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AMorePerfctGoonion posted:Biases are like being crazy. If you're sane enough to wonder whether you are crazy or not, you almost certainly aren't. Similarly if you are self-reflective and thoughtful enough to consider your own biases, you're most likely one of the few members of America's ever-dwindling reality-based community I mean there's no question I'm biased, but I try to be as aware as possible of them and try to put them aside. Still, I can't listen to a Trump speech and accurately determine how it's landing with his supporters because it all sounds like insane racist rantings to me. Also the fact that I view Trump as an existential threat to human kind means, to me, that both-sides-ism is helping bring about the end of mankind. "Meteor, Humans Sound Off on Twitter"
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awesmoe posted:Some of them will do actual journalism regardless (and currently are), some of them will never ever do that. However, it is good for your society (not good for hillary clinton, but for your country) for there to be a habit and expectation of the president being open and available to the press. Again normally I would agree with you, but until the Clinton rules apply to everyone else, the best thing she can do is to never talk to them.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:So it turns out that if you've ever clicked through that "Non Disclosure Agreement" so you can volunteer for Trump, you've agreed to never say a bad word about Trump, any member of his family, his businesses or his family's businesses for the rest of your life. Well, first, who would ever have anything bad to say about Trump and anything associated with him
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Sep 2, 2016 16:07
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zoux posted:I mean there's no question I'm biased, but I try to be as aware as possible of them and try to put them aside. Still, I can't listen to a Trump speech and accurately determine how it's landing with his supporters because it all sounds like insane racist rantings to me. A Trump presidency scares me as an extinction-level-event, but Trump supporters scare me more - people who are literally staring at the asteroid hurtling towards them and putting up lawn signs to welcome its arrival. I feel like we're living in some deranged experiment in group psychology that makes the results of Milgram and Zimbardo look like good news about the human psyche. Hopefully the people in white coats will come out at any moment and we'll all have a big laugh together and tell each other how we got so fooled into believing it was real...
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Sep 2, 2016 16:07
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Shillary posted:Again normally I would agree with you, but until the Clinton rules apply to everyone else, the best thing she can do is to never talk to them. The hilarious part is how Trump hasn't reacted by warmly inviting the press, and instead antagonizes and demonizes them as much as possible. Yet another giant lost opportunity that is so INCREDIBLY obvious.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:07
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Like, why was birtherism dropped as a campaign issue? Why has the press allowed that to go completely unchallenged since he got in the race? I get why the Clinton campaign doesn't raise it, they might see some vulnerability there because it can be tied back to pro-Clinton supporters from 2008. But the press?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:09
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zoux posted:Like, why was birtherism dropped as a campaign issue? Why has the press allowed that to go completely unchallenged since he got in the race? I get why the Clinton campaign doesn't raise it, they might see some vulnerability there because it can be tied back to pro-Clinton supporters from 2008. But the press? They would really rather the race was a little closer. Why do you think we've seen a bajillion 'TRUMP IS MAKING A COMEBACK WE SWEAR PLEASE ARZY' articles lately?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:12
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zoux posted:Like, why was birtherism dropped as a campaign issue? Why has the press allowed that to go completely unchallenged since he got in the race? I get why the Clinton campaign doesn't raise it, they might see some vulnerability there because it can be tied back to pro-Clinton supporters from 2008. But the press? Because of the fiction of objectivity. They confuse objectivity with BOTH SIDES HAVE EQUAL VALUE AND MERIT. They're also wickedly afraid of being called Bias.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:14
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zoux posted:Like, why was birtherism dropped as a campaign issue? Why has the press allowed that to go completely unchallenged since he got in the race? I get why the Clinton campaign doesn't raise it, they might see some vulnerability there because it can be tied back to pro-Clinton supporters from 2008. But the press?
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Sep 2, 2016 16:14
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Honestly I find the idea of a vast and concerted media conspiracy to make the race as close as possible to be ridiculous.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:The hilarious part is how Trump hasn't reacted by warmly inviting the press, and instead antagonizes and demonizes them as much as possible. Yet another giant lost opportunity that is so INCREDIBLY obvious. It's a cult-right thing because they believe that (((jews))) own the media and use it to encourage immigration, race mixing and the dreaded "political correctness". Declaring outright war on the entire press is actually a dog whistle to white nationalists as well as being a rationalization of the fact that Trump will almost certainly lose in a big way, just like the accusations of vote rigging.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:17
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Trollbama called dibs on birtherism and will use it at the best moment.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:18
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zoux posted:Honestly I find the idea of a vast and concerted media conspiracy to make the race as close as possible to be ridiculous. It's not vast and concerted. It's more like 'Oh no, Clinton is only up 6!' type clickbait. Also, for a better explanation, birtherism is something we've dealt with it for 8 years, so the media probably assumes people aren't being drawn by it anymore. Not that this explains them continuing 25 year old assaults on Clinton.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:20
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Nevvy Z posted:Speaking of Garrison Keillor: quote:You wanted Mike Bloomberg to invite you to dinner at his townhouse. You wanted the Times to run a three-part story about you, that you meditate and are a passionate kayaker and collect 14th-century Islamic mosaics. You wish you were that person but you didn't have the time. Garrison Keillor is a national treasure.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:22
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PhazonLink posted:Trollbama called dibs on birtherism and will use it at the best moment. That would own.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:23
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iospace posted:Nope! The oppo binders have only been cracked open a couple times, the most recent was a collection of Trump's thoughts on Mexico. referencing poo poo that happened during the election isn't even oppo work
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Sep 2, 2016 16:24
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PhazonLink posted:Trollbama called dibs on birtherism and will use it at the best moment. I think that already happened. Or at least I can't think of a better time than when he was stuck on camera getting roasted at the correspondants' dinner.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:25
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It's important that the burden of responding to sexual harassment in the workplace fall upon the harassee.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:25
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Yeah, woman, can't you learn to take a joke? *slaps subordinate woman on the rear end*
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ComradeCosmobot posted:So it turns out that if you've ever clicked through that "Non Disclosure Agreement" so you can volunteer for Trump, you've agreed to never say a bad word about Trump, any member of his family, his businesses or his family's businesses for the rest of your life. quote:On Twitter, Sklar noted that the forms also bar volunteers from criticizing Trump’s brands, disclosing anything personal about Trump (including his taxes), or from even employing people who work for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. (That last one’s illegal, Sklar says.) amazing
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Sep 2, 2016 16:26
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zoux posted:Like, why was birtherism dropped as a campaign issue? Why has the press allowed that to go completely unchallenged since he got in the race? I get why the Clinton campaign doesn't raise it, they might see some vulnerability there because it can be tied back to pro-Clinton supporters from 2008. But the press? It's likely seen as an Old Story. That's just the best I've got - it flies right in the face of his "African American Outreach", and fits right in with his larger pattern of racism.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:28
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Sep 2, 2016 16:34
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Night10194 posted:They would really rather the race was a little closer. Plus Presidential election years for media companies are as Christmas for retailers, they need that money and they want it to keep flowing.
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Sep 2, 2016 16:36
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ComradeCosmobot posted:So it turns out that if you've ever clicked through that "Non Disclosure Agreement" so you can volunteer for Trump, you've agreed to never say a bad word about Trump, any member of his family, his businesses or his family's businesses for the rest of your life. what EDIT: 
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Sep 2, 2016 16:36
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*HRC Campaign Opens Oppo Research File, fingers through giant tome... hands one to Reporter* http://www.out.com/news-opinion/2016/9/01/mike-pence-wrote-article-urging-employers-not-hire-gay-people
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Sep 2, 2016 16:39
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WampaLord posted:I first read Chris Wallace as Chris Matthews and went chris matthews is the most entertainingly wrong man on television  we dont have a :ha!: with his face peekin out
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Crowsbeak posted:Duluth really needs some good Mexican food. Can I talk to Soros to let me vote twice? Duluth, MN or Duluth, GA? If Minnesota...uh, yeah. It's pretty grim trying to get good mexican food here. At least we can get Indian food and there's good Vietnamese to be had.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:*HRC Campaign Opens Oppo Research File, fingers through giant tome... hands one to Reporter* [professor voice]I suppose I can part with one and still be feared[/professor voice]
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Halman posted:Duluth, MN or Duluth, GA? Minnesota. Also is Clinton going to start pointing out all of Trumps bankruptcies?
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N00ba the Hutt posted:If you think this thread is bad now, just imagine what we'll be like next year at this time! quote:At meetings Thursday on the 14th floor of Trump Tower in Manhattan, the candidate’s top aides held the opposite view. They thought his tough talk on immigration — combined with a whirlwind trip to Mexico on Wednesday — had, in the words of one adviser, “won him the election.” Yes, yes, this is delicious. I haven't had anything this pure since...fall 2012?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:So it turns out that if you've ever clicked through that "Non Disclosure Agreement" so you can volunteer for Trump, you've agreed to never say a bad word about Trump, any member of his family, his businesses or his family's businesses for the rest of your life. surely that can't be legal, right? can you literally sign away your rights to criticize somebody for as long as you live? 
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:*HRC Campaign Opens Oppo Research File, fingers through giant tome... hands one to Reporter* Everybody read this, it's short and it's so much worse than you think. I thought it would be like "those whiny queers will sue you for saying 'fag' but no, gays are "not able-bodied" and riddled with disease.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Everybody read this, it's short and it's so much worse than you think. I thought it would be like "those whiny queers will sue you for saying 'fag' but no, gays are "not able-bodied" and riddled with disease. YUP! Pence is a vile, vile piece of poo poo.
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Like, after that NY Magazine article today, the entire press corps should be all over the Trump campaign about if/why/how long Ailes is a campaign adviser, they should be camped out at this Bedminster golf club where these advisory sessions go on to get pictures of Ailes going in and out, but the press seems to be content to let them simply deny what's happening
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If you didn't have time to crunch the numbers on yesterday's biggest headline, don't worry. The Washington Post has you covered. The national economic implications of a taco truck on every corner quote:The first question we must answer is how many trucks we're talking about. A corner is dependent on an intersection of street, a place where two roads meet or where one road turns. For the purposes of our thought experiment, we will assume that Gutierrez didn't mean a truck literally on every corner — that would be ridiculous. Instead, let's assume that he meant a truck at every intersection.
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TVarmy posted:Amazing. They think just calling mass deportation humane will win people over. When someone already firmly supports you, you don't have to give a good rebuttal to arguments against you, you just have to give a rebuttal. That's pretty much what's happening here, rather than actually trying to escape the accusations of racism, he's just giving his supporters something to help them rationalize away the accusations of racism. It's Trump's weak point in the general election - he focuses pretty much exclusively on people who already love him and makes little effort to reach out to voters who aren't already in those cheering crowds. Unlike his primary opponents, who fell all over themselves trying to steal away his crowds, Hillary's content to leave his base to him and take everyone else. Geostomp posted:What worries me is that Trump surrounding himself with equally racist yes-men is going to get him really believing in his "rigged election" stories and order the remaining true believers following him into full on terrorism after his failure. The Neo-Nazis aren't going to take their one last real shot burning out lightly and he's not likely to do anything to discourage them. We are likely looking at a good number of hate crimes at minimum beginning in November. I'm not so sure about that. The megaracists managed to go eight years under Barack Hussein Obama, black president extraordinaire, without causing much real trouble. And these were people who believed the system was so rigged that Obama wasn't even really eligible to be President. They're all bark, no bite. AMorePerfctGoonion posted:On the flip side, we've never seen a personality cult like Trump's in modern times, perhaps even since FDR. I've never known the supporters of a politician to care so little about their policies and to just trust them to do the right thing once in office like Trump supporters do. I'm sure the anti-immigrant rhetoric is a powerful motivator but even when Trump wavered on immigration his supporters stuck with him and justified that he was just pretending to pivot for the sake of the election. I wish I knew why he was so hypnotically effective at what he does. Perhaps it's because he is a wealthy person that people can imagine themselves being, because he doesn't alienate the uneducated by being too young or too smart or an expert at anything in particular. And when people are afraid they naturally tend to look to authoritative older men to protect themselves. The Trump personality cult reminds me quite a bit about the Ron Paul cult, actually, right down to the same behavior of completely ignoring the candidates' policies. In the case of Ron Paul, it was mostly because he espoused a lot of unique opinions not shared by anyone else in Congress, so if someone really liked one of his policies (like, say, "legalize weed") then they'd fixate so deeply on him that they'd completely ignore or rationalize everything else he said (like, say, "repeal the Civil Rights Act"). It's the same with a lot of Trump supporters - since he goes against the orthodoxy on things like trade and foreign policy and corporate money, they're willing to block out everything else he says, up to and including the specific details of those policies they like in the abstract. botany posted:surely that can't be legal, right? can you literally sign away your rights to criticize somebody for as long as you live? The real question is whether you're willing to pay a lawyer a lot of money to argue that in court when Trump sues you for it.
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