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Jerk McJerkface posted:find someone with an iPhone5 that has the latest updates that is happy with their phone's performance.
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I'm pretty unhappy they're dropping the Nexus 5 because I recommended it to my mother two years ago specifically as a low-cost phone that would be well-supported for a long time, since she doesn't replace phones very often.
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MikeJF posted:I'm pretty unhappy they're dropping the Nexus 5 because I recommended it to my mother two years ago specifically as a low-cost phone that would be well-supported and operating for a long time, since she doesn't replace phones very often.
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Aug 26, 2016 00:38
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butt dickus posted:They should be supporting it because their biggest competitor supports their devices for much longer. The iPhone 5 came out in 2012, was discontinued in 2013 and is still supported in 2016. Google also needs to put money into it because it keeps people in their ecosystem. Hardly anyone cares about updates to devices that old though. butt dickus posted:Comparing it to a 486 doesn't make sense, either. If the General Mobile 4G with a Snapdragon 410 (The same SoC as the 2015 Moto G if you'd like to compare benchmarks) is getting 7.0, the Nexus 5 with an 800 should be able to run it as well. You're missing the point of the comparison. MikeJF posted:I'm pretty unhappy they're dropping the Nexus 5 because I recommended it to my mother two years ago specifically as a low-cost phone that would be well-supported for a long time, since she doesn't replace phones very often. No one should recommend any Android device if they're hoping for iPhone levels of update support. This was even more apparent 2 years ago when you recommended a 1 year old phone.
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Thermopyle posted:Hardly anyone cares about updates to devices that old though. iphone support? What do they promise, exactly? That you'll get the ios downgrade update on time, every year? lol
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Aug 26, 2016 00:42
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Ozmiander posted:iphone support? What do they promise, exactly? That you'll get the ios downgrade update on time, every year? lol I'm not sure what they promise, I'm just going by the fact that it gets brought up in this thread that older devices get the latest iOS...
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Aug 26, 2016 00:43
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Thermopyle posted:I'm not sure what they promise, I'm just going by the fact that it gets brought up in this thread that older devices get the latest iOS... When my Nexus 5 got M, it actually got FASTER. Never heard that about anyone's old iphone.
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Thermopyle posted:Hardly anyone cares about updates to devices that old though. Except the Nexus line always had. Galaxy Nexus got 4.3. Nexus 4 got Lollipop. Google has always keept the last two Nexus phones up to date until now. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Aug 26, 2016 01:02
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Thermopyle posted:Hardly anyone cares about updates to devices that old though. Thermopyle posted:You're missing the point of the comparison. Thermopyle posted:No one should recommend any Android device if they're hoping for iPhone levels of update support. This was even more apparent 2 years ago when you recommended a 1 year old phone.
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It's worth mentioning for the iPhone 5 that though that model was discontinued in 2013, the iPhone 5c uses essentially the same internals and was discontinued in Sept of last year. That absolutely factors into the support plans. If the N5 had continued to be sold by Google until last fall, it also be getting continual support from them through Sept of 2017. iPhone 5 support is essentially 'free' at this point since they need to continue supporting the iPhone 5c.
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Aug 26, 2016 01:10
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Ok then, the 4S from 2011 received 5 years of OS updates.
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butt dickus posted:Ok then, the 4S from 2011 received 5 years of OS updates. We're just going in circles.
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Thermopyle posted:Hardly anyone cares about updates to devices that old though. Your experience here is skewed. I'd say the vast majority of my clients are using iPhone 5 or 5s, a much smaller number have the 6 and even less 6s. I still see one or two iPhone 4 a month. If you're a person who keeps a phone for more than 2 years (most people) the android ecosystem is a nonstarter.
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I keep phones for an average of like 6 months or less. Hotsauce is my inspiration.
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aside from this thread I've never encountered a single person whose life was consumed with worry over the upgrade future of their phones, yet held on to them like it was their first born child's blanket. i mean jesus christ i'm at almost 3 and a half years on my HTC One but I don't say a prayer every night hoping the Good Lord Above will magically deliver me Nougaty goodness.
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MikeJF posted:Except the Nexus line always had. Galaxy Nexus got 4.3. Nexus 4 got Lollipop. Google has always keept the last two Nexus phones up to date until now. The only reason why your 2 generation math works is the 2016 Nexus devices aren't released yet. The prior two generations of nexus devices are the N6 and the 6p/5x and they are getting N. Just because the paint isn't dry yet on the 2016 nexus devices doesn't mean that the 6p/5x are current generation. They aren't. Galaxy Nexus was released in 2011. Its max Android Version (Jelly Bean) was released in 2013. Nexus 4 was released in 2012. Its max Android Version (Lollipop) was released in 2014. Nexus 5 was released in 2013. Its max Android Version (Marshmallow) was released in 2015. It's been very consistent and this generation is not breaking with it. Nexus devices max out at the major version revision released 2 years after the device and then they max out with security updates to that major revision until 1 year after cessation of sales (which usually means 3 years after release.) Yes, that's 2 years fewer support than Apple devices. If you are going to keep a device beyond the 3 year mark and you are concerned about security, then you should probably buy Apple. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Ozmiander posted:When my Nexus 5 got M, it actually got FASTER. Never heard that about anyone's old iphone. I envy you. My 5 has developed about a half second of latency responding to presses. I assume it's from the two cracks across the screen or damage to the PCB. It's been through a lot and started it's life as a white Nexus that worked, and now it's a black Nexus with a cracked screen, Bluetooth drains the battery in a few hours even when not in use, the GPS quantizes location to about 100m, the microphone doesn't work when on speakerphone, and the volume down button is going out like the power button did (replaced). I was kind of banking on a new device in the next month, so I hope I don't have to wait much longer.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I keep phones for an average of like 6 months or less. Hotsauce is my inspiration. I change phones every six months because T-Mobile is pretty loving great. And I'm totally torn on the Galaxy Note 7. On one hand, it's an amazing looking phone with some fun/potentially useful features that the iPhone doesn't (and probably will never) have. On the other hand, well, you need the other hand to hold the Note 7. Also is there any way to change the screen density of the Note 7? Everything seemed comically large on the unit they had at Best Buy.
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lelandjs posted:I change phones every six months because T-Mobile is pretty loving great. There is UI size scaling options yes, mine looks normal/small, I'm guessing the display model may have been enlarged?
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CLAM DOWN posted:There is UI size scaling options yes, mine looks normal/small, I'm guessing the display model may have been enlarged? I actually hopped into the display settings to check and there was a larger/smaller setting, but it was already set to small. Could be that I've just forgotten how large app icons and things usually are on smartphones, I've had my iPhone SE set to the iPhone 6's resolution since I jailbroke it a month ago. [Edit: just changed my SE back to the resolution it's supposed to be and oh yeah okay the Note 7's UI elements are the same size, I'm just a sperg that wants as much stuff on then screen as possible] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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butt dickus posted:Says who? People in this thread who buy one or more phones per year? Look at the most popular Android phones over time and tell me that people are weighing update longevity heavily in their purchasing decisions. butt dickus posted:Then what is the point? The age? A 486DX2 purchased in '92 could run Windows 98. I'm not expecting 6 years of updates but I don't think 4 years of updates and 5 years of security patches is unreasonable for a device released with a state-of-the-art processor by a company who designs the operating system and works closely with the SoC vendor. The point is that a phone that is old will not be running the latest operating system updates just like a PC that is old will not. What makes a phone old is not the same thing that makes a PC old. It's like dog years. butt dickus posted:This I can agree with, but I wish that wasn't the case. It will continue to be the case until the phone hardware platform matures to the point the PC market did say 25 years ago or so. And it took the PC decades to get the point where it was the norm that you could install a new operating system on a PC that was many years old. uPen posted:Your experience here is skewed. I'd say the vast majority of my clients are using iPhone 5 or 5s, a much smaller number have the 6 and even less 6s. I still see one or two iPhone 4 a month. If you're a person who keeps a phone for more than 2 years (most people) the android ecosystem is a nonstarter. I'm saying most people don't heavily weigh update longevity/frequency when purchasing a new device. Your post sounds like you think you're contradicting me, so either you don't understand what I was saying or I don't understand what you're saying.
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butt dickus posted:They sold it to Lenovo. butt dickus posted:Multiple languages simultaneously? I see people complain about that last one a lot. Star War Sex Parrot posted:My mom only today replaced her Galaxy S3 with a Note 7. I'm not even sure what version of Android it was still on. I'm guessing Jelly Bean. Regarding updates, I think their importance is a bit overblown in this thread (security updates aside). There hasn't been anything that fundamentally changes the way you use your phone in an Android update for years now. I couldn't care less if I get updates on the very same day they're launched, as they just tend to break poo poo, as long as the device isn't immediately abandoned by the manufacturer like my old Droid Maxx was. As to why Google doesn't support the Nexus as long as the iPhone, they really have no incentive to. They're not in the game to move Nexus hardware and most Nexus users are die hard loyalists who will buy the next one regardless.
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Samsung and Verizon have successfully trained my friend to hate getting updates since every one they send seems to break whatever his current phone happens to be (I think it's an S6 now, but he had an S3 that seemed to give him nothing but trouble - no, I don't understand why he bought another Samsung, either).
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I hope Netflix decides to add multi window support soon. Tried it out with YouTube and Play Video, and it's exactly what I want from the feature. 
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Is there any real technical reason why it has to be supported? Why can't the phone just tell the app half the screen is all the screen?
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MikeJF posted:Is there any real technical reason why it has to be supported? Why can't the phone just tell the app half the screen is all the screen? For this use case anyway, the app needs to know that it is in a specialized situation where it shouldn't force landscape orientation.
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MikeJF posted:Is there any real technical reason why it has to be supported? Why can't the phone just tell the app half the screen is all the screen? It would probably freak out and break.
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MikeJF posted:Is there any real technical reason why it has to be supported? Why can't the phone just tell the app half the screen is all the screen?
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Tunga posted:Having an app actively running on the screen that isn't the current focus of the user requires some specific logic if you want it to continue to do things. This one would particularly apply to video players. Or even little things like music players not updating the progress bar when the other pane has "focus."
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You'd tell both apps they have focus when they're on screen. I don't see any hard limitations as to why you wouldn't be able sandbox an app so that it thinks that this is the entire screen and it's front and centre. Worst thing is that you might have to reboot the app when changing the 'screen' resolution.
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So today I got to uninstall whatsapp because I couldn't accept the new user agreement. They want to sell my number and send me ads? No thx, it's just a messaging app. Welp back to SMS with most of my friends since I don't use facebook either. Why all good things must come to an end? I'd have gladly paid even 10€/year from whatsapp for it to stay aids-free.
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I don't use whatsapp but I believe you could have just scrolled down and unticked the box that lets them do that
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Skarsnik posted:I don't use whatsapp but I believe you could have just scrolled down and unticked the box that lets them do that You can opt out of the personalized advertising, but not of the sharing your phone number with Facebook. It's probably useless anyway, because they likely just share your whole address book, and you can't be sure that every single person that has your number has opted out as well. e: At least that's how I'm reading this: quote:How do I choose not to share my account information with Facebook to improve my Facebook ads and products experiences? Tamba fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Tunga posted:Why would you need to interact with the bottom window when you're typing into the top window? I suppose for the same reason you might want any other two windows side-by-side. Let's say you're texting your idiot friends while watching Netflix, per the example on android.com. However, doing so means you have to squish two apps on top of each other on a hand-sized display. I don't think that is ideal as, given the input issue and the fact that apps are significantly, well, squished, you're making usability worse. Of course there's not a gun held to your head; but just because it's an option doesn't make it a good, useful option, especially if using it comes with an asterisk saying 'yeah, you can use this, but you may as well not bother if you're going to input text'.
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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Skarsnik posted:I don't use whatsapp but I believe you could have just scrolled down and unticked the box that lets them do that Yeah, just let the knife be in your leg. It stops bleeding soon and isn't even that harmful since it didn't hit any veins, you'll get used to it. Until they start twisting it and then finally repeatedly stab you in the chest, and in the end there's only a bloody mess left of what used to be you 
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MikeJF posted:You'd tell both apps they have focus when they're on screen. I don't see any hard limitations as to why you wouldn't be able sandbox an app so that it thinks that this is the entire screen and it's front and centre. Worst thing is that you might have to reboot the app when changing the 'screen' resolution. spincube posted:Of course there's not a gun held to your head; but just because it's an option doesn't make it a good, useful option, especially if using it comes with an asterisk saying 'yeah, you can use this, but you may as well not bother if you're going to input text'. Tunga fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Does anyone have any experience with Citrix Worx? From the description given at work, the admins can supposedly wipe everything on the phone, to include cloud accounts and storage. If that's true, is there any way to sandbox the thing like Nine does with Exchange?
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lol Samsung giving you some great iris scanner options, almost as good as the font choices.
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