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icantfindaname posted:There was a very real and large conflict of interest in the donations. that doesn't mean she was acting on corruption, but conflicts of interest should be avoided in the first place, and the fact that she let it exist is a legitimate criticism, unlike speculation that Obama is a Muslim. The AP story was not misleading outside the normal bounds of journalism. Freaking the gently caress out about this and shouting down anyone who points it out is a hilarious way to respond to this and is not going to help Hillary in the least No one gives a poo poo how you vote. Hope this helps.
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Eschers Basement posted:The ones freaking out are actually the ones who six months ago insisted that Clinton would wreck it all, and desperately want to be vindicated. Doesn't make much sense to act like this is news, then.
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Periodiko posted:I don't agree that having someone donate to your family's powerful personal charity isn't a form of personal gain. I feel like if they weren't the Clintons, and they weren't already elite-squared, the level of access, power and influence represented by the Clinton Foundation would be unquestionable. I'm somewhat devil's advocating here, I don't feel that outraged, but I do think it's a perfectly reasonable argument. It feels like there's a strange standard here, where 10K in a duffle bag is clearly personal gain, but millions from awful human-rights violators, clearly intended as a way of gaining influence, to a charitable foundation that has you rubbing shoulders with the world's elites is worth barely a shrug. What exactly is the gain? That Hillary gets to take credit for charitable work? That maybe she feels good about doing it?
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:09 |
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:This is akin to being the best venereal disease. Newflash: that lovely reporting has been the standard for almost 2 decades She doesn't ignore the press, she ignores a few of them and they get all mad about it Also then they're all venereal diseases so you may as well pick the best one. Want something better? Show up in 2018, and for local poo poo
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In which the Clinton Foundation ignored state laws because why not:quote:New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has the power to force the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Health Access Initiative to publicly disclose the names of foreign governments and the millions they donate each year to the charities but he’s not doing it, a Scripps News investigation has found. More in the link but the tldr is the Clinton Foundation is required by New York state law to fully disclose each government/agency and its donation amount. Both the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Health Access Initiative chose not to do this, keeping $225 million secret (as in, withholding specifics of the individual contributions that totaled that amount) from New York. CHAI spokesperson blames the NY AG, a man appointed to Clinton's Leadership Council, because they would totally fully disclose if the AG asked them too (even though it's New York law), Clinton Foundation people say it's no biggie because everyone else does it, and the NY AG people kick the can by saying they are going to clarify things soon. I know, blah blah blah Clinton Foundation, but get ready for it to be in the news cycle. Ignoring everything else involving the foundation, purposely ignoring state law is a bad thing to do.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:This may make her more likable from a politics nerd standpoint, but it's a really bad trait for a candidate to have since it (even moreso) invites the kind of lovely reporting we've seen this cycle. It's a cycle. The press turns everything Hillary does into a scandal, so Hillary avoids the press, so the press acts out even more. They're going to attack her anyway and being more open is just going to invite more attacks so it makes sense to flip them the bird. Something something appeasement doesn't work, etc. From just watching how the news media have been acting these last few weeks, I can't blame her.
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Epic High Five posted:Newflash: that lovely reporting has been the standard for almost 2 decades I acknowledged that, her stance toward the press only makes them more likely to engage in the craptacular equivalence they already were prone to do, though. quote:Also then they're all venereal diseases so you may as well pick the best one. Want something better? Show up in 2018, and for local poo poo You misunderstand. Being a poor candidate does not mean you're a poor human being or would make a poor president. It means that, as a candidate, you have glaring weaknesses. I don't dislike Clinton, really, I just think she's not a good candidate given the country we live in. e: it's why I think this race will be closer than it has any right to be, even given polarization in this country.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:In which the Clinton Foundation ignored state laws because why not: Well, this will probably used as cover for Trump any time someone tires to bring up Trump U.
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reminder that one of the sparks for Clinton's bad relationship with the press was when they lost their poo poo when she said she wasn't a 'stay at home and bake cookies' type and demanded she bake cookies.
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:20 |
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Tatum Girlparts posted:reminder that one of the sparks for Clinton's bad relationship with the press was when they lost their poo poo when she said she wasn't a 'stay at home and bake cookies' type and demanded she bake cookies. Then she did and won a contest because they were so good, then never did again
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:21 |
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I'm saying I think her relationship with the press was always doomed and nothing she does can really build a bridge over 'we literally told you to get back in the kitchen and made your husband getting a blowie from an intern into all you could see forever as if he was caught in bed with literal Saddam Hussein.' That gap is a mighty big one.
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:22 |
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Man remember Trump's bad week and the thread thought the horse race narrative was dead and the "Trump suicide watch" narrative was going to be a thing. Also Pokemon Go would be used in Nov. to get millennials to vote. Good times.
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:28 |
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Epic High Five posted:Then she did and won a contest because they were so good, then never did again Don't forget that some of the media decided to revive this exact topic a few weeks ago by "innocently" highlighting that the "Clinton Family Cookies" that were put up against whatever Melania submitted this election happen to be the same recipe as the 1992 one (implying that Hillary is lazy and a self-plagiarist) and also they aren't attributed to either Hillary or Bill (insinuating that neither is a good housekeeper)
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Real Talk, Bernie would be getting destroyed by a blitz of negative media attention that he would have absolutely no experience in dealing with. Hillary has lived this for 25 years.
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Though she's warmed up to the press a bit, and is willing to answer questions on the plane on the way to stops. This should take some of the heat off her, hopefully. Going back to favorability polling: an indicator of who's going to win will be Obama's approval numbers heading into November. A significant amount of the electorate view her as Obama's third term, so if things are looking up for him, it'll give her an edge.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Real Talk, Bernie would be getting destroyed by a blitz of negative media attention that he would have absolutely no experience in dealing with. Hillary has lived this for 25 years. Hillary thrives on negative attention. Her Grand Abuela powers grow with every poo poo non-scandal that hits some poo poo stained rag passed as news.
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iospace posted:Though she's warmed up to the press a bit, and is willing to answer questions on the plane on the way to stops. This should take some of the heat off her, hopefully. Obama has had his highest favorability ratings since 2011 for about 3 months now so I think things are good on that front.
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Ciaphas posted:Fear I might be asking a loaded question, but with the mainstream press hate-on going forth here where do you all get your news, generally? My BBC app, it tells me about cool fossils people are finding and that solar plane
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:In which the Clinton Foundation ignored state laws because why not: Funny you seem to gloss over this part quote:However, Schneiderman’s office said it considers the Clinton Foundation, which is a separate charity, “in step” with state rules.
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:33 |
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How much of a impact will the Obamacare price increases going to affect the election? Rate increases will hit Nov. 1st.
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DemeaninDemon posted:Hillary thrives on negative attention. Her Grand Abuela powers grow with every poo poo non-scandal that hits some poo poo stained rag passed as news. Should tell the American people that, really
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Trabisnikof posted:Funny you seem to gloss over this part And we can expect Fox and co to do the same thing.
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Trabisnikof posted:Funny you seem to gloss over this part BetterToRuleInHell exaggerating a negative story about the liberals? No way!
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Trabisnikof posted:Funny you seem to gloss over this part ^^^^^ Did you choose not to actually read what I quoted? ^^^^^ it's part of what I quoted.
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ALEC is a perfectly legal lobbyist group that operates within the law. Does that mean they're okay too?
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# ? Sep 7, 2016 00:41 |
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This time it's a real scandal! IT'S A REAL SCANDAL THIS TIME!!!
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quote:"It's hard to explain why -- despite their own calls for funding -- Senate Democrats decided to block a bill that could help keep pregnant women and babies safer from Zika," Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on the floor. http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/06/politics/senate-zika-funding-vote-fails/index.html
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:You misunderstand. Being a poor candidate does not mean you're a poor human being or would make a poor president. It means that, as a candidate, you have glaring weaknesses. This is dumb. She's consistently polling ahead at a wide margin, and she's almost certainly going to win. Those are the marks of a good candidate. The votes she's losing are the votes of people choosing to support a bigot instead. What is it you'd have her change about herself to win those people over? Should she be more hateful herself? Less progressive? More male? American races are close. They literally always are. That's just how our system is structured. This race is notably less close than usual, and that's a good thing. Name one "glaring weakness" Hillary has that isn't "optics" or "I haven't taken stock of all the Republican propaganda I've absorbed over the past twenty years."
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:Name one "glaring weakness" Hillary has that isn't "optics" or "I haven't taken stock of all the Republican propaganda I've absorbed over the past twenty years." Her foreign policy
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Her foreign policy Does that make her "not a good candidate given the country we live in"? Because I have bad news for you about the foreign policy of the country we live in.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Her foreign policy lol
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:This is dumb. She's consistently polling ahead at a wide margin, and she's almost certainly going to win. Those are the marks of a good candidate. The votes she's losing are the votes of people choosing to support a bigot instead. What is it you'd have her change about herself to win those people over? Should she be more hateful herself? Less progressive? More male? She and her husband unfortunately give off an incredibly ungenuine, prototypical politician vibe that while being unreflective of them as actual human persons turns a lot of people off. Her cool relationship with the press makes them even more willing to dig up any poo poo story they can find to bludgeon her with. She, unfortunately, has been tarred with scandal for years and years despite it being bullshit. She's not super personable or charming as a speaker or public figure, either. She's not a good candidate. For a counterexample Obama (despite being the bane of racists everywhere) projected and projects a much more genuine and "wholesome" image that makes getting real traction with any scandal nigh impossible. He, rightly or wrongly, has been presented to the country as much less duplicitous and conniving. Despite being a relative unknown, he was a good candidate. And no, she is not ahead at a wide margin. She, according to most aggregates, is barely running ahead of the MoE. She's looking good in swing states so far, but has been slipping now that the media turned it's attention on her. And by all rights, she should be crushing Trump but she's not.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:She and her husband unfortunately give off an incredibly ungenuine, prototypical politician vibe that while being unreflective of them as actual human persons turns a lot of people off. Her cool relationship with the press makes them even more willing to dig up any poo poo story they can find to bludgeon her with. She, unfortunately, has been tarred with scandal for years and years despite it being bullshit. She's not super personable or charming as a speaker or public figure, either. This is real dumb.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:She and her husband unfortunately give off an incredibly ungenuine, prototypical politician vibe that while being unreflective of them as actual human persons turns a lot of people off. Her cool relationship with the press makes them even more willing to dig up any poo poo story they can find to bludgeon her with. She, unfortunately, has been tarred with scandal for years and years despite it being bullshit. She's not super personable or charming as a speaker or public figure, either. Um, Bill was probably one of the best politicians ever at seeming genuine when connecting with people on the campaign trail. That was like his whole thing.
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jBetterToRuleInHell posted:In which the Clinton Foundation ignored state laws because why not: jesus loving christ they consulted with a loving tennessee attorney about new york law suffice to say the reporting for "government agencies" seems to apply only funds solicited from New York government agencies WhiskeyJuvenile fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This is real dumb. Thanks, glad to have your opinion. Good Citizen posted:Um, Bill was probably one of the best politicians ever at seeming genuine when connecting with people on the campaign trail. That was like his whole thing. Republicans have been working on that for the better part of 20 years now. I'd say the facade has worn off slightly.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Thanks, glad to have your opinion. You posted a real dumb opinion with only the slightest connection to facts based on your personal perception of her as a "bad candidate" that boils down to "she's not Obama, therefore..."
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:"I haven't taken stock of all the Republican propaganda I've absorbed over the past twenty years."
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You posted a real dumb opinion with only the slightest connection to facts based on your personal perception of her as a "bad candidate" that boils down to "she's not Obama, therefore..." I posted things which would be common knowledge if you looked at the crosstabs of any poll or paid attention to how she is covered at all in the mainstream, you glorious idiot. Unless you're saying seeming dishonest/untrustworthy, being scandal-ridden, whatever the gently caress else are good traits to have as a candidate. It's okay to admit Hillary has obvious flaws, it doesn't mean her entire campaign is going to collapse like a deck of cards. Substantive.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:I posted things which would be common knowledge if you looked at the crosstabs of any poll or paid attention to how she is covered at all in the mainstream, you glorious idiot. That isn't you said, duder.
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