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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

MacheteZombie posted:

My high school english teacher thought Ayn Rand was the most important writer in American history. :negative:

Well, I mean, if you measure them in terms of sheer impact on the face of the nation, you might have a case for her. There's probably some abolitionist author who did more good than she did harm, though.

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greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax
The most important writer in American history is probably, like, Thomas Jefferson or Alexander Hamilton.

The most important novelist? The apostle Paul of course.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
The most important poet was a fascist sympathizer and ran away to Europe, so really, "the most important American writer" for any given category is a pretty dubious distinction.

Rough Lobster
May 27, 2009

Don't be such a squid, bro

Hollismason posted:

It's a folder labeled young boys on his computer.

Wasn't Ozymandias like, marketing a very successful line of toys? Don't they mention that it's been harder to sell them since he doesn't have any more villains?

I don't remember him having a folder on his computer but the first thing that comes to mind to me would be market research, not pedophile.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Maybe back when it was written in 85. Now, anybody sees a "young boys" folder on anybody's computer and they're dialing the local FBI office.

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007

Dark_Tzitzimine
Oct 9, 2012

by R. Guyovich
For what is worth, the folder was simply labelled as "Boys"

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.
Most likely PROJECT SQUID BOYS. Honest.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours

TBH that's what my desktop looks like as well.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

TBH that's what my desktop looks like as well.

Rookie mistake.

You don't keep your "BOYS" folder on your desktop. You put it inside a folder labelled "BUSINESS DOCS."

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
C:\Just Playin

MacheteZombie
Feb 4, 2007
In my office most of our computers come preloaded with that setup. It's a nice perk.

Hat Thoughts
Jul 27, 2012

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Resamays.

greatn
Nov 15, 2006

by Lowtax

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Rookie mistake.

You don't keep your "BOYS" folder on your desktop. You put it inside a folder labelled "BUSINESS DOCS."

Then again his computer password is like all lower case synonym with his name.

LesterGroans
Jun 9, 2009

It's funny...

You were so scary at night.

Was waiting for this.


But really, who doesn't have a folder of pics of you and your boys chillin and having a good time?

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I'm still holding out for Jeffery Dean Morgan returning as Doctor Hurt.

I want a DCEU Flashpoint movie with Jeffery Dean Morgan and Lauren Cohan as Batman and Joker respectively.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Lauren Cohan Joker would be scarier than Ledger.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

I honestly think that's why they cast her and Morgan. Both of them would be great in a Flashpoint adaptation imo.

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD
Sep 14, 2007

everything is yours
Lauren Cohan was cast specifically to be a smiling nightmare phantom. Makes me wish there was some actual stuff with Jena Malone as a smartassed teen Robin.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.
Wait, I thought that was Larry Clark's desktop.

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


K. Waste posted:

Wait, I thought that was Larry Clark's desktop.

Larry's not even that subtle, his desktop background would just be a close up of Chloe sevigny's crotch

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Rookie mistake.

You don't keep your "BOYS" folder on your desktop. You put it inside a folder labelled "BUSINESS DOCS."

New Folder
New Folder (2)
etc

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

I'm still holding out for Jeffery Dean Morgan returning as Doctor Hurt.

I don't think anyone involved has the balls to incorporate anything from Batman R.I.P. but if I'm wrong that might be what it takes to get me to see the Affleck Batman in the theater.

ThePlague-Daemon
Apr 16, 2008

~Neck Angels~

Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

For what is worth, the folder was simply labelled as "Boys"



Could be gay porn.

Leon Trotsky 2012
Aug 27, 2009

YOU CAN TRUST ME!*


*Israeli Government-affiliated poster

ThePlague-Daemon posted:

Could be gay porn.

Adrian Veidt, also known as Ozymandias (possible homosexual)

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
The thing is Veidt is right in Watchmen his actions are acceptable because the entire human race would die. He's literally a real superhero where as Dr Manhattan is simply superhuman. The film is a coming of age story for God and the superhero.

The whole point is " Grow up"

That's the whole point, the world's not black and white and people with real courage make hard decisions.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

Most mass murderers throughout history have viewed their actions as acceptable.

SuperMechagodzilla
Jun 9, 2007

NEWT REBORN

Hollismason posted:

The thing is Veidt is right in Watchmen his actions are acceptable because the entire human race would die. He's literally a real superhero where as Dr Manhattan is simply superhuman. The film is a coming of age story for God and the superhero.

The whole point is " Grow up"

That's the whole point, the world's not black and white and people with real courage make hard decisions.

Actually, he's a billionaire who killed millions of people to protect his company.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Bedshaped posted:

Doomsday represents the transformation and empowerment of workers.

Hollismason posted:

The thing is Veidt is right in Watchmen his actions are acceptable because the entire human race would die. He's literally a real superhero where as Dr Manhattan is simply superhuman. The film is a coming of age story for God and the superhero.

The whole point is " Grow up"

That's the whole point, the world's not black and white and people with real courage make hard decisions.
I can't tell who's just trolling in this thread anymore.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:

You're being flip but that's still the whole idea. It could shoot bubbles, but nobody is fooled by what a guy who dresses up like Dracula and drives around in a tank is there to do and it sure as hell is not to responsibly diffuse a situation nonlethally.

Except Batman actually does this in 95% of his appearances, so it's not crazy at all to assume that Batman is there to diffuse a situation non-lethally. After a certain point criminals try to get smart... "You ain't foolin' me, Bats. Everyone knows you don't kill people" followed up by a closeup sneer of something along the lines "There are much worse things than death", although I would love if he borrowed a line from Aladdin 2, "You'd be surprised what you can live through"

This stuff writes itself people

SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Aug 26, 2016

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Actually, he's a billionaire who killed millions of people to protect his company.

Only capitalism can save the world.


Veidt was Right.

The graphic novel has a more nuanced view of what he's done and what his motivation is.

The film he's a ultra capitalist.

His super power is capitalism.

Even then though that's taking a normative view of things.

It doesn't matter if you switch the train track to kill one customer over 5 though.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Aug 26, 2016

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010
I feel like I really have to disagree with the view that Watchmen's ending is ambiguous? Manhattan tells Veidt right to his face that the peace he brought won't last forever, and Rorschach's journal is in the hands of the public now. Granted, a conspiracy rag, but still.

Hollismason posted:

Only capitalism can save the world.

So the paradox is, that it's much easier to imagine the end of all life on earth than a much more modest radical change in capitalism.

Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Aug 26, 2016

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

SolidSnakesBandana posted:

"There are much worse things than death", although I would love if he borrowed a line from Aladdin 2, "You'd be surprised what you can live through"

But so you want him to torture people instead?

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

I mean it's not like fans of the BvS Batman need to choose between having a Batman who kills and a Batman who tortures.

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

Guy A. Person posted:

But so you want him to torture people instead?

"Interrogate"

Tezcatlipoca
Sep 18, 2009

Advanced interrogation techniques right?

SolidSnakesBandana
Jul 1, 2007

Infinite ammo

Tezcatlipoca posted:

Advanced interrogation techniques right?

I was thinking more like your basic snap 'n stab. They're classics for a reason.

Uncle Boogeyman
Jul 22, 2007

what I really want is a Batman who brands human traffickers so they get murked up in prison.

haha, kidding of course. even the most desperate 1990s comic book hack writer wouldn't go that far.

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Martman
Nov 20, 2006

Karloff posted:

Bolded is the most telling part of your post. Why is Batman more lethal in a vehicle then he is in person? Why does his worldview and approach to criminals transform when he's in a plane from when he's on the ground?
Yes, that is my point. I am saying that Batman's actions are contradictory. I guess it is "telling" to bold a sentence that gives an example of that point.

quote:

But there's no unifying character concept there
Sure there is. Batman's behavior in the movie is inconsistent and illogical. Shooting people from an airplane or crashing into people with a car doesn't make him uncomfortable because it's less personal and doesn't remind him of the murder of his parents (the vision that haunts him constantly and drives a lot of his actions in the movie).

You can say that's fan fiction, but anything you say as to Snyder's intent (sacrificing the "wide scope" for the moment) is also made up. I do understand that it can seem weird for Batman to continue being problematic after he's had his Martha moment. But he's spent 20 years becoming a violent monster; he's not gonna turn into Adam West in a moment. The warehouse scene is satisfying because he finally has a goal that's actually good instead of actually working towards evil ends. But he still really really likes beating up criminals.

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