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Middle East Thread of Despair : What's Aleppo?
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Sep 8, 2016 17:48
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WaterIsPoison posted:Middle East Thread of Despair : What's Aleppo?
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Sep 8, 2016 17:54
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WaterIsPoison posted:Middle East Thread of Despair : What's Aleppo? literally just came to post that
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Sep 8, 2016 17:57
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Sinteres posted:The New York Times and at least one other reporter correcting Johnson by saying Aleppo is the capital of the Islamic State is really funny in a sad way. New York Times posted:Correction: September 8, 2016 hahaha holy poo poo It's got to be more embarrassing than the original gaffe to not even get it right in three tries, when you could literally look it up on Wikipedia.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:09
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So Jill Stein's running mate thinks that Assad is a stand-up guy who's battling the Western imperialists and Gary Johnson doesn't know what Aleppo is? Wow, what great third party candidates we have.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:29
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Elyv posted:So Jill Stein's running mate thinks that Assad is a stand-up guy who's battling the Western imperialists and Gary Johnson doesn't know what Aleppo is? Still better than Trump or Hillary 
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Sep 8, 2016 18:34
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Redmark posted:hahaha holy poo poo Yeah, they're supposed to be the paper of record too. There's been a pretty massive decline on display from the New York Times in recent months, which is really a shame since nobody has sufficient authority to replace them.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:34
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I was under the impression that the New York Times was a really good, prestigious newspaper. Guess I was wrong. I'm really concerned if this is the average amount of knowledge the average westerner has about the conflict.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:43
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Laurenz posted:I'm really concerned if this is the average amount of knowledge the average westerner has about the conflict. Be concerned, then, because, and I'll say only what I know first hand, but many Americans would probably have the same response. "What's Aleppo?"
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Sep 8, 2016 18:52
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Redmark posted:hahaha holy poo poo That cracked me up - twice correcting an article trying to point out the ignorance of another person not knowing where a place is and showing that you don't know, either.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:04
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Wait isn't Aleppo that one guy who is like being mean to Syrians? Bashar al aleppo or something?
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Sep 8, 2016 19:05
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Dusty Baker 2 posted:Wait isn't Aleppo that one guy who is like being mean to Syrians? Bashar al aleppo or something? Yes, Bashar Al Eppo.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:14
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Laurenz posted:I was under the impression that the New York Times was a really good, prestigious newspaper. Guess I was wrong. It still is, prestigious is a relative term. Journalism is dead, nobody wants to pay money and instead read everything online for free or with ad block - shockingly this results in poorly researched articles and click bait who would have thought.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:28
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More weapons to the front. https://twitter.com/mutludc/status/773862262742417408 Time will tell which front.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:29
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No, most people don't know what Aleppo is, and I can hardly blame them. Most have no idea whats going on except Syria = war and ISIS = terrorism. Maybe something about Russia thrown in. Typical geography knowledge is atrocious. And there is little need for your average person to know this- Aleppo is but part of the larger Syrian war. It was a bit of a strange question that was asked to Johnson in the first place; its not like the US has a policy on Aleppo, it has a policy (well, maybe) on Syria. You can't "solve" Aleppo without solving the larger war. Anyone campaigning to be president should be pretty knowledgeable about current war zones the US is involved with. I feel like the question might have been a soft trap for Johnson. I'd love though if more questions were asked of political leaders that included basic geography. I remember W Bush bombing on stuff like this to a hilarious degree.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:29
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Part of it has to do with US schools in my opinion; no not a rant against the us school system as some kind of failure, more that focus on world affairs except in specialized classes is abysmal. Looking back it's terrifying to me now that a lot of my world geography knowledge and general wonder about culture and history came from Creative Assembly and Paradox games, not the school room.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:43
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WaterIsPoison posted:Middle East Thread of Despair : What's Aleppo? also this
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Sep 8, 2016 19:54
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Count Roland posted:I'd love though if more questions were asked of political leaders that included basic geography. I remember W Bush bombing on stuff like this to a hilarious degree. Got any links to Bush screwing up like this? It's really entertaining (and worrying).
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Sep 8, 2016 20:03
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FaustianQ posted:Part of it has to do with US schools in my opinion; no not a rant against the us school system as some kind of failure, more that focus on world affairs except in specialized classes is abysmal. Looking back it's terrifying to me now that a lot of my world geography knowledge and general wonder about culture and history came from Creative Assembly and Paradox games, not the school room. Schools teach all of this, it's just that you immediately forget because it's completely irrelevant to the average person's life. You remember it from video games because you were constantly using it and knowledge of the topic was relevant to the game.
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Sep 8, 2016 20:06
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Count Roland posted:No, most people don't know what Aleppo is, and I can hardly blame them. Before the civil war in Syria, pretty much all I knew about Aleppo was that it was famous for its soap. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleppo_soap
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Sep 8, 2016 20:27
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Laurenz posted:Got any links to Bush screwing up like this? It's really entertaining (and worrying). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991104/aponline181051_000.htm This was before the election. This is after his his term was over: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26890910
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Sep 8, 2016 20:59
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Count Roland posted:It was a bit of a strange question that was asked to Johnson in the first place; its not like the US has a policy on Aleppo, it has a policy (well, maybe) on Syria. You can't "solve" Aleppo without solving the larger war. I agree. It was worded in a way that was meant to be deliberately confusing. "What's your stance on Aleppo" is a really poor way to transition the interview towards Syria, and you can tell by the tone of the interviewer that he was trying to throw Johnson under the bus. I wouldn't have held it against him if Johnson just didn't understand what the interviewer was trying to get across. I could see someone not recognizing the word Aleppo when it's brought up with 0 context, and Syria isn't on their mind. After the clarification, he could've easily followed up with a detailed analysis that would've made clear that he was well educated on the subject, and people still would've ripped into him for "What is Aleppo." I would've cut him some slack. But he didn't do that. Instead he was like "well as far as Syria," then recited whatever he memorized from his Syria flash card, and that was the dead giveaway that he's got about an articles worth of knowledge on the subject. But tbh, other than Rubio and Clinton, I've gotten that vibe from every candidate on both sides, so he's far from alone in that regard. He's just the one who gave up the memorable soundbite. Sucks to suck I guess. quote:I'd love though if more questions were asked of political leaders that included basic geography. I remember W Bush bombing on stuff like this to a hilarious degree. miss u Herman Cain.
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Sep 8, 2016 21:00
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Laurenz posted:Got any links to Bush screwing up like this? It's really entertaining (and worrying).
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Sep 8, 2016 21:15
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Turkey's Erdogan Announces 'Largest Operation in History' Against Kurds, as 11,000 Teachers Suspended http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/1.741033
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Sep 8, 2016 21:19
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Laurenz posted:Got any links to Bush screwing up like this? It's really entertaining (and worrying). During his election campaign, a satirist got him. Poutine is a greasy food, not the name of the Canadian prime minister. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KwEDgpSWxo Bush to the president of Brazil: Do you have blacks there, too? http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/bushs-allgemeinbildung-gibt-es-schwarze-in-brasilien-a-196865.html haha, oh god, here's a list: quote:"The point now is how do we work together to achieve important goals. And one such goal is a democracy in Germany." (5th May 2006)
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Sep 8, 2016 21:29
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https://twitter.com/DailySabah/status/773946463827165184
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Sep 8, 2016 21:42
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Hell, I'm glad the Al Qaeda terrorists are dead.
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Sep 9, 2016 00:03
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Sinteres posted:Hell, I'm glad the Al Qaeda terrorists are dead. Yeah. Hell yeah. Soon Aleppo will be "pacified" just like Fallujah was. Smooth sailing from here. Mission accomplished. 
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Sep 9, 2016 00:13
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I don't think killing a few Al Qaeda guys is going to magically fix Syria or anything, but on the plus side a few Al Qaeda guys are dead now. Sorry for your loss though.
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Sep 9, 2016 00:57
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Barely a day goes by without Turkey suspending teachers, doctors, lawyers, soldiers, police, civil servants, etc. from work with a portion of those suspended being taken into custody and interrogated. Businessmen are being charged with "attempting to abolish the constitutional order by force" and ''being a member of an armed terrorist organization". Gulenist assets are being seized, media outlets shut down, Amnesty's reporting the arrested "coup plotters" are being tortured and raped. 15,846 detained (10,012 soldiers, 1,481 judiciary members) 8,133 of the detained had been arrested Shut down 15 universities 1,043 private schools 1,229 charities and foundations 19 trade unions 35 medical institutions 16 television channels 23 radio stations 45 daily newspapers 15 magazines 29 publishing houses I know this is probably not news to anyone in this thread but I needed to get a summary together for my own benefit. I feel like I've read dozens of articles on a hundred being imprisoned here, a thousand dismissed there, and having watched Erdogan for just a few years it is not shocking but seeing it all happen day by day it's hard to believe. Free speech has been under threat in Turkey at least since Gezi Park, right now it is hard to see it as anything other than dead. My "favourite" part of this was probably the UN drafting some words about human rights but loving el-Sisi putting a stop to it. People like to joke "oh what are the UN going to do, write a strongly worded letter?" They can't even do that.
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Sep 9, 2016 01:56
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Sinteres posted:I don't think killing a few Al Qaeda guys is going to magically fix Syria or anything, but on the plus side a few Al Qaeda guys are dead now. Sorry for your loss though. So sunni al qaeda is bad, shiite al qaeda is good?
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Sep 9, 2016 02:39
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Mans posted:So sunni al qaeda is bad, shiite al qaeda is good? I'm not a fan of Hezbollah either, no. Actual Al Qaeda has been more dangerous than Hezbollah to countries that aren't Israel, Lebanon or Syria so far though. Maybe killing some terrorists is good even if it's not feasible to kill all terrorists.
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Sep 9, 2016 02:44
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Seems like an odd time to get pissed at Nusra.
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Sep 9, 2016 02:54
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Torpor posted:Seems like an odd time to get pissed at Nusra. Might be part of whatever deal was or wasn't made with Turkey, Russia and America to stop loving around and go blast Raqqa? Turkey's been shelling Kurds instead of fighting ISIS as usual so who knows? Course both could be true and it's just America kept their end of the bargain while goat-fucker extraordinaire Erdrogan didn't.
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Sep 9, 2016 02:56
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Sinteres posted:I'm not a fan of Hezbollah either, no. Actual Al Qaeda has been more dangerous than Hezbollah to countries that aren't Israel, Lebanon or Syria so far though. Maybe killing some terrorists is good even if it's not feasible to kill all terrorists. Who were they terrorizing from inside a besieged city?
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Sep 9, 2016 02:58
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chairface posted:Might be part of whatever deal was or wasn't made with Turkey, Russia and America to stop loving around and go blast Raqqa? Turkey's been shelling Kurds instead of fighting ISIS as usual so who knows? Course both could be true and it's just America kept their end of the bargain while goat-fucker extraordinaire Erdrogan didn't. More likely just an opportunistic strike. But if it's got a geopolitical angle, it's probably rooted in the Russian/US negotiations to coordinate and target JaN. Last I heard there was only one or two more hangups.
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Sep 9, 2016 02:59
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Cool beans can't wait until we can unload our ordinance against JaN and all the other groups in that alliance so that Aleppo falls and the brave Lion of Damascus, the most righteous Bashar Assad can cleanse the city of terrorist filth.
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Sep 9, 2016 03:01
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al-Queda is a lot worse than Hezbollah for anyone outside the Middle East.
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Sep 9, 2016 03:03
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Sergg posted:Who were they terrorizing from inside a besieged city? We're still actually at war with Al Qaeda, and there's every reason to believe they'll carry out more attacks on the West if they survive in Syria. Removing them as essentially the top rebel faction is necessary for any sort of peace.
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Sep 9, 2016 03:04
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