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Geostomp posted:The whitewashing of history and the country's many, many atrocities are huge barriers to providing context for today's issues. Especially when race and warfare are involved. Some of it is a misguided attempt to shield children from the realities of the world, but good old fashioned racism and willful ignorance are huge contributors (see: white people getting credit for everything in history). We have made some strides in correcting this, but we face huge pushback from conservative groups in love with the mythology and against their children getting dangerous "liberal" ideas from actual facts. Yeah I really think things would improve if we just taught history as it was. It's important for people to know the bad as well as the good, because that helps us not repeat it.
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NippleFloss posted:I'm pretty sure she's saying that while it's great that JLo and Beyoncé have changed the conversation slightly about what isn't beautiful (big butts, big thighs) they are still impossibly beautiful and perfect women and their status as sex symbols doesn't do much to make average women feel any better about their bodies. The "Nah just joking" part makes it seems like she is stating anything positive she said previously was bullshit for comedic effect but I admit I don't really follow Tina Fey enough to know her style. SquadronROE posted:Yeah I really think things would improve if we just taught history as it was. It's important for people to know the bad as well as the good, because that helps us not repeat it. A lot of people get REALLY offended if you try to talk about real history since their ancestor's morality get called into question.
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Doesn't Jessica Williams have a segment about hair and how the military was changing their policy back to being less accommodating of black soldiers now that Iraq was winding down?
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Aug 23, 2016 03:54
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Radish posted:The "Nah just joking" part makes it seems like she is stating anything positive she said previously was bullshit for comedic effect but I admit I don't really follow Tina Fey enough to know her style. Her style is fun pro-white women feminist stuff that blows up whenever someone of color walks onto the scene. Then again she seems vaguely self aware at times since in her shows it will be minorities who call out white characters for racism, but then again characters like Dong from kimmy schmidt exist so it's all kinds of good and bad and steps forward and steps back. Like all comedians, bank on her being a bad person.
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Aug 23, 2016 03:57
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SquadronROE posted:Yeah I really think things would improve if we just taught history as it was. It's important for people to know the bad as well as the good, because that helps us not repeat it. History (and Historical narratives, specifically) is inherently biased by definition. There is no "as it was".
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Aug 23, 2016 04:00
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It's really entertaining to see the right wing all frothing at the mouth that more emails may come out, even thought the FBI has had them for some time. Once again they fully expect one email where Hillary takes credit for 9/11, Benghazi, and Harambe in the same sentence.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:01
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SquadronROE posted:Yeah but Sisko was the best Captain! It's more than just that. Take a look at the common depictions of history: white people are the innovators, the industrialists, the war heroes. Meanwhile, the people of color are basically an afterthought. Sure, people hear about slavery and occasionally the oppression of natives, but very rarely is there any detail on the history of atrocities that the nation was founded on or the real contributions of non white groups to our culture, much less what their original cultures were before the thorough efforts to exterminate them all. For far too many, the whitewashed history is all they ever learn so they really do assume that it was all white people doing everything important. So much so that there is backlash any time attempts to make it more accurate are proposed. Our entire culture is build on the assumption of white superiority. When you grow up around that, it's easy to buy into the implications that you are the inferior ones for not being glorious white people. And that's without the Republican party's blatant, malicious racist attacks for support. Let alone their media and Trump's crew legitimizing it to a degree not seen in decades.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:01
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Andrea Tantaros of Fox News Claims Retaliation for Harassment Complaints She filed suit today in New York. Here's some choice quotes: “Fox News masquerades as a defender of traditional family values, but behind the scenes, it operates like a sex-fueled, Playboy Mansion-like cult, steeped in intimidation, indecency and misogyny,” Ms. Tantaros’s suit says. According to the lawsuit, Ms. Tantaros said she had been subjected to unwelcome advances from Mr. O’Reilly, whom she had regarded as a friend and adviser. Ms. Tantaros joined Fox as a contributor in 2010, and a year later was named co-host of “The Five,” which aired at 5 p.m. She said in the suit that she was repeatedly told by Fox executives that she could not wear pants on the air because “Roger wants to see your legs.”
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Aug 23, 2016 04:04
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One of the big things that came up today was that there is a narrative that there's only one way to be 'truly' black. I'm curious, is this One True Only way something that actual humans can really experience? Or is is cobbled together from so many disparate things that few people could actually hope to live up to it? Or does it just shift and flow so much from community to community that there's not even a general agreed upon One True Only Way?
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Aug 23, 2016 04:05
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computer parts posted:History (and Historical narratives, specifically) is inherently biased by definition. There is no "as it was". Yeah but we could do a better job trying to show what happened.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:06
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Del Capitan posted:One of the big things that came up today was that there is a narrative that there's only one way to be 'truly' black. I'm curious, is this One True Only way something that actual humans can really experience? Or is is cobbled together from so many disparate things that few people could actually hope to live up to it? Or does it just shift and flow so much from community to community that there's not even a general agreed upon One True Only Way? Turns out you don't have to be a Scotsman for it to apply! (i'm making a really bad no true scotsman joke)
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Aug 23, 2016 04:07
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Koalas March posted:Idk if you do screenwriting my boss is helping me start my own production company and I'd love to showcase black people in Victorian Literature and sci-fi either in short films or webseries. We'd be working on a micro budget but hey, it's something. I have done some screenwriting in the past, mostly in the academic setting, but I do enjoy the idea of it. I currently work for peanuts writing ad copy and blog posts for businesses, so micro-budgets are my middle name  I don't have PM's here, but you can DM me on twitter ttownmike nutranurse posted:Half the reason I didn't pursue my original goal of becoming a professor was because I was flat out told by another minority professor, who struggled his way into teaching old english lit, that as a black guy I would be hired to teach black things or nothing else. That's it, not much you can do about it unless you're some wunderkind who works 10 times as hard as any white kid looking to get into classics or whatever subject you shouldnt be studying since you're black. One of these most frustrating realizations i had in school way back when was that I was seen as an aberration for my love of Victorian era literature. Why wasn't I doing AA-lit or even African classics was the question I always got. Maybe I identify with the class struggle of the 19th century and already read enough Langston Hughes on my own!? Yea, post school has been a drag. I managed restaurants for 10 years, and even there was a racist hell hole.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:08
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computer parts posted:History (and Historical narratives, specifically) is inherently biased by definition. There is no "as it was". Yep, this is the real joy of historiography. You can get sort of close by literally just presenting documents and artifacts, but even then, you're viewing the history through the lens of what documents and artifacts you chose to present, which ones survived to be presented, and which people exactly produced them. There is no pure history.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:09
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html These e-mails are never going to go away and now it's turning into a "Clinton Foundation is crooked and she's crooked" narrative. Why couldn't she just stop using that stupid Blackberry?
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Aug 23, 2016 04:09
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zoux posted:The race stuff is fine I just mean 100 people arguing with one obviously insane dude/unbelievable rear end in a top hat is really dull From what ive been told you're actually racist for not reading and enjoying each and every post of the dogpile
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Aug 23, 2016 04:10
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Del Capitan posted:One of the big things that came up today was that there is a narrative that there's only one way to be 'truly' black. I'm curious, is this One True Only way something that actual humans can really experience? Or is is cobbled together from so many disparate things that few people could actually hope to live up to it? Or does it just shift and flow so much from community to community that there's not even a general agreed upon One True Only Way? I think the monolithic "Black Culture" is something that has persisted because of stereotyping and racism, and has been perpetuated by black people ourselves as well. I was always told as a kid I wasn't "black enough" because I liked to read, did well in school, and preferred grunge music to hip hop. I wore flannel and loved Nirvana when I was a kid and that apparently was not black. We have only recently as a society really started having the conversation about "blackness" and what it means, and it is mainly due to the internet allowing us to find black people who are just like us.
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Brony Car posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html If this loses her the election I swear to poo poo
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Aug 23, 2016 04:13
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Business Gorillas posted:From what ive been told you're actually racist for not reading and enjoying each and every post of the dogpile Your struggle is so real.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:13
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Brony Car posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html The only people who care are the media who want hot takes and people who would crawl over rusty razors to vote against Hillary.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:13
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Radish posted:A lot of people get REALLY offended if you try to talk about real history since their ancestor's morality get called into question. Yup. I never understood this, by the way. You get people saying poo poo like "I'm not responsible for the actions of my ancestors." No poo poo, dude, so why are you so upset that you have to learn about it? No one's going to try to persecute some rear end from Trabzon for the Armenian genocide or a modern Carolinian for the genocide of the Lumbee. Where does this poo poo come from?
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Aug 23, 2016 04:15
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Fluffdaddy posted:Your struggle is so real. white grievance politics is real and strong, my friend
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Aug 23, 2016 04:15
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I see the Republicans are predictably hyping up emails the content of which they know nothing. Breathlessly reported as a "bombshell" over here, because we suck.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:15
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New Trump Scandal  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-rent_us_57bba424e4b03d51368a82b9?o9ix30du10s5rk9 TL:DR Trump jacked the rent of his campaign office in his own Trump tower 4x higher(to almost 170k/month from 35k/month back in March), once the rent was being paid by donor money. Basically pocketing donations. I'm not shocked. I'd be shocked if this goes anywhere. I mean HILLARY'S EMAILS OMG edit: It's nearly 5 times higher actually. 35k*5 = 175,000. Dirt fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 04:16
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Brony Car posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html If she had they'd use something else.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:17
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*walks into thread* *presses button* Gentlemen. *walks out, slams door behind him* *door collapses after 10 secs*
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DemeaninDemon posted:The only people who care are the media who want hot takes and people who would crawl over rusty razors to vote against Hillary. Trustworthiness is a serious issue for Clinton. Like it or not, the 24 years of non-stop smearing against her by the republicans has taken root in a large part of the population, many who aren't thrilled about either candidate. Thus far Clinton's campaign has been real smart about having people look at Trump as he was hogging the spot light. If the light gets shined on her, the media and many voters will see that she can do no right and suddenly the "close horse race" narrative is back on. We just have to hope that Trump keeps liking the sound of his own voice and that Hillary kills it on the first debate.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:20
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Dirt posted:New Trump Scandal This is loving hilarious.
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Brony Car posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/23/us/politics/hillary-clintons-new-emails-release-state-department.html I apologize if I'm illiterate and missed this, but were these reviewed prior to the determination not to indict?
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Aug 23, 2016 04:21
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Nucleic Acids posted:I apologize if I'm illiterate and missed this, but were these reviewed prior to the determination not to indict? Yes. The debate is now over how fast the state department will release them. The State Department would like to redact them and make sure they are cleared for public release. Others want them all released with no redacting and no screening.
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Aug 23, 2016 04:23
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Captain Stalin posted:Trustworthiness is a serious issue for Clinton. Like it or not, the 24 years of non-stop smearing against her by the republicans has taken root in a large part of the population, many who aren't thrilled about either candidate. Good thing Trump's a moron who can't go a week without some idiotic thing coming from his campaign or mouth. Also no one really gives a gently caress about emails.
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What reforms will the GOP make to put more power into top donor / establishment hands after the inevitable November rout? I just can't imagine them leaving the possibility of Another Trump for next cycle.
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Radish posted:I mean maybe I am misinterpreting what she is saying but is it as horrible as it sounds? No...? It's just the beauty myth thing where there's this impossible standard women are pressured to keep throwing themselves at, and their inevitable failure is just an excuse to criticize and tear them down. When curvier figures came back into vogue after the heroine chic years, it wasn't really about expanding the definitions of beauty or increased acceptance of more diverse body types; it was just the goal posts shifting again to create a new standard most women will never achieve and none will maintain so the culture can keep beating them for not being perfect. It's not a bad point, but it's something you have to be thoughtful in how you express when the subject intersects with race least you end up sounding like you're making GBS threads on greater acceptance of non-white bodies.
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Xae posted:Yes. You'd think Republicans would want them redacted, because then they could tell supporters all their worst fears are the parts that w[redacted].
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:I think it's cool that you're curious about this stuff and if whatever that 1300-post mess was generated interest in this topic it was worth it, imo. It's a little uncomfortable to criticize black culture in mixed company - this isn't the most favorable environment for discussing perspectives different than the default white male goon, as you might have noticed, and I at least (black woman from the North) was raised not to air "dirty laundry" in front of white people. So posting any of this requires a degree of trust I hope you'll validate. This is an amazing post. Thank you for this.
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Koalas March posted:Yeah. Like I never watched Breaking Bad for reasons that would take awhile to explain probably, and white men always act like I'm a nutcase. Maybe it's because I'm in film and getting into TV idk. Which is why I follow fandoms and news about shows I like. I am not a weird tumblrite or anything but as someone who wants to be a show runner following fans is really interesting to me. Do you read the stuff Javier Grillo-Marxuach puts out? His rules for showrunners is loving fantastic.
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Eifert Posting posted:You'd think Republicans would want them redacted, because then they could tell supporters all their worst fears are the parts that w[redacted]. You're over estimating their intelligence. They know Hillary is guilty and once these emails come out they will prove it. They just know it in their heart of hearts.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Good thing Trump's a moron who can't go a week without some idiotic thing coming from his campaign or mouth. I mean, plenty of people do, but those people already turned on her over the original Indictment announcement drama. It's sort of a done issue.
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It's actually kind of comforting to me that they're still going after this email stuff. You'd think they'd move on to something more productive if they had anything better. That's even knowing the obvious, that a lot of the anti-hillary stuff is more about sounding angry and shouting something that can be easily repeated than anything concrete.
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Radish posted:The "Nah just joking" part makes it seems like she is stating anything positive she said previously was bullshit for comedic effect but I admit I don't really follow Tina Fey enough to know her style. I too it as "it's great that because of JLo and Beyoncé women are now comfortable with their big asses and thick thighs!!! Nah, just kidding, most of us are still insecure as hell because our bodies aren't anything like theirs and never will be."
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GalacticAcid posted:What reforms will the GOP make to put more power into top donor / establishment hands after the inevitable November rout? I just can't imagine them leaving the possibility of Another Trump for next cycle. Would be funny if they went with a Super Delegate like system to prevent any future Trumpsters, since that is what a few of the disgruntled Bernie bros want gone from the Dems process.
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