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Safety Dance posted:You absolutely can die from two hours' exposure if you were dunked into the ice cold north Atlantic first. Yeah, but that's not what I said. The whole point of having enough lifeboats is that you don't get dunked into the ocean in the first place.
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Sagebrush posted:Yeah, but that's not what I said. The whole point of having enough lifeboats is that you don't get dunked into the ocean in the first place. Apologies, I thought you were talking in the context of the Titanic. Modern lifeboats, you stand a much better chance.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83wqTkDYwOo why? because everyone needs 1300+ unreliable HP in order to safely tow a bass boat
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buttcrackmenace posted:why? Are you really making GBS threads on people DDing 1300hp vehicles? Are you sure you weren't trying to get to pet island? This is AI. A lot of those regular cab trucks run mid 8s. That dodge probably runs mid 9s in between explosions and still gets 20mpg highway.
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MrYenko posted:Titanic was significantly more advanced than any other commercial liner in service at the time, in terms of safety features, and many, if not all steel ships had similar metallurgy problems. poo poo, the United States was losing Liberty ships thirty years later due to brittle fractures, because the metallurgy still wasn't understood. Didn't they also fail to properly seal the bulkhead doors?
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The doors sealed fine as far as I remember. The problem was that the bulkheads didn't go all the way to the top of the ship and maybe they didn't close the doors fast enough. Once enough water got in to start pulling the front of the ship down, the water line went above the bulkheads and started pouring into the other sections.
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Cojawfee posted:The doors sealed fine as far as I remember. The problem was that the bulkheads didn't go all the way to the top of the ship and maybe they didn't close the doors fast enough. Once enough water got in to start pulling the front of the ship down, the water line went above the bulkheads and started pouring into the other sections. Yeah, that's what I just read too, they had 'escape' ladders to the top of the deck. Nothing ruins watertight like a giant hole.
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One of the more ironic things about Titanic is that due to the design of her watertight compartments, she may have survived had the crew done nothing, and simply rammed the iceberg head-on. Damage to the first two or three compartments would probably have been survivable. (She was designed to survive flooding in the first four, but the actual damage incurred was across the forward six compartments.)
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Travel is too risky, obviously what we need to do is for everyone to stay at home and never leave. Everything should be made out of memory foam.
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MrYenko posted:One of the more ironic things about Titanic is that due to the design of her watertight compartments, she may have survived had the crew done nothing, and simply rammed the iceberg head-on. Damage to the first two or three compartments would probably have been survivable. (She was designed to survive flooding in the first four, but the actual damage incurred was across the forward six compartments.) The original "head on would have been better than small overlap" collision.
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Sagebrush posted:Well since it's 1912, there's a constant stream of merchant and passenger shipping going back and forth nearby, usually within sight of a signal flare and certainly within radio range. True, except for the aforementioned "unless you went for a swim in single digit temperatures in the dark first" clause. Also remember that until a few years before, it was basically assumed if you didn't get found quickly by someone who saw your flares, you were hosed. Grade-A with a capital F hosed. Because radio had only been invented very recently (Marconi's first successful demonstration took place 11 years earlier) and as I recall, some nearby ships that could have rescued a lot more people just didn't have anyone in the radio shacks at the time, so they had no idea anything happened. Surviving shipwrecks far from any sort of land/island is really an "only happened in the last 100 years" sort of thing. MrYenko posted:One of the more ironic things about Titanic is that due to the design of her watertight compartments, she may have survived had the crew done nothing, and simply rammed the iceberg head-on. Damage to the first two or three compartments would probably have been survivable. (She was designed to survive flooding in the first four, but the actual damage incurred was across the forward six compartments.) Came here to say this. Also, the top of the compartments being open isn't really a killer as long as the walls go "high enough". It's not like the water's getting pumped in, it's just leaking in, if you can survive 4 compartments flooding (the titanic had 16, and could float with 4 flooded), that means the water will flow into those ones until it is equal with the waterline outside. As long as the compartment walls are taller than the adjusted waterline without the buoyancy of those 4 compartments to keep the ship upright, they don't need to be sealed. The issue is that they sideswiped the iceberg and ripped open 6 compartments, thus dooming the ship because six is more than four. If they'd hit head-on it probably only would have breached 2-3, or if they'd managed to steer slightly further away from the iceberg, or if the rivets and plate hadn't been the brittle garbage steel available at the time, fewer compartments might have been breached.
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kastein posted:True, except for the aforementioned "unless you went for a swim in single digit temperatures in the dark first" clause. If you have enough lifeboats for everyone, people don't need to end up in the water. Because there are enough lifeboats for them to get into. That is my entire point.
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Sagebrush posted:If you have enough lifeboats for everyone, people don't need to end up in the water. Because there are enough lifeboats for them to get into. And I completely agree, I'm just explaining why it wasn't really much more than an afterthought at the time, because, well, those people are all gonna die before anyone comes to save their asses anyways, unless they get lucky and someone saw the flares or happened to barely hear their CQD (not SOS at the time) call on the sparkgap radio transmitter.
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I think it's a given that when a boat is sinking, some percentage of the people on the boat are going to end up wet from the flooding or jumping off the ship to avoid some other horrible death, and will then need scooped out of the water by people in lifeboats. Even with a boat exposure is a concern.
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Sagebrush posted:If you have enough lifeboats for everyone, people don't need to end up in the water. Because there are enough lifeboats for them to get into. That's why I love the navy. You're going in the water before you get into a life boat.
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xzzy posted:I think it's a given that when a boat is sinking, some percentage of the people on the boat are going to end up wet from the flooding or jumping off the ship to avoid some other horrible death, and will then need scooped out of the water by people in lifeboats. This. Boats don't usually just orderly settle into the depths.
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iwentdoodie posted:That's why I love the navy. You're going in the water before you get into a life boat. The Navy has no life boats, just rafts. Safety is for civies.
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EightBit posted:This. Boats don't usually just orderly settle into the depths. Modern lifeboats are sealed.  Yes, some people are gonna get wet from flooding on the ship etc. and some unlucky people will fall overboard, but it's not like "lol at least 50% of you are gonna have to hang on to the ropes on the side and hope you don't turn into a meat popsicle" as it was in the past.
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I think you mean "at least 50% of you won't be bashed to death by a crewman with an oar because you were trying to climb onto a full lifeboat."
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kastein posted:And I completely agree, I'm just explaining why it wasn't really much more than an afterthought at the time, because, well, those people are all gonna die before anyone comes to save their asses anyways, unless they get lucky and someone saw the flares or happened to barely hear their CQD (not SOS at the time) call on the sparkgap radio transmitter. Titanic’s radio operator started with CQD, but then alternated “CQD” and “SOS”. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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Sagebrush posted:Modern lifeboats are sealed. Well, and the idea is even if the boat is in a VERY heavy storm, its so sealed that you are not at risk of foundering.
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One of the axles in my V70 got a little shorter today. It must have broken while I was parking it at work this morning, since I found this chunk sitting on the ground in front of the car - I'm a little freaked out but I'm really glad it failed at low speed. I made a 120-mile round trip last night to pick up some parts, and it could have been a lot worse if it had broken on the highway. 
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This all made me curious, and the new mega cruiseliner lifeboats weigh 44 tons loaded and carry 370 people each. At what point does a lifeboat need lifeboats?
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And why not make the cruise ship out of whatever they make the lifeboats out of? Bunch of dummies!
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I'm telling you, just attach a big parachute to the plane itself!! Is anyone listening to me?!! I miss Jack Handey
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Data Graham posted:I'm telling you, just attach a big parachute to the plane itself!! Is anyone listening to me?!! Make the plane out of airline peanuts!
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zundfolge posted:One of the axles in my V70 got a little shorter today. It must have broken while I was parking it at work this morning, since I found this chunk sitting on the ground in front of the car - I'm a little freaked out but I'm really glad it failed at low speed. I made a 120-mile round trip last night to pick up some parts, and it could have been a lot worse if it had broken on the highway. 
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Data Graham posted:I'm telling you, just attach a big parachute to the plane itself!! Is anyone listening to me?!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAwET3Q9Og4 Dicks the frame pretty good, but beats death.
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Powershift posted:At what point does a lifeboat need lifeboats? When it sinks. Duh.
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Lime Tonics posted:
The ability some people have to just turn up the radio and ignore the signals life is sending them will never cease to amaze me.
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http://jalopnik.com/truckload-of-airbag-parts-explodes-en-route-to-takata-p-1785826917quote:Truckload Of Airbag Parts Explodes En Route To Takata Plant, Killing Woman Inside Her Home  
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Lime Tonics posted:
What do you mean I need new shocks?
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Lime Tonics posted:
Someone is scratching that trucks belly.
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I'm having trouble accepting that's not an Onion story
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 The Titanic never actually sunk though, the ship that sunk was the already damaged Olympic for the insurance money. While I don't give it any credence, it's a fun theory to think about anyway. I hope someone can explain why it's implausible. Also holy poo poo that truck explosion. As if Takata didn't have enough (deserved) bad press.
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Lime Tonics posted:
I would not be caught dead driving next to/behind that.
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kastein posted:And I completely agree, I'm just explaining why it wasn't really much more than an afterthought at the time, because, well, those people are all gonna die before anyone comes to save their asses anyways, unless they get lucky and someone saw the flares or happened to barely hear their CQD (not SOS at the time) call on the sparkgap radio transmitter. I thought the idea with the Titanic was that the North Atlantic was so full of ships that the lifeboats would really just serve to transport people from the stricken ship to the rescuing ship. There was, in fact, controversy that a nearby ship should have responded to its flares (and could have responded well before it sunk) and the like, but didn't roust the radioman to find out what was going on.
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nm posted:There was, in fact, controversy that a nearby ship should have responded to its flares (and could have responded well before it sunk) and the like, but didn't roust the radioman to find out what was going on. There's actually a theory that mirages caused by freak atmospheric conditions may have both casued the Titanic lookouts to not be able to spot the iceberg until it was too late, and prevented the crew of a nearby ship from seeing either the Titanic itself or its distress flares. The Smithsonian Channel made a documentary about this titled "Titanic's Final Mystery" that's on Netflix.
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