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The Dems are, and should be, very actively welcoming Jesus freaks of all kinds who actually give a poo poo about their fellow man regardless of their beliefs, circumstances, and/or appearance.
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It's true. Look at the Clinton camp's strong anti-Muslim rhetoric and anti-abortion stances.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:17
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Shbobdb posted:The whole Hillary campaign has been going balls to the walls Jesus freak and it makes me very uncomfortable. She is playing up both her and Kaine's religion, but it's positive interpretations of Christianity that they're focusing on. Social justice and compassion and charity, not the sort of things you see from the Right like the prosperity gospel and judgement and Christian identity.
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Wanting to punish your political rivals is a bad instinct people need to get over.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:18
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Shbobdb posted:The whole Hillary campaign has been going balls to the walls Jesus freak and it makes me very uncomfortable. Sorry....what? What on earth are you talking about? Are you some kind of Amazing Internet Atheist who freaks out about any positive mention of religion?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:19
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Ogmius815 posted:Sorry....what? What on earth are you talking about? Are you some kind of Amazing Internet Atheist who freaks out about any positive mention of religion? The person you are quoting has argued that stabbing people is an accepted form of free speech so I wouldn't worry too much.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:20
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Pakled posted:positive interpretations of Christianity ...is probably a phrase that should be avoided.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:21
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This is the kind of thing I'm seeing from my Mexican friends about the Trump/Pena meeting:  From what I can tell, if Pena wants to turn this into a boon for his popularity he's gonna need to seriously Chaos Dunk on Trump or else he's just going to be tied to him and dragged down.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:21
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No less than Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Jimmy loving Carter have all personally emailed me saying the config campaign is way behind on its find raising goal and if they don't reach that fundraising goal tonight we're all hosed.
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greatn posted:No less than Tim Kaine, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Jimmy loving Carter have all personally emailed me saying the config campaign is way behind on its find raising goal and if they don't reach that fundraising goal tonight we're all hosed. The what campaign?
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Aug 31, 2016 17:23
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Shbobdb posted:The whole Hillary campaign has been going balls to the walls Jesus freak and it makes me very uncomfortable. lol Her party's not the one trying to repeal Johnson Amendment.
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It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:24
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Ogmius815 posted:Sorry....what? What on earth are you talking about? Are you some kind of Amazing Internet Atheist who freaks out about any positive mention of religion? He is yes. He's an opiate of the masses type.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:25
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/health/indiana-lead-contamination/ Lol the same EPA administrative division, Region 5, is who hosed up in Flint hahahahahahahahahaha everything sucks and is terrible
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Pakled posted:She is playing up both her and Kaine's religion, but it's positive interpretations of Christianity that they're focusing on. Social justice and compassion and charity, not the sort of things you see from the Right like the prosperity gospel and judgement and Christian identity. And I can assure you that, speaking as someone who goes to a left-wing Christian church, it's been going over very well. There's a lot of frustration and even a bit of real anger in left-wing Christian denominations and churches over how Christianity in the public media means Tea Party, White Lives Matter, and Westboro Baptist. It's part of why Tim Kaine has been going over so well with Hispanics, at least down here in Florida. Here's America's grandpa who speaks Spanish fluently, has done legit missionary work in poor countries, is a practicing Catholic, and draws a distinct line between what he believes religiously and what he believes is best governance. That last bit is very important for a lot of people.
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Shbobdb posted:It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me. What are your thoughts on third wave feminism?
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Cythereal posted:And I can assure you that, speaking as someone who goes to a left-wing Christian church, it's been going over very well. There's a lot of frustration and even a bit of real anger in left-wing Christian denominations and churches over how Christianity in the public media means Tea Party, White Lives Matter, and Westboro Baptist. It's also why I think Mormons are getting a bit more accepted and not viewed as that "weird cult out of Utah" anymore. A few issues not withstanding (LBGTQ in particular stands out), they are very generous, do legitimate mission work, and believe that treating the unfortunate with respect will work out better in the long run than viewing them as scum of the earth. Having one of them as one of the two people who could also potentially make it into the Oval Office also helps.
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Shbobdb posted:It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me. your posts feel real icky to me
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Shbobdb posted:It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me. I see a distinction between the sort of left-wing Christianity that Clinton and Kaine are advocating and the ideology of the religious right. Clinton and Kaine's brand of Christianity is all about their religion informing their values, which in turn leads to policies that foster fairness and inclusiveness, whereas right-wing Christianity is more about their religion's laws applying directly to government policy based on a literal, or at least more strict, interpretation of the Bible.
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loving atheists, man.
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Yeah uh it's perfectly OK to follow whatever religious beliefs you want so long as they are not used for oppression. Darn that first amendment.
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SSNeoman posted:What are your thoughts on third wave feminism? I think it can be a little too post-structuralist, its greater inclusivity to racial and sexual minorities represents a great improvement on the more rigid second wave platform. However, I always thought that Hillary "Pants Suit" Clinton was generally considered an emblematic second wave feminist.
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Shbobdb posted:It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me. This is really stupid, hth
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Discussing Atheism and Politics makes me uncomfortable. Whenever I think of atheism now all I can think of is TheAmazingAtheist, hot oil and a a banana.
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Aug 31, 2016 17:41
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Shbobdb posted:It may be a Pavlovian response, but religion in politics makes me pretty uncomfortable. I understand there has to be some lip service for the rubes but the seemingly sincere religious language of the Hillary campaign (as contrasted with Bill and Obama's lip service) feels really icky to me. Obama can quote and discuss Niebhur from memory and at length. Dude is pretty Christian.
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Shbobdb posted:The whole Hillary campaign has been going balls to the walls Jesus freak and it makes me very uncomfortable. whoops, you forgot to not be stupid
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Pakled posted:I see a distinction between the sort of left-wing Christianity that Clinton and Kaine are advocating and the ideology of the religious right. Clinton and Kaine's brand of Christianity is all about their religion informing their values, which in turn leads to policies that foster fairness and inclusiveness, whereas right-wing Christianity is more about their religion's laws applying directly to government policy based on a literal, or at least more strict, interpretation of the Bible. Most left wing Christians I know keep a gun and a Bible by their bedstand for the same reason: they hope they never have to use it but it's there in case of an emergency. Clinton's more active Christianity feels like an appeal to a poisoned brand to me.
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Shbobdb posted:Most left wing Christians I know keep a gun and a Bible by their bedstand for the same reason: they hope they never have to use it but it's there in case of an emergency. Clinton's more active Christianity feels like an appeal to a poisoned brand to me. you're right, the country is doomed the day we elect a Christian president
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BrandorKP posted:Obama can quote and discuss Niebhur from memory and at length. Dude is pretty Christian. Yeah, privately. Aside from some lip service or when he was demonstrating that he's not a secret muslim it wasn't "in your face" like it is in the Hillary campaign. "Vote for me because I love Jesus" is not something a democrat should be saying at the national level. It's gross.
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Shbobdb posted:Most left wing Christians I know keep a gun and a Bible by their bedstand for the same reason: they hope they never have to use it but it's there in case of an emergency. Clinton's more active Christianity feels like an appeal to a poisoned brand to me. What's wrong with a gun and a bible? Did they accidentally leave them out and you saw them?
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I'm pretty sure Christianity is a brand that is still going strong in America.fits my needs posted:Discussing Atheism and Politics makes me uncomfortable. Whenever I think of atheism now all I can think of is TheAmazingAtheist, hot oil and a a banana. That's actually our new logo.
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fits my needs posted:Discussing Atheism and Politics makes me uncomfortable. Whenever I think of atheism now all I can think of is TheAmazingAtheist, hot oil and a a banana. That sounds like a very painful kink
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theflyingorc posted:you're right, the country is doomed the day we elect a Christian president I appreciate this post.
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, privately. Aside from some lip service or when he was demonstrating that he's not a secret muslim it wasn't "in your face" like it is in the Hillary campaign. "Vote for me because I love Jesus" is not something a democrat should be saying at the national level. It's gross. How loving stupid are you? Obama has bee openly and explicitly Christian on many occasions, and that's not even close to the Clinton campaigns pitch.
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WoodrowSkillson posted:http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/health/indiana-lead-contamination/ The government, ladies and gentlemen.
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, privately. Aside from some lip service or when he was demonstrating that he's not a secret muslim it wasn't "in your face" like it is in the Hillary campaign. "Vote for me because I love Jesus" is not something a democrat should be saying at the national level. It's gross. It might matter to understanding all of his foreign policy actions that he is a Christian Realist. It's a big loving deal.
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Shbobdb posted:Yeah, privately. Aside from some lip service or when he was demonstrating that he's not a secret muslim it wasn't "in your face" like it is in the Hillary campaign. "Vote for me because I love Jesus" is not something a democrat should be saying at the national level. It's gross. What's wrong with loving Jesus?
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/Complex_Sports/status/771019362966921216 Holy loving poo poo. Rae Carruth is a legitimate monster. I love the NFL but I hate the ownership so much.
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BrandorKP posted:Obama can quote and discuss Niebhur from memory and at length. Dude is pretty Christian. He also knows all about Ka-Zar and Conan and other 70s comics stuff.
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