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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

forkboy84 posted:

I bet that story on the front of the Daily Mail isn't based in reality.

I just read the cover in a shop, according to the first paragraph it is a 10-page report about printers, but the bit about minorities is just one part - how long, I don't know - that ultimately concludes that there would not be any issue of discrimination. My own personal guess that it's a standard form document used for many purposes that includes a section on potential discrimination as standard and some guy in an office has just written a version of 'it's a bunch of printers so we'll probably be fine' in however many words are required.

An organisation the size of police scotland probably has a lot to print off, so I can't say I'm that concerned that somebody has been paid to think about printing for a ten-page span or so. I'm more surprised that the police pay people to think about issues relating to discrimination, amirite, amirite, hey-o

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Budgie
Mar 9, 2007
Yeah, like the bird.
Looking at that map of the most deprived areas is quite depressing, as pretty much every half decent house that I can afford is in at best an orange zone. There are even some nice looking ones in the deepest red areas but frankly I already knew they'd be red before seeing that map.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Budgie posted:

Looking at that map of the most deprived areas is quite depressing, as pretty much every half decent house that I can afford is in at best an orange zone. There are even some nice looking ones in the deepest red areas but frankly I already knew they'd be red before seeing that map.

For what it's worth, my flat is in an orange zone and it certainly doesn't feel like a deprived place, though it's the south side of Glasgow so it's right next to yellow and near some blue and that might be skewing things. My old (rented) flat is in the red and I really liked living there, but Govanhill is a bit unusual.

Niric fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Sep 1, 2016

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
I'm slap bang in the centre of Govanhill ground zero and it's fine except for the fly-tipping landlords, and absolute neglect of Glasgow City Council.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Today's front pages from the BBC

quote:

The front page of The Herald highlights a report which claims payday lending is "absolutely corrosive to mental health"among those who are already vulnerable.



A man who threatened to kill supermarket shoppers by lacing food with cyanide as part of a £2m blackmail plot is the splash in the Daily Record. The paper said David Ward was jailed for seven years for the crime.

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/340/cpsprodpb/04CE/production/_91003210_d7f84d4e-ebd2-4afa-a0d6-82679b389cfb.jpg

Meanwhile The National asks "How do we deal with the UK's debt?" on its front page. It claims a new report has found that independence could save Scotland up to £2bn a year.



A warning from leading business figures that a revived Scottish independence campaign would bring "fresh uncertainty"features on the front page of The Scotsman. In a letter to the paper, industry leaders say it would be "tantamount to a major breach of trust" with voters from the 2014 referendum.



On a similar theme, the Scottish edition of The Times reports that a new opinion poll shows that Scots voters do not want another referendum on independence before Britain leaves the EU.



The Inverness edition of the Press and Journal splashes with a story about a local IT consultant who has appeared in court charged with bigamy.



A story about the private life of former Rangers player Arnold Peralta makes the front page of The Scottish Sun. The 26-year-old footballer was murdered in a drive-by shooting near his home in Honduras in December last year.



A "smart blood test" which dramatically slows the spread of breast cancer is the splash in the Scottish Daily Mail.



And a story about model Daisy Lowe, a contestant in the new series of Strictly Come Dancing, makes the front page of the Daily Star of Scotland.



The national continues to be the dullest and least stylish of propaganda while the mail couldn't seem to decide which stock story to go with, so neatly divides the front page equally between (pictures of) THE (young female) ROYALS and CANCER.

The Star and the sun go with sex, naturally, and the lack of the express can only be down to loony left BBC bias (not to be confused with "anti-scottish" BBC bias)

Niric fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Sep 2, 2016

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

It should come as no surprise to anyone that the "report" mentioned on the cover of the National comes from everyone's favourite unhinged SNP front, the Common Weal, and that it isn't actually a report at all. It was written by their own "voluntary researcher", Dr Craig Dalzell, an unemployed laser engineer who has no background whatsoever in economics, politics or law.

In case you're wondering, the £2bn saving is based on an independent Scotland not taking on any of the UK debt - inevitably phrased as the UK refusing to give plucky wee Scotland any of the UK assets. Even the £800m is based on refusing to pay part of the debt because the evil UK withholds rightful Scottish assets.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Moving on to more important things than "what drivel is The National making up today?" that pun on the front page of The Sun is appalling. Cid-heir? gently caress off. I hope Rupert Murdoch loses all his money & whoever wrote that ends up unemployed when the Communist Party buys The Sun & merges it with the Morning Star.

Ash Crimson
Apr 4, 2010
So are we actually getting another Indy referendum?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Not for the foreseeable future, no.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Heads up on todays Twitter outrage.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Ok well that's just taking the piss.

EmptyVessel
Oct 30, 2012
Pretty sure that the earliest recorded use of the name is in England.

Yep - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haggis#History_and_etymology

And Macsween's have this to say -

quote:

The biggest myth of all, in a way, is that haggis belongs to Scotland alone. Haggis is actually a very ancient, global dish. Going back thousands of years, when hunters returned with their kill they would cook-up the parts of the animal that needed eaten first. The fresh offal would be chopped and mixed with cereal and herbs and cooked over the fire in the ready-made saucepan (the stomach). Hey presto – the first haggis. Many cultures actually had haggis made from different animals depending on what was being hunted and we like to think of haggis as the celebratory dish that everyone shared after the big hunt!

But mostly, who gives a gently caress if it tastes decent?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Anyone who thinks sticking a bunch of otherwise unappetising offal inside a stomach is a uniquely Scottish idea probably needs to get out a bit more.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I'm reminded of this.

Though I personally would much rather eat oats than haggis.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Wherever it has historically been eaten, English people tend to get grossed out at the mere mention of it, so they can gently caress off with this branding.
Mind you, I'm snooty enough about only eating it from certain local butchers.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I like sausage and black pudding, as well as liver, I've just not found a haggis that tasted very good, usually crappy meat and too much pepper.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Haggis is good, its basically a halfway house between sausage and burger that you can eat without teeth.

It properly owns bones with other things though, like Haggis on burgers or Balmoral Chicken.

Its weird it has this stigma as gross elsewhere though, if anything its a bit too bland.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I don't think it's the taste that puts people off it, it's the origin story

wimps

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Coohoolin posted:

Ok well that's just taking the piss.

Yeah wrapping something from one country up in the flag of another is bad

TheHoodedClaw
Jul 26, 2008

nopantsjack posted:

Haggis is good, its basically a halfway house between sausage and burger that you can eat without teeth.

It properly owns bones with other things though, like Haggis on burgers or Balmoral Chicken.

Its weird it has this stigma as gross elsewhere though, if anything its a bit too bland.

Haggis pakora is proper tasty fusion cuisine

TomViolence
Feb 19, 2013

PLEASE ASK ABOUT MY 80,000 WORD WALLACE AND GROMIT SLASH FICTION. PLEASE.

Haggis is shite and we all just pretend to like it. Also, I think it must be a viking import as the scandies have an excellent track record w/r/t making unappetising meals out of things most sane people become nauseous at the mere prospect of ingesting.

HappyCamperGL
May 18, 2014

Haggis is great and sane people don't have a problem eating offal.

Sion
Oct 16, 2004

"I'm the boss of space. That's plenty."

TheHoodedClaw posted:

Haggis pakora is proper tasty fusion cuisine

I saw that on the menu at a curry house a year ago and was like 'lmao that is just an awful thing lets get some ironically to laugh at it' and was then 'holy poo poo this is the best thing'

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

TomViolence posted:

Haggis is shite and we all just pretend to like it. Also, I think it must be a viking import as the scandies have an excellent track record w/r/t making unappetising meals out of things most sane people become nauseous at the mere prospect of ingesting.
Frankly, I think that's a general rule for humanity. I mean, even the oh so civilized Romans, with all their wealth, still made garum.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

TomViolence posted:

Haggis is shite and we all just pretend to like it. Also, I think it must be a viking import as the scandies have an excellent track record w/r/t making unappetising meals out of things most sane people become nauseous at the mere prospect of ingesting.

haggis is fantastic and you're wrong, but on your other point we came up with the deep fried mars bar so i think we're just as capable of culinary horrors as the next people group

vegetables
Mar 10, 2012

Haggis, haggis pizzas and haggis pakoras are all brilliant. Haggis burritos are an abomination.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
i really wanted to like haggis burritos but no dice. turns out there may in fact be a food in existence that does not go with salsa and guacamole.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Monday's front pages from stv

quote:

Here are all the stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday September 5.

The Herald reports more than 200 training jobs for GPs and hospital specialists in Scotland were left empty after a major national recruitment drive despite a rise in applications from junior doctors.

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/772557478026436608/photo/1

While The Scotsman leads with Theresa May's dismissal of the case for a second independence referendum - the Prime Minister insists Scotland will leave the European Union along with the rest of the UK.

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/772566763116466176/photo/1

The Scottish Sun reports Labour MP Keith Vaz is facing a watchdog probe over claims he paid for sex with male escorts with cash linked to his charity.

https://twitter.com/ScottishSun/status/772585411193495552/photo/1

Nicola Sturgeon features on the Scottish Daily Mail after she spoke out on her experience miscarrying at age 40.

https://twitter.com/JohnCooper633/status/772561453782032385/photo/1

The Daily Record features a drug user who has been on methadone for 21 years - despite never being a heroin addict.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/772563347782955008/photo/1

And The National leads with scientists who have called for the global seaweed industry to protect sustainability.

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/772540567570055172/photo/1

Can't say there's much of great interest front page wise today - but nothing particularly bad either (unless you're Keith vaz).

Also, a week old, but just got around to reading the current Private Eye, and they had this take on the Stephen Daisley/STV/SNP story:

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

BBC: Scotland's papers: Paige Doherty murder and child abuse inquiry


quote:

The Scotsman leads with the news that a child has died in Scotland as a result of an E. coli outbreak linked to blue cheese.



The Herald says a top civil servant is facing calls to resign amid claims she said it was "OK" for abuse victims to die in some circumstances.

[img]http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/304/cpsprodpb/15E49/production/_91037698_herald-page-001.
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People in Scotland want another referendum on EU membership, according to a poll commissioned by The Times of Scotland.



The Daily Mail reports on the Paige Doherty murder after deli owner John Leathem admitted killing the teenager in a "frenzied" attack.



The Daily Express says top businesses in Scotland are demanding a tax cut from the Scottish government to level the playing field with the rest of the UK.



Brexit minister David Davis was accused of waffling after he made his first parliamentary statement on the UK's plans to leave the EU, says The National.



The Daily Record also reports on the Paige Doherty murder, showing a still from "chilling" CCTV footage which shows the teenager just moments before she died.



The Scottish Sun calls deli owner John Leathem, who admitted killing Paige, the"devil of the deli".



The Daily Star of Scotland says TV show X-Factor has been plunged into a new "fix storm".



And The Press and Journal reports that Aberdeen Grammar school is the most desirable state school in the city.



The only papers with news stories of national interest are the express and the national? What the hell?

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
Interesting approach, this! Scottish universities agree to lower entry standards for disadvantaged students.

Vonnie Sandlan, NUS Scotland president, says:

quote:

I love the widening access & widening participation agenda, and throughout the Commission on Widening Access I was clear that contextualising admissions had to go beyond dropping entry requirements by one grade, or maybe two. NUS Scotland has been banging on about truly contextualising admissions for ages, and so it's absolutely incredible to see the sector body representing Universities in Scotland has decided not to wait for the Fair Access Commissioner to be appointed, and to just plough on making admissions fairer.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/NEWS/14724626.All_Scottish_universities_to_drop_entry_grades_for_disadvantaged_students/?ref=rss

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Niric posted:

BBC: Scotland's papers: Paige Doherty murder and child abuse inquiry



The only papers with news stories of national interest are the express and the national? What the hell?

You missed out at least one paper, or possibly a late edition, but Nicola Sturgeon apparently just declared that she'd work with the Tories in a Brexit coalition. I haven't read the details so won't comment further, but in any event she may yet take Owen Smith up on his offer of a sweetie.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Coohoolin posted:

Interesting approach, this! Scottish universities agree to lower entry standards for disadvantaged students.

Vonnie Sandlan, NUS Scotland president, says:


http://www.heraldscotland.com/NEWS/14724626.All_Scottish_universities_to_drop_entry_grades_for_disadvantaged_students/?ref=rss

This seems like it (could be) a really good idea, though the implementation is going to be a bugger; are they proposing means testing every student? I know student loans already (can) involve this, but seems even more of a stretch to do it at the university application stage. Possibly the schools might be able to add a note to any application (and this would probably be easier when/if named person comes in), but it's individuals not schools who apply, and would still require schools to be pushing disadvantaged pupils towards uni, which they could be doing anyway but aren't (or aren't sufficiently/effectively).


Jedit posted:

You missed out at least one paper, or possibly a late edition, but Nicola Sturgeon apparently just declared that she'd work with the Tories in a Brexit coalition. I haven't read the details so won't comment further, but in any event she may yet take Owen Smith up on his offer of a sweetie.

Both the P&J and the National seem to have it. I just did a quick google, so other outlets probably have variants, but as far as I can tell it's a complete non-story: Sturgeon says a "coalition" of people who agree with her would be a good thing, doesn't say who, or how, or in what capacity they'd coalesce, or what this coalition entails, or anything meaningful whatsoever. It's the vaguest of vague political grandstanding, basically

Of course, this is totally different from that time Labour politicians worked with Tory politicians on a single issue. That was unforgivable and unjustifiable and a sign they're all the same and means never voting Labour again etc etc

P&J:

quote:

Sturgeon suggests she could work with pro-EU Tories to avoid “hard Brexit”


Nicola Sturgeon has suggested she could join forces with pro-EU Tory ministers in a bid to avoid a “hard Brexit”.

The first minister said forming a “coalition” with like-minded politicians to try and keep the UK in the single market was “worth a try”.

The Scottish Government has repeatedly railed against a Brexit deal without access to the single market, claiming it could cost the economy north of the border billions of pounds.

Opposition political parties criticised Ms Sturgeon’s intervention, with Labour’s Lewis Macdonald claiming she was “shifting the goalposts”.

Scottish Liberal Democrat leader Willie Rennie claimed the first minister’s “obsession with independence” made her “incapable of reaching a constructive agreement with anybody”.

Some Conservative ministers are believed to favour a “hard Brexit”, but that position is not universally shared around the cabinet.

Ms Sturgeon said: “Can there be a coalition across the UK that gets the UK into a more sensible position?

“I think that’s worth a good try because Theresa May, she was on the Remain side, so presumably she knows the real risks of removal from the single market.

“Let’s have a try at getting the UK, not into the best position – because the best position in my view would be continued membership of the EU – but let’s try and get the UK as a whole into the least-worst position and that means staying in the single market.”

Her comments came as Scotland Brexit minister, Michael Russell, suggested there were divisions among the cabinet on leaving the EU.

He said: “There were ministers who voted to Remain and there are ministers who are saying to themselves … this could be very detrimental.

“This is the issue between hard Brexit and soft Brexit.”

The UK Government has yet to trigger Article 50 – the process to leave the EU – after the vote to leave the continental block. A majority of people in England and Wales backed a break with Brussels, but a majority in Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to Remain.

Reacting to Ms Sturgeon’s comments Scottish Labour’s Mr Macdonald said: “This is a definite shifting of the goalposts from the first minister, who initially said that maintaining our full membership of the EU would be the only acceptable outcome, now it is only about access to the single market.

“The people of Scotland deserve to know why the first minister is changing her tune.”

The Liberal Democrats Mr Rennie added: “An obsession with independence makes (Ms Sturgeon) incapable of reaching a constructive agreement with anybody.”

Niric fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 6, 2016

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Angepain posted:

i really wanted to like haggis burritos but no dice. turns out there may in fact be a food in existence that does not go with salsa and guacamole.

Nonsense, haggis tacos are epic!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Coohoolin posted:

Interesting approach, this! Scottish universities agree to lower entry standards for disadvantaged students.

Vonnie Sandlan, NUS Scotland president, says:


http://www.heraldscotland.com/NEWS/14724626.All_Scottish_universities_to_drop_entry_grades_for_disadvantaged_students/?ref=rss

Still don't think I'll get in with 2 crappy Highers tbh. It's a conspiracy to keep me out of university.

(No it's not, I could just do an Access to HE course. Shame Inverness College (sorry, the University of Highlands & Islands) doesn't offer them)

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Niric posted:

Both the P&J and the National seem to have it. I just did a quick google, so other outlets probably have variants, but as far as I can tell it's a complete non-story: Sturgeon says a "coalition" of people who agree with her would be a good thing, doesn't say who, or how, or in what capacity they'd coalesce, or what this coalition entails, or anything meaningful whatsoever. It's the vaguest of vague political grandstanding, basically

Of course, this is totally different from that time Labour politicians worked with Tory politicians on a single issue. That was unforgivable and unjustifiable and a sign they're all the same and means never voting Labour again etc etc

Depends what the issue is. If the issue is promoting Tory policies to gently caress the poor, then it's unforgivable. If the issue is party agnostic but of national significance (e.g. referenda to leave various political unions) then there's no reason why Labour and Tory shouldn't agree on it. It's the same with the SNP, except in this case Sturgeon is backpedalling on her own party's line to try and drag the Tories away from theirs. This is IMO an extremely unwise move; at this point in her premiership Theresa May is in no way going to allow the tail to wag the dog. All Sturgeon has achieved is to cast herself as Nick Clegg 2: Electric Boogal-EU.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Jedit posted:

This is IMO an extremely unwise move; at this point in her premiership Theresa May is in no way going to allow the tail to wag the dog. All Sturgeon has achieved is to cast herself as Nick Clegg 2: Electric Boogal-EU.

I disagree on this point of it being unwise or will reflect badly. I think sturgeon is intentionally doing vague substance-less grandstanding. She's quite aware it will have no effect, and is probably happier that way because it means not having to do anything while giving the appearance of doing something. It's meaningless, but it does have a tangible benefit for Sturgeon and the SNP; she's presenting herself as the de facto president of Scotland, suggesting that she and the Scottish Parliament should have a role in foreign affairs.
The implication is that the first minister should and in fact is doing all the talking for Scotland on all issues - not Scottish MPs at Westminster, which helps to define Scotland as a distinct political unit

Alertrelic
Apr 18, 2008

Jedit posted:

It should come as no surprise to anyone that the "report" mentioned on the cover of the National comes from everyone's favourite unhinged SNP front, the Common Weal, and that it isn't actually a report at all. It was written by their own "voluntary researcher", Dr Craig Dalzell, an unemployed laser engineer who has no background whatsoever in economics, politics or law.

Next thing the Tories will be employing a pet food salesman to write their economic policy papers.

Hoops
Aug 19, 2005


A Black Mark For Retarded Posting
Lol

I didn't know this thread was here, can someone catch me up on how terrible it is?

I do *not* live in Scotland currently.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



forkboy84 posted:

Still don't think I'll get in with 2 crappy Highers tbh. It's a conspiracy to keep me out of university.

(No it's not, I could just do an Access to HE course. Shame Inverness College (sorry, the University of Highlands & Islands) doesn't offer them)

UHI certainly offered them a few years ago...
Though you could always do a couple more Highers at Inverness College?

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Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

Hoops posted:

Lol

I didn't know this thread was here, can someone catch me up on how terrible it is?

I do *not* live in Scotland currently.

We're mostly just sitting around waiting for something interesting to happen

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