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Cojawfee posted:I think we've taken it too far nowadays though. If TNG were on today, Locutus would be a season long villain which is far too long. Even back when I first watched DS9 all the way through (instead of catching random episodes during its first run), I was kind of surprised the Dominion only held DS9 for ~6 episodes instead of spending the whole season doing that plot (which also would have been too long).
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skasion posted:Nana Visitor was loving Avery Brooks I don't think that's true. I've not seen that before and Avery Brooks has been married for 40 years at this point.
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:I'm sure I've heard wronger opinions than this, but at present I can't think of any. Did you hear the way they talked on that show?
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Aug 31, 2016 11:25
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Babylon 5 had fantastic plotting and abysmal dialogue. Or often, monologue, as the characters walk around practically giving speeches to the camera.
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Aug 31, 2016 11:26
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And as I said earlier, by "writing" I mean "the words that we the audience hear," which are bad and are delivered by mostly mediocre actors.
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Aug 31, 2016 11:28
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JMS and another writer teaming up to co-run a show could've made something amazing, really, if JMS stuck to the big picture and the other writer polished the lines. Pity it's probably much too late.
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MikeJF posted:Babylon 5 had fantastic plotting and abysmal dialogue. Or often, monologue, as the characters walk around practically giving speeches to the camera. Or when they have to remind the audience that there's a big war going on. So you'll get lines like "It's really serious now that the Shadows have gone on the offensive and taken over dozens of planets, plunging the alliance into a major conflict and sowing division between the members!" There was a line like that given by Ivanova and I lost my poo poo.
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Oh wow...Strange Horizons just published the only review of Star Trek Beyond that anyone needs to read. It's a bit of a gag, sure, but it's one of the few things I've read that articulates why none of these reboot movies have ever worked for me.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Oh wow...Strange Horizons just published the only review of Star Trek Beyond that anyone needs to read. It's a bit of a gag, sure, but it's one of the few things I've read that articulates why none of these reboot movies have ever worked for me.  Holy poo poo.
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Met posted:I don't think that's true. I've not seen that before and Avery Brooks has been married for 40 years at this point. They had an affair.
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She called him Mr Brooks.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Oh wow...Strange Horizons just published the only review of Star Trek Beyond that anyone needs to read. It's a bit of a gag, sure, but it's one of the few things I've read that articulates why none of these reboot movies have ever worked for me. 
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This guy gets it. Another trek nerd trying to be edgy and say the movie is garbage. All the movies are overacted garbage with lame plots, that's what makes them Star Trek movies.
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Marshal Radisic posted:Oh wow...Strange Horizons just published the only review of Star Trek Beyond that anyone needs to read. It's a bit of a gag, sure, but it's one of the few things I've read that articulates why none of these reboot movies have ever worked for me. A BIT of a gag? Jesus Christ, if this writer were more up his own rear end, he'd disappear into a subspace rear end bubble.
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I mean it's a fun read, but... Does he actually remember when any of the shows was on? DS9? TNG? Movie after movie? Even TOS? It was no golden age. All those iconic moments he's illustrating to make his points are from episodes that people gave C grades and movies that were panned. It's only in retrospect that anything attains any kind of stature.
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That may be one of the wankiest things I've ever read. It's awful.
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Cojawfee posted:This guy gets it. Another trek nerd trying to be edgy and say the movie is garbage. All the movies are overacted garbage with lame plots, that's what makes them Star Trek movies. I was about to argue with you but then I counted. Even if you say 5 of the original movies are great (which is being generous), there are still more lovely Trek movies as there are good ones at this point.
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Lowen SoDium posted:I was about to argue with you but then I counted. Even if you say 5 of the original movies are great (which is being generous), there are still more lovely Trek movies as there are good ones at this point. I decided to go through all the movies TMP: Lame Plot TWOK: Overacted garbage TSS: Lame Plot TVH: Lame Plot TFF: Overacted garbage and lame plot TUC: Overacted garbage Generations: Lame plot FC: Overacted Garbage Insurrection: Lame Plot Nemesis: Overgarbage actplot ST09: Lame plot STID: Lame Garbage and overacted plot STB: A good movie
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Cojawfee posted:I decided to go through all the movies I did the same thing. TMP: Not Star Wars TWOK: Not Star Wars TSS: Not Star Wars TVH: Not Star Wars TFF: Not Star Wars TUC: Not Star Wars Generations: Not Star Wars FC: Not Star Wars Insurrection: Not Star Wars Nemesis: Not Star Wars ST09: Not Star Wars STID: Not Star Wars STB: Star Wars
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Sorry, but ST09, ID, and Beyond are all star wars.
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WampaLord posted:A BIT of a gag? Look at the line below the copyright notice. I liked it. It had lots of callbacks. I like callbacks.
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Aug 31, 2016 15:58
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Cojawfee posted:I decided to go through all the movies complaining about overacting in a space opera is like complaining about getting beef when you order a hamburger
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:complaining about overacting in a space opera is like complaining about getting beef when you order a hamburger Now that you mention it, why isn't it called a beefburger?
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WickedHate posted:Now that you mention it, why isn't it called a beefburger? Oh my god. Because it comes from Hamburg.
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My grandmother once told me a story about being in England in the... late 20s? early 30s? and getting excited about trying this new 'hamburger', and then being bitterly disappointed that it was 'only a ground beef sandwich'.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh my god. Because it comes from Hamburg. No, it was invented by a little old lady in Leningrad.
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WampaLord posted:No, it was invented by a little old lady in Leningrad. You're thinking of scotch. And dancing. And fire.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh my god. Because it comes from Hamburg. I'm just saying, if a vulcan crashlanded here tomorrow, they'd find it, ahem, most illogical that our hamburgers do not contain ham. 
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I really kinda wish that Picard and the Enterprise-E would have showed up at some point in the Dominion War so we could have both crews teaming up, but they probably correctly guessed that Picard would steal all the thunder. Likewise, I think First Contact should have had Sisko as Picard's foil, because of his history with Wolf 359 and his dislike of Picard. Have them butt heads and be rivals of sorts and more or less have Sisko replace the character of Lily. "The line must be drawn HEAH! NO FURTHER!!!" is a great scene I love, but imagine how much better it would have been if Sisko was the one yelling "BLOW UP THE drat SHIP PICARD!" From Kirk to Picard and so on, each Captain has her or her own strengths, and Sisko is the best when it comes to yelling at people.
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WickedHate posted:I'm just saying, if a vulcan crashlanded here tomorrow, they'd find it, ahem, most illogical that our hamburgers do not contain ham. From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee!
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee! sorry I don't recognize shakesphere what do you think I am some kind of nerd???
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It's true, the effect just isn't the same unless it's in the original Klingon.
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WickedHate posted:I'm just saying, if a vulcan crashlanded here tomorrow, they'd find it, ahem, most illogical that our hamburgers do not contain ham. What do they know... They can't even get mint right.
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Gammatron 64 posted:if Sisko was the one yelling "BLOW UP THE drat SHIP PICARD!" The Sisko might have just kicked Picard's rear end at that point, if he was really endangering the whole future. I wonder how the Prophets feel about time travel like that.
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Somehow Nick Meyer put together a workable script for WoK in 10 days after nobody else could get one to work. And he managed to turn in a better one than any other ST movie to date.
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WickedHate posted:I'm just saying, if a vulcan crashlanded here tomorrow, they'd find it, ahem, most illogical that our hamburgers do not contain ham. Also, these so-called steamed hams are clearly grilled.
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Oh my god. Because it comes from Hamburg. How could american beef come from Hamburg? Trent posted:
There is a time travel orb.
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Also frankfurters are not made from guys named Frank 
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Data Graham posted:Also frankfurters are not made from guys named Frank They were at least 45% before those drat safety regulations. Thanks a lot, FDR.
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Gammatron 64 posted:"The line must be drawn HEAH! NO FURTHER!!!" is a great scene I love, but imagine how much better it would have been if Sisko was the one yelling "BLOW UP THE drat SHIP PICARD!" That'd be a pretty satisfying scene, given that Picard hates the Borg for making him a Borg and Sisko hates Picard for having been a Borg. Sisko finally letting go of his desire for revenge would be a good trigger for Picard to realize he needs to do the same. Although "See ya around, Ahab." is pretty good, too.
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