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cenotaph posted:The eugenics wars and WW3 were probably more believable when they were written. There are still people who see WW3 looming every time Putin sneezes.
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cenotaph posted:The eugenics wars and WW3 were probably more believable when they were written. I dunno, between Trump and Putin, the whole "ah, think god we're not distressed about the end of the world anymore like in the 60s and 80s" feeling has worn off for me.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:There are still people who see WW3 looming every time Putin sneezes. Fuckin' ECON, man!
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I've just found a massive plot-hole in Star Trek. On stardate 46379.1 the USS Enterprise D arrives at Deep Space Nine "to assist in the reconstruction of the Bajoran aqueduct systems, damaged during the Cardassian occupation". The exterior view of the Enterprise docked at an upper pylon is shown in both the DS9 episode "Emissary" and in the Next Generation episode "Birthright, Part I". However, in the TNG episode Bajor is nowhere to been seen. Both episodes take place before the station was moved closer to the wormhole by order of Major Kira in "Emissary, Part II"
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Aug 29, 2016 00:04
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Well, pack it in, guys. That plot hole has rendered Trek utter poo poo and retroactively destroyed any enjoyment I've ever taken in the franchise.
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That's because the entire planet of 'Bajor' is the product of anti-cardassian propaganda
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Aug 29, 2016 00:07
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Easy. The shot in Birthright takes place at a different time, perhaps a few hours later, at which point DS9 has rotated so that Bajor is behind the camera rather than in front of it. 
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Wait, Birthright Part 1 (Stardate 46578.4) takes place way after Emissary Part 2 (Stardate 46379.1).
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Tunicate posted:That's because the entire planet of 'Bajor' is the product of anti-cardassian propaganda It exists, but the occupation was drummed up by the Federation as an excuse to give the Bajorans, who secretly control the Federation, their own planet.
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Railing Kill posted:Of all of the near-future (well, at least at the time) stuff in the Trek timeline (Eugenics Wars, WWIII, etc.), the Bell Riots seemed like the most plausible to me. It feels like the most likely scenario to come to pass, even forgiving the sci fi tech involved in some of the other scenarios. People are just so goddamn stupid and small-minded and fall for authoritarian hucksters all the time. That, paired with how we are hurtling toward a post-labor global economy in a lot of places, so all of that is going to make things lovely one way or another. Some US cities have already tried penning-up homeless people in the last few years. The Sanctuary District was the first thing I thought of when I read about it. I've been saying for years that poo poo is going to happen. It's a near certainty at this point
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(((Bajorans)))
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Data Graham posted:(((Bajorans))) 
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funny way to spell posted:I've just found a massive plot-hole in Star Trek. On stardate 46379.1 the USS Enterprise D arrives at Deep Space Nine "to assist in the reconstruction of the Bajoran aqueduct systems, damaged during the Cardassian occupation". The exterior view of the Enterprise docked at an upper pylon is shown in both the DS9 episode "Emissary" and in the Next Generation episode "Birthright, Part I". However, in the TNG episode Bajor is nowhere to been seen. Both episodes take place before the station was moved closer to the wormhole by order of Major Kira in "Emissary, Part II" Boy I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder.
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Aug 29, 2016 00:24
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Kin posted:I guess that's more of Star Trek i'd actually like to see. gently caress going back to ToS era, stick with post DS9/Voyager, but have some nice character rich storylines exploring parts of the Star Trek universe we don't really see, like the very fringes of Federation space where poo poo is a little bit wilder.
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Data Graham posted:(((Bajorans))) lol unrelated, "The Conscience of the King" is really really good. Does Riley ever pop up again? He was kind of fun in his appearances.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:lol I think that and Naked Time are his only appearances, at least of any significance. Conscience of the King is one of those dark horse episodes that people never really talk up but it's great. It's obviously a recycled script from Have Gun Will Travel or something (the whole eyewitness thing makes no sense once audio tape and photos are widespread, let alone in the 23rd century), but it's really well performed by everyone.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I would like to see a post-VOY series that explores some of the species we've run into in ST but barely know anything about. Like the Breen, Gorn, Tholians, etc. Post Dominion War AQ would be interesting since you have a destroyed Cardassia, and changed alliances. There is a natural instinct towards wanting to see more and to fill in the blanks in an expanded universe, but there is an appeal to the principle of keeping some things-like the Gorn and Tholians-episodic. Gives a sense of a bigger universe with millions of different adventures. lovely old Gene edict or not, "don't give us pitches about anything from The Original Series" makes sense. (this was immediately undone by Gene himself with The Naked Now, but still)
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Pakled posted:Easy. The shot in Birthright takes place at a different time, perhaps a few hours later, at which point DS9 has rotated so that Bajor is behind the camera rather than in front of it. Data Graham posted:(((Bajorans))) also (((Ferengi))) etc
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Gaz-L posted:I think that and Naked Time are his only appearances, at least of any significance. Conscience of the King is one of those dark horse episodes that people never really talk up but it's great. It's obviously a recycled script from Have Gun Will Travel or something (the whole eyewitness thing makes no sense once audio tape and photos are widespread, let alone in the 23rd century), but it's really well performed by everyone. I loved "Conscience of the King" when I was watching TOS for the first time a little while back. I counted it at or near the beginning of that run of classic episodes in the middle of season one. Tighclops posted:I've been saying for years that poo poo is going to happen. It's a near certainty at this point I'm ready to eat the rich.  I made a hasty costume for a time travel-themed Halloween party a few years back. It consisted of a clip-on lanyard with an ID card in it. I made a "Sanctuary District C" badge with the government logo on it and stuff. It looked real official. The printed name was "Benjamin Sisko," which I crossed off and wrote "Gabriel Bell" under it with Sharpie. That was it. The badge and logo did look pretty rad for something I threw together in five minutes, but it was otherwise as low-effort as I've ever put into a costume. I wish I still had it, otherwise I'd post a picture. It was sitting in my desk drawer for a couple of years, but I think I threw it out recently.  Data Graham posted:(((Bajorans))) hahahahahaha oh poo poo the insanity of the 2016 election has breached the Trump Thread! Other threads are at risk! *warning klaxons* 
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funny way to spell posted:I've just found a massive plot-hole in Star Trek. On stardate 46379.1 the USS Enterprise D arrives at Deep Space Nine "to assist in the reconstruction of the Bajoran aqueduct systems, damaged during the Cardassian occupation". The exterior view of the Enterprise docked at an upper pylon is shown in both the DS9 episode "Emissary" and in the Next Generation episode "Birthright, Part I". However, in the TNG episode Bajor is nowhere to been seen. Both episodes take place before the station was moved closer to the wormhole by order of Major Kira in "Emissary, Part II" I understand this is a joke, but if that was a real camera set up like that Bajor wouldn't be in frame most of the time unless the station rotates.
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Trent posted:Definitely this. It's almost like they put the line in Season 7 just to explain this. There is really no reason for DS9 to rotate that I can imagine, but Ezri says she can feel it rotating in the space sickness episode. DS9 rotates all the time though? Look at the background stars on any scene on the station with a window (Sisko's office is a good one) and you'll see the stars moving across.
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Trent posted:Definitely this. It's almost like they put the line in Season 7 just to explain this. There is really no reason for DS9 to rotate that I can imagine, but Ezri says she can feel it rotating in the space sickness episode. I think Exri was feeling something that wasn't necessarily there, like space vertigo or something. If I go up high enough on a ladder, I can "feel" it moving while it's stationary. There are reasons to rotate a space station though (which DS9 seems to do). Maybe they want to keep the paint fading evenly or not have one hot side and one cold side or maybe it keeps quantum bullshit from interfering with the subspace horseshit. Also, even if DS9 was kept in a fixed orientation relative to Bajor (like the ISS is with Earth), the Enterprise could just be docked on a different pylon.
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It rotates so everyone gets a nice view, you derps. It rotates because it can.
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Even if the station doesn't rotate, Bajor would not stay in the same place from the point of view of someone looking out a window.
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Unless we're saying 'not rotating' as in tidal lock.
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Keep in mind it's just a show, you should really just relax
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What's worse is how hosed up the scale is. Look how absurdly huge DS9 must be.
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Wowbagger2004 posted:What's worse is how hosed up the scale is. Look how absurdly huge DS9 must be. Nothing next to Spacedock. Or Yorktown. It was built to process the entire planet's slave ore output, it's allowed to be big. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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If they had space pirates or bounty hunters or poo poo, I hope they'd do something novel than just Hardman Leatherjacket and his buddy/rival, Basicallyhans Olo. Like the Tosk, that was a novel concept, and there was plenty of weird poo poo right in the old school TOS area. Like aliens of the basically-human stripe who are all trying to be loud flashy battlers against each other even though the stakes are something like "become president" or "secure resources for my family." Like if Kirk ran into the Hunger Games or something. That would have an interesting premise, and it would also call back to an actual moral issue, that of interventionism - just what the gently caress are they supposed to do about this bullshit situation?
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I went to this magic card store and was talkin' shows and guys there were like "DS9 is the worst Trek, we love Dr. Who" I probably shouldn't go there anymore
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Gammatron 64 posted:I went to this magic card store and was talkin' shows and guys there were like "DS9 is the worst Trek, we love Dr. Who" I've met multiple (!) people who say that DS9 is the worst Trek and Voyager is the best.
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I could see someone maybe thinking that DS9 is the worst if their brain is completely broken and they think "they aren't even on a spaceship so they can't even explore" and I guess they've never even seen DS9. To think that Voyager is somehow the best inexcusable.
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Pakled posted:I've met multiple (!) people who say that DS9 is the worst Trek and Voyager is the best. I have heard this several times as well. There really is no accounting for taste.
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One friend of mine says DS9 is better, but he'd rather watch Voyager. Which is very strange.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:One friend of mine says DS9 is better, but he'd rather watch Voyager. Which is very strange. The Seventh Seal is a better movie than Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, but usually I'd rather watch Bill and Ted.
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I can see people not liking DS9 because they're dumb and don't like serialized political intrigue or whatever. Comparing Voyager to TNG though, I can imagine people just find Voyager to be more "comfortable" somehow. Like it's got a more balanced cast and feels more like a "family", what with the matriarch figure and the various crew members behaving more like sitcom rivals and supporting characters than military or science officers. Voyager people aren't into "sci-fi", even by the loose definition of it that TNG fits into; they're into broad character drama and the chemistry between people like the Doctor and Seven. TNG is more something you have to sit down and "get into". Voyager is more detached, something you can dip into and out of without any real commitment to paying attention to it.
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McNally posted:The Seventh Seal is a better movie than Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure Look at this bullshit opinion right here.
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