it gently caress over a fair share of my friends, family, and acquaintances.
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