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Q_res posted:The funny thing about Threshold is just how solid the string of episodes immediately after it are. You weren't kidding. I forgot how good Meld is. What an inexplicably great episode.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:I'm on season two of TOS now, and I hate Chekov. He is The Worst. Yeah, the movies saved his character, but he was introduced to play the young, heart-throbby mop topped Davey Jones type, because someone (Gene?) thought that would help the show appeal to a younger audience. Then they went ahead and gave him that goofy as gently caress accent and a bunch of jokes about being an over-proud Russian. He's fine when he's doing bridge poo poo or getting shot on away missions, but when they have him fawning over some young woman, freaking out over the crisis of the week, or playing pure comic relief, it can be just awful. Half his episodes were in the turd season though, so that probably didn't help.
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8one6 posted:If she's wearing the weird coat with the pocket full of useless looking tools then yes. I love how giant coats are TV's solution to non-plot pregnancy, as with Dr crusher on TNG and those few episodes of x files
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Duckbag posted:Yeah, the movies saved his character, but he was introduced to play the young, heart-throbby mop topped Davey Jones type, because someone (Gene?) thought that would help the show appeal to a younger audience. Then they went ahead and gave him that goofy as gently caress accent and a bunch of jokes about being an over-proud Russian. He's fine when he's doing bridge poo poo or getting shot on away missions, but when they have him fawning over some young woman, freaking out over the crisis of the week, or playing pure comic relief, it can be just awful. Half his episodes were in the turd season though, so that probably didn't help. Yeah, I'm fine with him in the movies, but, Christ, he's worse than Wesley in season two.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Yeah, I'm fine with him in the movies, but, Christ, he's worse than Wesley in season two. It really does help that the show is rarely made to revolve around him like it is Wesley.
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Just came back from the Star Trek Mission in New York and got some exclusive code swag for Star Trek Online. It's holo bridge officers from TOS. XROAMI02 XsD92apd XsG1cYrc
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Friend is going to a con in England. Told him to tell Armin Shimmerman that he's the real star of DS9, and Dominic Keating that his show is hugely underrated and deserved better.
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I like Chekov in TOS. 
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I like Chekov in TOS. I wasn't expecting much from his Q&A today, but he turned out to be pretty funny.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I like Chekov in TOS.
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Dario the Wop posted:Indeed! I know what I'm doing--shipping her with Sulu's stunt double! 
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Yeah, I'm fine with him in the movies, but, Christ, he's worse than Wesley in season two. Yeah, no doubt. Part of it is that the Futurama joke that, after Star Trek, Walter Koenig became an actor rings sadly true. Checkov is a pretty thin part anyway (though arguably not as thin as Sulu or Uhura), but Koenig's performance (or perhaps the way he was directed) doesn't do it many favors either. He's good in some scenes and generally fine when he doesn't have to do serious emoting, but a lot of the time his performance is cheesy as hell with almost Shatner-level scenery chewing, but not the skill or gravitas to really carry it off. The whole "heart throb" angle never really worked either because Koenig was pretty good at doing lovable goofiness and high-strung intensity, but the romance scenes got really weird when they had him try to split the difference. Also, if they really were invested in him being the nonthreatening teddy bear type, maybe they shouldn't have had him go scary crazy every time the space madness hits. It's pretty hard to think of him as this lovable goofball after you've seem him try to rape a woman in Day of the Dove.
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Duckbag posted:It's pretty hard to think of him as this lovable goofball after you've seem him try to rape a woman in Day of the Dove. 60s James Bond did that all the time and he was a sex symbol. It was a weird era.
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Well, Bond had the advantage of a killer (though sometimes hilariously of-its-time) wardrobe and the fact that he was played by various handsome leading man types (and Roger Moore), but I still wonder if the women of the era found his character quite as appealing as the men did.
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Regardless of if female audiences were actually into fictional heroes like that or not, it doesn't strike me as abnormal or unique to Chekov enough to count as "here's where they went wrong with Chekov". Hell, Evil Kirk did some rapin too(and the girl was all crying and poo poo about how she didn't want to report it  )
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How has it taken me over 15 years to realize Kira got braids when she had her hair redone for Season 7?
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WickedHate posted:Regardless of if female audiences were actually into fictional heroes like that or not, it doesn't strike me as abnormal or unique to Chekov enough to count as "here's where they went wrong with Chekov". Hell, Evil Kirk did some rapin too(and the girl was all crying and poo poo about how she didn't want to report it Well yeah, Kirk has some creepy moments, but evil Kirk was at least, you know, evil Kirk. In Day of the Dove, everyone's being affected by the same hateful energy being, but the others are just angry and want to fight. It's only Checkov who turns into a straight up rape monster, which suggests there's something pretty dark lurking beneath his goofy exterior. It's also a fairly consistent thing that when the crew goes crazy, Checkov goes craaaazy. And I'm not saying that's "what's wrong with Checkov" because I actually like a lot of the darkness and intensity Koenig brings to the character, it's just that it doesn't fit at all with his original conception as a charming young Davey Jones/Beatles type for the teenage girls to swoon over. Of course, if the writers hadn't been willing to take Checkov into darker places, we never would have gotten his fantastic character arc in Wrath of Khan, so it all worked out eventually.
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Zaroff posted:How has it taken me over 15 years to realize Kira got braids when she had her hair redone for Season 7? First time viewing it on a non-SD TV, perhaps? 
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Watched Beyond last night and it was p. good. Spock showed a bit too much emotion though.
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At least, in "Day of the Dove," when Chekov tries to make out with that woman, he still has his hand over her mouth.
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Acer Pilot posted:Watched Beyond last night and it was p. good.
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I still think he was miscast. Quinto is doing a fine job in his own way, but he doesn't have that Nimoy gravitas and always seems like he's choking back emotion even when he's not supposed to be. He has this sort of lost little boy look on his face a lot of the time that makes his "emotionlessness" seem more reminiscent of everyone's favorite autistic robot than the proud stoicism of the "real" Spock. I really don't like the Uhura relationship in particular because he's got this completely goony "oh god how do I girlfriend" thing going on that's just awful. Nimoy's Spock was always either completely aloof around women or wildly passionate toward them. Nu-Spock is just sort of tentative and angsty about the relationship (and everything else) in a way that's not half as interesting. Plus his teeth and skin are too good.
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Pakled posted:First time viewing it on a non-SD TV, perhaps? It was that obvious?
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Duckbag posted:I still think he was miscast. Quinto is doing a fine job in his own way, but he doesn't have that Nimoy gravitas and always seems like he's choking back emotion even when he's not supposed to be. He has this sort of lost little boy look on his face a lot of the time that makes his "emotionlessness" seem more reminiscent of everyone's favorite autistic robot than the proud stoicism of the "real" Spock. I really don't like the Uhura relationship in particular because he's got this completely goony "oh god how do I girlfriend" thing going on that's just awful. Nimoy's Spock was always either completely aloof around women or wildly passionate toward them. Nu-Spock is just sort of tentative and angsty about the relationship (and everything else) in a way that's not half as interesting. Plus his teeth and skin are too good. Well, he is/was a teenager and had a wildly different life from then on. It makes sense to me in the lens of the first reboot movie, at least.
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Pakled posted:First time viewing it on a non-SD TV, perhaps? I only just recently noticed that betazoids are supposed to have pitch black irises, for that exact reason.
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I want hd remastered ds9 please
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Baronjutter posted:I want hd remastered ds9 please Pay CBS millions of dollars.
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Cojawfee posted:Pay CBS millions of dollars. I'll pay them some dollars.
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The_Doctor posted:I'll pay them some dollars. American?
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CobiWann posted:American? Dollarpounds.
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So I've got some (lots) spare time, I think I might try B5. I found a "what to watch" list but I'm not sure if I should use it or make myself sit through the whole series. Is there a B5 thread I should post to?
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How tolerant of lovely episodes are you? The thing about B5 is even 'Grey 17 Is Missing' and 'TKO', the 2 episodes you should skip if you skip any, have little nuggets of foreshadowing or good character moments.
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Don't ever skip an episode. In fact, pipe them all into an oculus set and pop into a sendep tank for the next week.
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Also definitely watch The Gathering pilot. It's really rough, but I like how it sets some things up, it has one of my favorite lines, and it makes s1 look really good in comparison.
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Whoops, double post, see below.
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EX-GAIJIN AT LAST posted:Come and join us. GBS too.
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Q_res posted:How tolerant of lovely episodes are you? The thing about B5 is even 'Grey 17 Is Missing' and 'TKO', the 2 episodes you should skip if you skip any, have little nuggets of foreshadowing or good character moments. B5 has a weird thing where the A plot has to be about the human characters, even if the aliens are doing something more significant to the series arc, so you get a lot of stupid "Crisis of the Week" ones where important poo poo still happens. Grey 17 in particular has some significant events that take up less screen time than the security chief getting stuck between floors with Freddy Krueger.
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I'm also mad at them for wasting Brad Dourif on the 10,000th serial killer of his career when he would have been a fantastic Minbari.
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WickedHate posted:Well, he is/was a teenager and had a wildly different life from then on. It makes sense to me in the lens of the first reboot movie, at least. You're not wrong, but neither is Duckbag.
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