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GunnerJ posted:9) Voting for Gary Johnson will give you the satisfaction of being able to say "I told you so" to your family and friends for 4 years! Hillary starts another war, "Hey, I didn't vote for her!" Your friend complains when Trump says something wacky, shake your head sadly and remind them for the 500th time, "You should have voted for President Johnson!" They will get sick of complaining to you because you are immune to their whining. No one will ever bother you about politics again until 2019. Then, you can tell them, no one has ever had to apologize or make excuses for their candidate when they voted Libertarian! "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!"
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Pththya-lyi posted:"Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!" The Simpsons sure had its South Park moments.
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QuarkJets posted:lol so the author of this knew that Clinton was in some sort of legislative office but doesn't think that she's ever worked with Republicans to enact legislation To be fair they probably meant "there, that's not an advantage Clinton has over Johnson"
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GunnerJ posted:I think it implicitly mean "chief executive." That sounds like a pretty dumb criterion and seems specifically tailored so that you can say that Johnson has executive experience and Clinton doesn't, even though Clinton's experience is far more relevant than Johnson's. So given that we're talking about libertarians I think you're right.
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Cerebral Bore posted:That sounds like a pretty dumb criterion and seems specifically tailored so that you can say that Johnson has executive experience and Clinton doesn't, even though Clinton's experience is far more relevant than Johnson's. So given that we're talking about libertarians I think you're right. Well, they tried the same thing with Palin. So yeah basically. I have to wonder how much people who eat this up glorify the classic liberal wisdom of The Founding Fathers. As a former Secretary of State, Clinton would basically be the most "intent of the Founders" president we've had in a long time.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I can't tell what's real anymore. Me either, I have to consult the wriggling mass of giblets that floats above my home for that sort of thing these days.
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paragon1 posted:Me either, I have to consult the wriggling mass of giblets that floats above my home for that sort of thing these days. Hard "g", like "goatse", or soft "g", like "GIF"?
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Weatherman posted:Hard "g", like "goatse", or soft "g", like "GIF"? like the g in gibbet
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Weatherman posted:Hard "g", like "goatse", or soft "g", like "GIF"? Are you a jigawatt man?
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Weatherman posted:Hard "g", like "goatse", or soft "g", like "GIF"? Wait, I'm not supposed to pronounce it as "joat-see?" What have been doing with my life?
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From a while back, but as I said before, 2 jobs so I missed all of thisJustJeff88 posted:Part of me is sad that you ended up leaving France, C-bot, but if you're happier that way then so be it. Did you meet your fiancée there or in the states? I met her there but I have some family who can co-sponsor so she should be here by the end of the year. I'm not at all happy leaving France (or Brittany to be more precise) but it's the only viable decision we had available to us. That level of poverty has a pretty profound psychological effect when there's no light at the end of the tunnel and the fact that she couldn't help financially at all took a pretty serious toll on her. Liquid Communism posted:What the hell field are you in that you can't beat minimum wage with, given you mention a master's, I can only assume is at least a bachelor's degree? poo poo, every fast food joint and Starbucks out here is starting people at $10, and that's in the rear end end of the Midwest not someplace expensive like the Bay or Seattle. Education, and even though I'm one of maybe 300 people in the world qualified to teach elementary school in the language I was teaching it in the starting wage is minimum wage and there are no significant raises in the pay scale for the first 8 years or so.  Also, I don't think you're rear end-end of the Midwest enough at those pay scales, unlike my apparent neighbor here Who What Now posted:Around where I live (mid-Michigan) fast food is hiring for the high $8s to low $9s, and I can guarantee you won't find much better in most other entry-level fields. Dirk the Average posted:If you get the chance, try to get a job as a technician somewhere in a medical company (or other industrial company; my only experience is medical). Generally speaking, there's not much education required, and if you're former military, they'll be happy to hire you (there are tax breaks and incentives to do so!). You won't make as much as an engineer, but you get decent pay and benefits. I'm all set up with a good paying (80k+/year) Fed job that starts next summer, I'm just waiting for the academy to start. I can't wait to be a statist parasite sucking the vitality out of the economy with ill-gotten pay stolen from hardworking Americans by men with guns.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Wait, I'm not supposed to pronounce it as "joat-see?" What have been doing with my life? goatse.cx is pronounced "goat sexy"
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paragon1 posted:Me either, I have to consult the wriggling mass of giblets that floats above my home for that sort of thing these days. I had been avoiding reading that social networks thread because I didn't remember why I bookmarked it, and figured it was written by someone like me ie the topic was social networks are broken so here is how we can deepen our human communication and compassion while not succumbing to digital ennui. Really though, it was just my subconscious mind protecting itself, screaming that this was the techno libertarian nonsense that would actually break it. How could... But why... What? Who? Where? Fake edit: The Google Hangouts video... Where sedanchairs is made of shadow and snark, Eripsa implicates himself and then blames that other guy who is grinning all the time for getting him banned for account sharing?! I work in psychedelic research and that's the trippiest video in the whole world.
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Stinky_Pete posted:what the gently caress now i need to see that thread I also just realised I am running a fever. YMMV
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WrenP-Complete posted:I also just realised I am running a fever
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theshim posted:and the only cure is more jrodbot jrodbot posted:Hello everyone. Many of you know me already. But before I had a chance to defend my positions. Listed mental health, drug addiction, loose dogs, failing schools as problems the public to limit the scope of discussion, it logically follows the acknowledgment of the caller, calling the police role has become that of a verbal debate at some point in the middle of the mandates from the ethical rules for human beings. That started off well.
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WrenP-Complete posted:That started off well. 
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WrenP-Complete posted:That started off well. "Loose dogs" is why you always neuter your pets.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Why I'm leaving France I see where you are coming from, SC. I've often been tempted by jobs with the government as a university language professor who isn't on the tenure track. I just took an 18.6% raise to change jobs this year, and it's less work/misery/aggravation in many ways, but sometimes those jobs that pay twice my salary or more with the Department of Defence or the CIA look very tempting. I am a naturalised US citizen, but I am not sure if they would hire me being Canadian born and British raised.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Education, and even though I'm one of maybe 300 people in the world qualified to teach elementary school in the language I was teaching it in the starting wage is minimum wage and there are no significant raises in the pay scale for the first 8 years or so. Nah, I'm in Iowa. Michigan is just its own special economic Hell. Education makes it fully understandable though, that field is absurdly under-paid. Good luck on your transition into better paying work!
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Soviet Commubot posted:unlike my apparent neighbor here A michigoon?!
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Why are there so many of us in this thread? Is our state home to more than the average number of libertarians?
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It's cause the Midwest is the septic tank of America OP.
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paragon1 posted:It's cause the Midwest is the septic tank of America OP. Spoken by someone who's never been to Mississippi.
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Liquid Communism posted:Spoken by someone who's never been to Mississippi. Septic tank is too nice of a description for Mississippi
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Liquid Communism posted:Spoken by someone who's never been to Mississippi. The South isn't the septic tank of America, it's the gangrenous taint.
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paragon1 posted:It's cause the Midwest is the septic tank of America OP. I kind of wonder if it's a Rust Belt thing; for whatever bug gently caress crazy reason the places hit hardest by capitalism going "nah, you aren't profitable enough" are prone to producing people who just really, really wish capitalism was legally allowed to gently caress them harder.
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Remember kids: God didn't whisk us all away to heaven on the appointed date because we didn't worship him hard enough.
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paragon1 posted:The South isn't the septic tank of America, it's the gangrenous taint. You're really mixing your metaphors.
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Liquid Communism posted:Spoken by someone who's never been to Mississippi. There are a few exlibertarians from Mississippi (me) and there are a lot of current Ron Paul style when the rubber hits the road we vote straight conservative "Libertarians" who really just want to stop getting harassed by police for being dumb shits who break minor laws all the time.
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Actually another thing occurs to me; have you ever noticed that lolbertarians tend to be white as hell? If memory serves Mississippi is pretty black. I can definitely understand a black person looking at libertarians and going "lol, nah." The whitest white to ever white probably hears Ron Paul saying "well we shouldn't ban discrimination at a federal level" and think "yeah what's the big deal, anyway?" while a non-white person in America is pretty much guaranteed to have experienced discrimination.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Actually another thing occurs to me; have you ever noticed that lolbertarians tend to be white as hell? Look, I'm not in this to read about racism so Holy gently caress can't you stop talking about racism? There's no relationship between libertarians and racism. Why are you always bringing up racism? I said I don't want to read about it!
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Actually another thing occurs to me; have you ever noticed that lolbertarians tend to be white as hell? There's pretty much one prominent black libertarian, Thomas Sowell. His entire output is based around "perhaps it is you who is the racist" arguments. Like, "poor old Scalia, smeared as a 'racist' just because he said black people won't be able to handle top-tier colleges" level stuff. Seriously, look at this poo poo.
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paragon1 posted:It's cause the Midwest is the septic tank of America OP. i'll accept this if you agree that ohio is the worst of the midwest
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There's a poster on this forum (but not in this thread) that I've always very much respected; he's a Dutchman by the name of Orange Devil. He said something once in a healthcare thread that always stuck with me. I paraphrase: "Socialists (read: people who believe in equitable, non-exploitative economic systems) don't blindly love government. In fact, they are highly suspicious of government. They just know that it's the only possible thing that can protect people from the ravages of capitalism" I'm constantly horrified that (stupid) people will actively go about trying to weaken or outright eliminate the one thing that is providing some thin, woefully insufficient protection from the capitalist system. Part of it is ignorance, part of it is the Steinback "disenfranchised millionaires" syndrome. I realise that a lot of people have been propagandised by media that is owned by huge corporations who just want to enrich themselves off of everyone's misery, but a lot of people are simply utter sociopaths and, even though they will never be in a position of power, they subconsciously would like to gently caress everyone over for their own benefit if they were and they would resent being stopped by a more powerful entity - the government. So, they vote and act in ways that are very much a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face. I'm also constantly reminded of how far humanity is from evolving into any truly "progressive" economic system. I hate the word progressive, honestly, but I couldn't think of a better one. What capitalism does to so many is so blatant, horrible and obvious, but the mass consciousness is so far removed from better ideas that people don't even consider the possibility that the capitalist system itself is the problem. The oligarchs don't care because they only want to make as much money as possible and will do anything to do it, very economically conservative types think that everything would be grand if the government would stay out of it (Protip: It wouldn't), and even the mast majority of left-leaning people think that the system is fine, it just needs more regulation or a higher minimum wage or blah blah blah. Frankly, I also sometimes think that human nature is just not compatible with egalitarianism in general. Alan Greenspan is a horrible person and the fact that he's still alive at 90 is proof that only the good die young, but he may have a point in saying that capitalism is human nature and we may as well just run with it. I don't agree, but I often wonder if humankind is simply not capable of better. Humans are vile, hateful selfish creatures and every positive step forward in social evolution, from the end of chattel slavery to the institution of government pensions and the like has had to be earned in tears from century upon century of misery, poverty and disenfranchisement that probably could have been avoided to a great degree if the collective conscience had a drop of decency in it.
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Sloppy Milkshake posted:i'll accept this if you agree that ohio is the worst of the midwest All current evidence I am aware of indicates that that is the case.
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