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Friendly Humour posted:Which TV? Weren't you Croat? It was Arte in this case. Fuckhead in question is apparently a journalist at Paris Match.
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Who said that poo poo Friendly Humour posted:Which TV? Weren't you Croat? Cat Mattress is a filthy Frenchman
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https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/771602845774688256 The possibility the Rebels may link up with forces stuck north of Homs has inspired the government to open a dam on the Orontes river. Fighting around Ibtta today. The truce between the Southern Front and the government is now at an end.
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Shageletic posted:This is going to turn out well. If Turkey say the Bob Crow brigade is advancing on them the British government will ask where to send the drones.
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Sep 2, 2016 21:18
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media getting to work on the narrative i see
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A White Guy posted:https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/771602845774688256 I doubt opening a dam would have much effect in a 100 degree desert. Might take out some farms, but besides that I don't see it significantly slowing advances. In comedy news: https://twitter.com/AsadSouria/status/771758706992091136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw "An engine malfunction caused the helicopter crash in Hama."
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rear end struggle posted:https://twitter.com/AsadSouria/status/771758706992091136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Well, engines do in fact malfunction when they hit the ground at 200 MPH.
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rear end struggle posted:I doubt opening a dam would have much effect in a 100 degree desert. Might take out some farms, but besides that I don't see it significantly slowing advances. Wonder how much of a bollocking that TOW team's cameraman is getting right now (especially if there did turn out to be someone important in there*). *Is that likely? Presumably you wouldn't risk a scarce helicopter to chauffeur someone expendable.
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Sep 2, 2016 22:22
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Some more comedy. The opposition has weaponized their drones. https://twitter.com/worldonalert/status/771821189450784768
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Kurtofan posted:Who said that poo poo The guy in the gray suit. Apparently his name is Gilles Martin-Chauffier.  He also said that the refugee camps in Italy were much better than the Calais jungle, despite having much more people in them, because they were managed by the mafia instead of the police.
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Sep 2, 2016 22:35
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Sep 2, 2016 22:47
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Ghost of Babyhead posted:*Is that likely? Presumably you wouldn't risk a scarce helicopter to chauffeur someone expendable. Pretty common for field commanders. Especially once they started using Gazelles again - small, quick, and nimble makes them perfect for moving between positions on a given front. Suheil Hassan is fond of this method (although it's unlikely he was on this particular one).
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Count Roland posted:Turkey has announced that Karimov, the long-time ruler of Uzbekistan, is in fact dead. so is it gonna fall apart like Yugoslavia now or just break out into various factions/ethinic groups trying to seize power. Brother Friendship posted:There has been an increasing number of deaths among ranking Iranians and Tiger forces in addition to the high body count of regular soldiers on both the Hama and Aleppo fronts. It seems that the regime has either run out of or cannot rely on cannon fodder and has been forced to expose it's elite units to the front line with obvious consequences. The regime only uses Hezbollah, Tiger, Republican Guard ect in a controlled manner (such as the Palmyra offensive, closing the encirclement around Aleppo or using sieges to crush rebels) but both Aleppo and Hama have thrown this method out the window. Once the elite forces start being drained it's basically a countdown until catastrophe for the regime because they're depleting their only mobile and professional force. so basicaly they have pissed away the lives of a ton of their men as well as the men various allied groups and now they are left with their elite groups that are pretty small?
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Ikasuhito posted:Some more comedy. The opposition has weaponized their drones. What are the blue dong looking things they're dropping? They don't explode or do anything it seems
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icantfindaname posted:What are the blue dong looking things they're dropping? They don't explode or do anything it seems One of them explodes, judging from the sudden fire that breaks out in the second video. My guess is that they could be repurposed autocannon rounds or 30mm AGL grenades. I'm trying to figure out how they're being dropped.
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Sep 3, 2016 02:27
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icantfindaname posted:What are the blue dong looking things they're dropping? They don't explode or do anything it seems I'm guessing there's like some fireworks or something. This seems more like a prank than an actual attack.
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Freakazoid_ posted:I'm guessing there's like some fireworks or something. This seems more like a prank than an actual attack. Yeah, I can see Ashton Kutcher down there laughing. It's his new series on Netflix.
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Sep 3, 2016 02:31
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Grouchio posted:How does one defend himself from a drone anyways? That's what I've actually been wondering about this drone footage, especially this one. Are those quadcopters that hard to see? I mean, we've had at least two cases where someone has spotted and shot down a drone, which weren't that different from the stuff being used in Syria. Why haven't we seen people shooting at drones. Of course, the obvious is that they are but this footage is from the ones that have returned. Now, the Aleppo footage could be explained in that people are too distracted to see the drone, but here, no one's looking up when there's obviously stuff starting to explode or impact around them.
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Young Freud posted:That's what I've actually been wondering about this drone footage, especially this one. Are those quadcopters that hard to see? I mean, we've had at least two cases where someone has spotted and shot down a drone, which weren't that different from the stuff being used in Syria. Why haven't we seen people shooting at drones. Of course, the obvious is that they are but this footage is from the ones that have returned. Now, the Aleppo footage could be explained in that people are too distracted to see the drone, but here, no one's looking up when there's obviously stuff starting to explode or impact around them. Do you see how high up these things are? I'd imagine they're nigh invisible and untouchable when finally spotted, though I'd love links to anything that's been done to see how hard it is to shoot down small drones.
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Sep 3, 2016 03:00
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Tons have been shot down over Ukraine. They even BUK'd one.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAFWIXRZYvo Which one of you is this?
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Grouchio posted:How does one defend himself from a drone anyways? Signal jamming. Either kill the command signal and/or jam GPS so it crashes, or jam the camera feed so it can't provide real-time information.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:so basicaly they have pissed away the lives of a ton of their men as well as the men various allied groups and now they are left with their elite groups that are pretty small? The entire war is an exercise in pissing away lives. From what I understand Iran essentially reforged the SAA once the rebels started receiving foreign backing by taking the vast stockpiles of armor and weaponry the SAA had accumulated and then dispersing them to various militias (NDF as a common force focused on local defense, Tigers as an elite force focused on key offensive and defensive actions). Combined with a legal decree that allowed private businessmen to create their own militias this swelled the numbers of fighters loyal to the regime but crippled its integrity as a cohesive armed force loyal to a central government because instead of the strict hierarchy of an army Iran replaced it something more analogous to the rebel forces, where small war bands control their own little fiefdoms and answer only nominally to the greater 'cause' to which they are pledged. Essentially what happened in both South Aleppo and Hama is that the local NDF charged with garrison duty failed in their duties to either prepare their defenses or hold them, which ripped a hole in Assad's lines and allowed the rebels to pour through. The only way to plug those holes is with the elite forces but that then exposes them to the casualties associated with front line fighting in contrast to their preferred method of using the NDF to hem in rebel forces and employ the elite soldiers only when victory can be assured through sheer advantage in firepower. It's impossible for us to determine what the actual fighting strength is of any of these factions. All we can tell is that everyone involved in this fighting is bleeding heavily and it's up in the air to determine who can afford it the least. Personally, I think the elite forces are just beefed up versions of the NDF with unknown loyalties that may crack and bend in unexpected ways when compared to a truly professional force. The elite forces (Tiger, Air force intelligence, Republican Guard, Hezbollah forces and Iranian army) losing their high ranking officers is a sign that they may be suffering losses they cannot easily replace. They could be well trained and deeply experienced professionals and products of a completely different era of Syrian history and you can't just recreate that in in a training ground. The more of these men they lose the more the elite forces become like everyone else in the war. RZApublican posted:I can't remember the name of the formation, but a few months ago when the regime tried to launch an offensive toward Raqqah ISIS beat them back so hard that one of the regime's special forces units completely disintegrated to the point that the government denied that it had ever existed. If Aleppo and Hama keep going the way they've been going for the regime we're probably going to be seeing a lot of division-level unpersoning in the near future. It was Orwellion as gently caress to see the loyalist media try to sweep aside any mention of the division that got wiped out. "No, we suffered no losses in the road to Raqqa. That division never even existed." It's one thing to die fighting in a war, but it's another to have you death swept into a dustbin because someone hosed up. You might like this: http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/2016/06/no-end-in-sight-failed-tabqa-offensive.html The offensive was composed of multiple, if not dozens segregated militias that lacked a cohesive command structure and I don't think the regime lost its elite fores in the Taqba offensive. Instead what I think happened was that a failure to secure their perimeter allowed ISIS's own elite fighters to bring in SBVIEDS and tanks right next to regime lines. When the elite forces realized their position they loving booked it and left the regular NDF forces to their own devices. This then caused a panic that ultimately routed the offensive forces and pushed them back all the way past their original positions. Could you imagine the marines abandoning army divisions in the middle of hostile territory like that? This is what I meant that the elite forces are just beefed up versions of the NDF and shouldn't be considered a regular professional force even if they are some of the most effective fighters in the war (any decent faction with material advantage and air supremacy can count itself as effective). I may be mistaken, but this may also be the most severe test of these units yet. Or at the very least in the past two years or since the outbreak of the revolution. Out of all the loyalist forces I would imagine that Hezbollah forces would fight as a the most professional and, if you saw some of the reports of out Southwest Aleppo as the rebels prepared for the breaking of the siege, you'd hear similar reports from the ground. The front would come under attack and only Hezbollah would hold its position, forcing them to suffer loses and still have to retreat under adverse conditions because the other fighters weren't strong enough to stand under fire. This is the key flaw in the loyalist strategy that allowed the rebels to creep so close to Aleppo in the first place.
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Grouchio posted:How does one defend himself from a drone anyways? Non military solutions (commercially available) include lasers, signal deprivation "guns" (that render the drone unresponsive and make it crash), drones armed with barbed nets and even fuckin birds of prey.
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Brother Friendship posted:You might like this: I actually have read that article before, and I highly recommend it to anyone else that might be curious about how the Syrian Army is dragging itself along after years of warfare. While the article itself is quite long and informative, this part in particular stuck out to me as being as the best summary of the regime's problems over the past year quote:This brings us back to the Tabqa offensive, where all of the points mentioned above in combination with a gross underestimation of the Islamic State's capabilities, poor planning, greatly exposed flanks and a lack of Russian support which was desperately needed to make such an operation succeed led to a veritable disaster. The funniest thing about this whole train wreck was when (if I'm remembering it correctly) one of the Syrian commanders involved in the operation publicly complained afterward about the lack of Russian air support. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Grouchio posted:How does one defend himself from a drone anyways? 
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RZApublican posted:
Which is one of the things mentioned in 'Why Arabs Lose Wars', after any catastrophic defeat it's the fault of Someone Else.
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CeeJee posted:Which is one of the things mentioned in 'Why Arabs Lose Wars', after any catastrophic defeat it's the fault of Someone Else. I really fail to see how this is a uniquely Arab quality.
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the JJ posted:I really fail to see how this is a uniquely Arab quality. It's not, but that's not the point. In the article, the author mentioned that this was a thing that happened regardless of whichever Arab country he went to - the officers blaming anything bad that happens on anybody but themselves. While this probably isn't a uniquely Arab quality, it certainly does shed light on the thinking of the nominal high command of the NDF if the fault of failed offensives isn't because piss-poor command structures, horrible troop quality, or terrible communication made it impossible for them to succeed. If the first reaction of your commanding officers is to blame failure on anything but themselves, your commanding officers will never learn. The lessons the SAA needed to learn to win this war were multiple, and despite 5 straight years of civil war where they've failed to best an opponent that on paper they should've crushed before the civil war, they still haven't learned them.
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Young Freud posted:One of them explodes, judging from the sudden fire that breaks out in the second video. My guess is that they could be repurposed autocannon rounds or 30mm AGL grenades. Probably an extra servo to release the bomb once triggered remotely. Our own goon hero Cy Brown hooked up a (tiny) rocket launcher to his plane for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWEbbUczrYQ
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Charliegrs posted:How the hell did a 12 year old British kid make it to the middle east to join ISIS? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...r-a7049066.html
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Looking on syriancivilwarmap.com, any idea what the rationale behind the recent Daesh offensive near Al-Ra'i is? Are they just picking someone they can beat up?
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1stGear posted:Looking on syriancivilwarmap.com, any idea what the rationale behind the recent Daesh offensive near Al-Ra'i is? Are they just picking someone they can beat up? I would say its more of a counterattack than an offensive. IS needs to have the Turkish border open to them so they can smuggle troops, supplies and oil across to keep the war effort going. As such its very important that they keep control of as much of the border as they can for as long as they can. It is an attack of necessity and desperation.
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the JJ posted:I really fail to see how this is a uniquely Arab quality. My impression is that Arab countries have very similar military cultures and organization. Ie, the importance of 'face' among commanding officers that severely punishes failures and demands that commanders seem invincible, hence the tendency to blame others and inability to cop to your own mistakes and learn from them. Some individual officers with a head on their shoulders might thrive in such an environment regardless, but it does lead to inability to properly evaluate real military capabilities when all the officers are (expected to be) so bloody minded bravados.
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Syria in a nutshell part 2 billion https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/772046351932780544
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Friendly Humour posted:My impression is that Arab countries have very similar military cultures and organization. Ie, the importance of 'face' among commanding officers that severely punishes failures and demands that commanders seem invincible, hence the tendency to blame others and inability to cop to your own mistakes and learn from them. Some individual officers with a head on their shoulders might thrive in such an environment regardless, but it does lead to inability to properly evaluate real military capabilities when all the officers are (expected to be) so bloody minded bravados. Show me a military officer corp that's a meritocracy rather than a corrupt system rife with nepotism and internal politicking, and I'll show you a green dog.
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Bit of movement in the Turkish invasion today: https://twitter.com/KyleJGlen/status/772059822976032768
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Volkerball posted:Show me a military officer corp that's a meritocracy rather than a corrupt system rife with nepotism and internal politicking, and I'll show you a green dog. I guess if you ignore scale completely and view everything as black and white, but that's a really dumb thing to do. I'm not sure why 'arab militaries tend to suck' ruffles so many feathers but the proof has kinda been in the pudding for the past century.
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