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It was probably a bit of "Hey, maybe Batman is that eccentric, jacked, billionaire weapons contractor that lives in the Gothic mansion on the outskirts of town?" too.
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Woah there's a webcomc I forgot existed. I think it had a lot of lovely cheesecake art? I read a lot of terrible things Wheat Loaf posted:Don't they imply in the second one that she suspects John Jameson is Spider-Man and only realises that he isn't when she re-enacts the upside-down kiss? Nah I always saw it as her realizing that she's can't marry a guy who's bad at kissing upside-down.
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Sep 2, 2016 22:19
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Lurdiak posted:I have no problem with that. Sometimes you can recognize someone just by a turn of phrase or actions that reflect their personal philosophy. Sure it's a little over the top in its Nolan-ness but I don't know why people had such a problem with it. It would be different if they established that he suspected and then from that moment put all of the VERY OBVIOUS pieces together. The look in his eyes felt like such a cheat. All of the JGL stuff in TDKR felt like lazy writing. Like his entire character was a giant cop-out.
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Eh, it kinda worked for me since from what I remember, it established how his character understood Bruce's feelings and why he does what he does from personal experience. It sounds really dumb when you stop to think about it, but it just wasn't enough to bother me. Really, I had more issue with how the final battle was just one big army of good vs a big army of evil. Felt just plain lame and too over the top for the general tone of those movies.
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I think I'm the only person on this forum who liked both ASM movies.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think I'm the only person on this forum who liked both ASM movies. I may very well have liked them. Hard to know, since I can't remember a single thing about either of them.
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Sep 3, 2016 02:32
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I always feel weird because though I absolutely cannot stand the first one, I thought the second one was a fun watch.
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I really could not get over what a creepy poo poo Peter Parker was. He was like Edward from Twilight levels of creep sometimes.
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ImpAtom posted:I really could not get over what a creepy poo poo Peter Parker was. He was like Edward from Twilight levels of creep sometimes. I don't think there was a single scene where he came across as likeable.
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BiggerBoat posted:I think I'm the only person on this forum who liked both ASM movies.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think there was a single scene where he came across as likeable. Yet some people really liked Garfield. Says a lot about them I guess.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yet some people really liked Garfield. Says a lot about them I guess. Garfield did a good job with a badly written role. I would have liked to see him try Peter Parker in a film not dominated by Peter being a poo poo and RICHARD PARKER.
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I know I saw the first ASM but I can't remember a single thing about it. I somehow escaped seeing the second one entirely.
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I remember laughing really hard at PROPERTY OF PETER PARKER and enjoying the Stan Lee cameo.
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There were some interesting and good decisions with ASM's costume designs and visuals. Garfield and Stone were more interesting than Dunst and McGuire. It was also a bold move to cast Willam Dafoe in both the Raimi movies and ASM series. The writing, supporting cast, and weird plot decisions really dragged both movies (especially ASM2) down. There were some very good scenes and nuggets of good ideas, but not a cohesive movie. BvS also had bad writing, editing, and strange plot contrivances, but it had a strong supporting cast and unique visual style. It has low lows, but a couple of decent highs. ASM was just largely forgettable and middle of the road.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yet some people really liked Garfield. Says a lot about them I guess. 
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ImpAtom posted:Garfield did a good job with a badly written role. I would have liked to see him try Peter Parker in a film not dominated by Peter being a poo poo and RICHARD PARKER. But they say he is the Peter Parker, which I can't see on pure performance alone. Big Mean Jerk posted:I know I saw the first ASM but I can't remember a single thing about it. I somehow escaped seeing the second one entirely. It's because everything, from the writing to the acting to the directing, is bland as hell. The second one is all those things plus convoluted.
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CharlestheHammer posted:But they say he is the Peter Parker, which I can't see on pure performance alone. Well to be fair at the time his only competition with Tobey McGuire. I think most people are pretty happy with Tom Holland from what we've seen so far though.
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I honestly find Tom Holland a little bit bland, emote-wise. I think Maguire is understandably a better actor and Garfield is way more expressive. I can see Holland fits the mold of the dew-faced overburdened-yet-idealistic Peter Parker that they're building, though.
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To be fait Tom has only been in a movie his character was shoe horned into for a little bit. So I will at least give him his own feature length shot.
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Sep 3, 2016 02:56
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I don't know why someone at Sony was really into doing stuff with Peter's parents. Characters who really don't matter in the grand scheme of things.
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Lurdiak posted:I don't think there was a single scene where he came across as likeable. I really liked the bit where he tried really hard to talk Electro down before the cop shot him and things went bad. Spider-Man attempting to bring in a criminal without having to punch him a bunch was straight out of a good comic to me. Outside of that, he does come off as a bit of a d-bag. I could not get over how bad the ending of ASM1 was. "Sorry Captain, but your daughter is hot and you're not here to stop me!"
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Sep 3, 2016 02:58
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Their favorite storyline was the robot parent one in the 90s obviously.
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CharlestheHammer posted:I like Toby better honestly. Now I know you're trolling.
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know why someone at Sony was really into doing stuff with Peter's parents. Characters who really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. They were obviously lifting that from Ultimate Spider-man, where Peter's dad's research and death under mysterious circumstances loomed large as a mystery early on in the series (until Bendis dropped it like he does with so many subplots). They just didn't do it in a way that made anyone give a poo poo. Rhyno posted:Now I know you're trolling. Even though his character acted like a giant rear end in a top hat in 3, Tobey's performance is pretty strong and very close to how I imagine Peter. He's no Christopher Daniel Barnes, but he's close.
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Rhyno posted:Now I know you're trolling. Peter, Harry, and Norman were cast and written well. Shame about MJ.
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I don't know what was wrong with Tobey as Peter Parker. James Franco as Harry Osborn was perfect, and I won't hear a word otherwise.
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He didn't quip, the most important Spidey trait!
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muscles like this? posted:I don't know why someone at Sony was really into doing stuff with Peter's parents. Characters who really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Someone at Sony fought to have the ending of Amazing Spider-Man 2 be Peter visiting his Dad's grave and then his Dad also shows up at his grave and tells him he's been in hiding. They literally stole the ending to Metal Gear Solid 4, a series known for ridiculous and so-stupid-it's-silly plot lines, and tried to make it serious and dramatic. Someone at Sony also thought there was demand for an Aunt May movie. The person IN CHARGE OF THE ENTIRE SPIDER-MAN PORTFOLIO at Sony thought this: quote:Spidey thought These are the people we're dealing with here. There is nothing too stupid for them.
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Roth posted:I don't know what was wrong with Tobey as Peter Parker. Honestly, was anyone poorly cast in the Raimi films? I mean, maybe Robbie, but he had like 6 lines. E: The Sony email leaks are proof eternal that yes, the people in charge of the thing you like ARE giant loving idiots who make the worst possible decisions with no logic behind it whatsoever.
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Lurdiak posted:Honestly, was anyone poorly cast in the Raimi films? I mean, maybe Robbie, but he had like 6 lines. Topher Grace as gently caress'S SAKE YES FINE I'LL PUT VENOM IN BUT I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT
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SonicRulez posted:Topher Grace as gently caress'S SAKE YES FINE I'LL PUT VENOM IN BUT I DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT I actually thought he was great casting, he just wasn't given anything to work with. I mean yeah yeah, classic Brock is huge and looks like he could headbutt a truck, but Ultimate showed that the character really doesn't need to be that way to work.
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Topher Grace was sublime in SM3. Him and James Franco were both absolutely great.
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Until he actually became Venom.
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Sam Raimi cast a really good Peter and Mary Jane. Just a shame it was five years later and in the roles of Eddie Brock and Gwen Stacy instead.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Someone at Sony fought to have the ending of Amazing Spider-Man 2 be Peter visiting his Dad's grave and then his Dad also shows up at his grave and tells him he's been in hiding. They literally stole the ending to Metal Gear Solid 4, a series known for ridiculous and so-stupid-it's-silly plot lines, and tried to make it serious and dramatic. I know I shouldn't be surprised, but drat. It reads like a loving Onion article.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I know I shouldn't be surprised, but drat. It reads like a loving Onion article. I worked as an assistant for production people in LA for a few years and the Sony stuff upthread is not even remotely uncommon. Almost every single person at that level is incredibly wealthy, petty, self absorbed, self assured, detached from what most people would consider reality, and frequently doing coke. It really is precisely as awful as you could ever fear.
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CharlestheHammer posted:He didn't quip, the most important Spidey trait! This, but unironically. It's weird how I was more giddy over seeing Holland's Spidey than I was with any of the Toby Maguire movies. There's something about all of the writing with him that was... what I wanted. It's difficult to explain.
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So far, I think Tom Holland has the capacity to be both a good Peter Parker and a good Spiderman. Waiting until his movie comes out to judge. He also annoys enemies by talking a lot, which is great and the most "Spiderman" trait I can imagine.
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