Koalas March posted:

There's a lot to unpack here. What do you really want to know? You mentioned misogyny, there is a type called misogynoir in black feminist spaces. It refers specifically to to the combined racism and misogyny that black women face. There is also an element of colorism there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynoir

Then you have stuff like this:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55a519fae4b0b8145f738a39

nutranurse posted:

Misogynoir is too cool of a term for such an ugly practice.

GalacticAcid posted:

Closing the Book on Gawker.com - data wrapup of Gawker's tenure. There's a list of the most-recommended posters and posts in Kinja history, any Goons on the list? The comments have sucked there for the past few years but they were good around 2010, iirc.

emdash posted:

he just got banned, period. $10 to get back in type thing

Trump is speaking tonight apparently. https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/767875613633937408

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/767861443328897024


It's a tragedy, have to have a field medic kit on me at all times when I walk to the McDonalds down the street from my job.

Do you know how stressful it is to get shot every day

It certainly can't get any worse than this.

Geostomp posted:

So exactly what you'd expect from a bigoted rich blowhard run by open white supremacists? He's the gift that keeps on taking.

emdash posted:

he just got banned, period. $10 to get back in type thing

Trump is speaking tonight apparently. https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/767875613633937408

Crowsbeak posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg

Koalas March posted:

There's a lot to unpack here. What do you really want to know? You mentioned misogyny, there is a type called misogynoir in black feminist spaces. It refers specifically to to the combined racism and misogyny that black women face. There is also an element of colorism there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynoir

Then you have stuff like this:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_55a519fae4b0b8145f738a39

there wolf posted:

Not getting poo poo for stuff white people do and get praised for is actually a pretty low bar. Ideally people should get credit, praise, and success for the things they come up with without having it all stop at at the white middleman who 'introduced' it to mainstream culture. That's part of the problem with cultural appropriation. When people don't get credit then they don't get valued as a contributors to society/culture/whatever, and that effects how they're valued as people.

Family Values posted:

Tina Turner and Diana Ross were *definitely* sex symbols of the 70s and 80s even for us white folks.





I don't know if the qualify as 'dark skinned black women'. Also, I'm old as gently caress so this may very well qualify as an opinion from before the current zeitgeist.

SquadronROE posted:

Woah, that's interesting. Colorism as a concept is also one I'm a little familiar with, but will read up on. Misogynoir is... interesting and awful.

Specifically, what are some examples of problems unique to what black folk do to other black folk, or that black folk face outside of white vs. black racism? Or is that still super, super broad? I literally know so little I'm worried about being offensive accidentally.

quote:

Just having a black female lead isn’t enough though. Characters who are black women often fall into many negative stereotypes. They are often written as fat, sassy, aggressive, angry, self-indulgent, hypersexual, and gold digging single mothers. Rarely are they portrayed as vulnerable, desirable, loving, carefree, silly, elegant, soft or genteel.

The rare characters that become love interests for a white male protagonist are often sidelined for a white woman. It’s inexplicably rare for the black women character to be the one to whom the white protagonist declares his devotion to and stays with in the end. Black women characters are often forced into the “Mammy” caricature: a workhorse forced to care for white characters, carry their burdens, and assist in cleaning up their messes. Characters who fall into the “Mammy” trope often martyr themselves for the sake of white characters.

Any black female fan of a show that isn’t considered “a black show” by the industry, learns quickly that when a character exists that’s intended to represent “our demographic”, the fandom will find any reason they can to hate her. They’ll write long screeds about how her mere presence ruins the show, and they’ll call for her to be killed off. If this character is a lead, the abuse intensifies. White, usually female fans, will send online abuse to the actress and harass her fans, often using racial slurs.

As a black women who are fans of black female characters, we are constantly reminded how much hate there is for black women and how voraciously people in fandoms dig for reasons to justify it. Oftentimes white female characters are lauded for doing the same things that white fan bases hate black female characters for.

But the hate that black women characters receives isn’t only blatant, with death threats and tirades of racial slurs there are often fans of the show who loathe her, but swear up and down they don’t know why.

emdash posted:

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/767875613633937408

Dr.Smasher posted:

If I had to guess it's 1300 posts of race chat

disjoe posted:

This is how black people dial the phone:

boop-a-doop-doop beep boop

This is how white people dial the phone:

beep boop boop boop

Koalas March posted:

SquadronROE posted:

OK moment of silence over. I'm genuinely interested - what ARE the problems in black culture (are there even any worth talking about?), from people who live it? Not from people on the outside trying to whitesplain something.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd think it's... misogyny, maybe mixed in with being constantly being made to feel like an outsider by a certain segment of the population. But I might be super wrong. I honestly know very little about what it's like to live in a black household, which I always regret. I wish I had black friends who were open to talking about this poo poo.

Dexo posted:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/767861443328897024


It's a tragedy, have to have a field medic kit on me at all times when I walk to the McDonalds down the street from my job.

Do you know how stressful it is to get shot every day

It certainly can't get any worse than this.

N. Senada posted:

Your quote's reference to fandom is an interesting one. As a white guy who doesn't participate in any fandoms, it's really easy to just divorce myself form it entirely and write it off. But that they develop a certain amount of capital and can make enjoyment of a cultural thing into a hostile situation for minorities is a revealing one. Like, I knew the gamergate crowd existed and that they're insane but it seems like it exists with all cultural products?

N. Senada posted:

Your quote's reference to fandom is an interesting one. As a white guy who doesn't participate in any fandoms, it's really easy to just divorce myself form it entirely and write it off. But that they develop a certain amount of capital and can make enjoyment of a cultural thing into a hostile situation for minorities is a revealing one. Like, I knew the gamergate crowd existed and that they're insane but it seems like it exists with all cultural products? It seems really hosed up because I can just act like I'm above it all because I don't even own a tv but if a minority were to do the same thing I imagine that accusations would be more like you're uncultured or can't appreciate it. Is that the case?

Ice Phisherman posted:

Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again?

Ice Phisherman posted:

Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again?

Ice Phisherman posted:

Okay, so I can't run through 1000 posts. Did anything happen or is this more chat about names and food again?

Ciaphas posted:

A dude got probed for a month then banned (so he can't even re-register for a month, right?) for saying some really stupid racist nonsense and being wholly unrepentant, I gather

So yeah you're good

CherryCola posted:

We've been having an entirely reasonable conversation over PM, so doesn't seem super banned???

SedanChair posted:

On O'Reilly today, they've set up Trump to look like a talking version of his portrait.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCUZEdtVhAE

Dirt posted:

Trump is the Law and Order candidate

https://twitter.com/HallieJackson/status/767858978541842433

Koalas March posted:

In summation white supremacy has done a number on us, and we are often racist to our own people. There also others who just fine with the status quo (black republicans) and think everyone should assimilate to white culture and stop being so "ghetto".

OddObserver posted:

(Disclosure: white dude)

It's interesting that you listed "vulnerable" as one of the things that are missing, since it feels like it's something that (generally white?) feminists often point out is overdone with (generally white?) female characters.
(And also I would generally view "sassy" as a positive, but I guess if it's an overdone stereotype of a group one belongs to it would get really grating...)

Kilroy posted:

So is the media actually trying to push a horse race narrative now? I kinda thought that was done once Trump starting calling for actual violence against journalists.

OddObserver posted:

(Disclosure: white dude)

It's interesting that you listed "vulnerable" as one of the things that are missing, since it feels like it's something that (generally white?) feminists often point out is overdone with (generally white?) female characters.
(And also I would generally view "sassy" as a positive, but I guess if it's an overdone stereotype of a group one belongs to it would get really grating...)

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

To black people ITT, what's the one piece of legislation, court decision, or executive order you most want to see/see actually enforced? I've talked about it with people in my community, but I'm interested in a geographically broader perspective.

BigRed0427 posted:

Question here about polls, THis is from the Princeton Election Consortium

Clinton Nov. win probability: random drift 91%, Bayesian 95%

So does that mean Clinton has a 91% chance of winning or what?

quote:

To estimate how much future movement may occur, we make two calculations of probability, both of which appear in the banner at the top of this website:

*“random drift”: This calculation assumes random drift in either direction by an amount that matches past patterns in polling from 1952 to 2012;
*“Bayesian”: In this approach, the up-and-down variation in the Clinton-Trump polling margin so far in 2016 is used to establish a “prior”, i.e. the expected range of future movement. Variation to date is used estimate the midpoint of the likely range of futurevalues. This variation is then estimated conservatively to vary by approximately 7 percentage points, in order to not constrain the November possibilities too much. assumed range is more than twice as broad as the observed variation in 2004-2012, which were very stable compared to elections since 1952.

At the moment, we are using national polls to set the prior. Once we have enough Meta-Margin history, we will use that.

Tom Clancy is Dead posted:

To black people ITT, what's the one piece of legislation, court decision, or executive order you most want to see/see actually enforced? I've talked about it with people in my community, but I'm interested in a geographically broader perspective.