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Rick posted:I just want Vegas to fail and for the Chargers to stay in San Diego so the Los Angeles Raiders can return to LA and Eazy-E can return from the grave and usher in the endtimes. Hell, same
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warcrimes posted:lol China Basin was a poo poo hole before AT&T park was built, so I'm not buying that poo poo as ironclad. In addition, the local taxpayers are barely chipping in. Guess what, that wasn't built with public funding!!!!! The argument isn't whether ballparks are good for the city, it's whether the city and taxpayers should pay for them and literally everything points to saying they shouldn't. The burden to clear is that there's not better municipal investments that you should pay with. Like for example in the Vegas case, an expansion of the convention hall because guess what conventions are in Vegas year round. Finally the idea that any part of SF wouldn't have been developed regardless of a ballpark given what's going on with real estate there is hilarious.
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Adun posted:Guess what, that wasn't built with public funding!!!!! yes, I know and it's irrelevant. One of the main arguments against public funding of stadiums is that the revival that can take place in the surrounding area is a myth. Adun posted:The argument isn't whether ballparks are good for the city, it's whether the city and taxpayers should pay for them and literally everything points to saying they shouldn't. The burden to clear is that there's not better municipal investments that you should pay with. Like for example in the Vegas case, an expansion of the convention hall because guess what conventions are in Vegas year round. It's basically a luxury tax on out of towners. I have no issues with it and will be voting yes. Lol, have you ever even been to SF? I lived and worked there but please, give me your re-development plan for the city.
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kiimo posted:I prefer Raider fans to stay hidden thanks. Another opportunity to post this: Latest U.N. Report Shows Raider Nation At Bottom Of Human Development Index Rankings
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warcrimes posted:yes, I know and it's irrelevant. One of the main arguments against public funding of stadiums is that the revival that can take place in the surrounding area is a myth. Yes it's a luxury tax on out of towners but again the point is for the city as a whole there are better choices of how to spend that tax revenue. At the end of the day if you want to vote for a stadium that's your right and obviously if you post on a football forum your utility function is pretty unique and you'll benefit a lot more from the stadium than the average person in Vegas so it makes sense. It just doesn't for the city as a whole and I don't know why people continue to try and argue that it does. At least more and more people are becoming aware of the issue
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When Howard Schultz was demanding a new basketball arena for the Sonics, there was a study done showing it was a net drain on the immediate neighborhood for the old one, because most people going to the game just go, then leave without spending money anywhere else, and it fucks traffic for the entire city and parking for the immediate area, so people not at the game were less likely to go out and eat or shop.
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Volkerball posted:If mark had enough shitloads of money he'd build in Oakland. THEN THE POOR gently caress OUGHT TO A. BUILD A CHEAPER STADIUM OR B. MOVE SOMEWHERE CHEAP LIKE IDAHO. You wouldn't pay for me to go live in San Francisco just because I can't afford a 3k a month apartment, why give welfare to some bowlcut bitch who is literally blowing it at strip clubs? He's a walking political cartoon. If the city is going to pay for the team, the city should own the team. Mark Davis needs to get a loving job and work for his nice toys like the rest of us have to.
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Hey guys, goon project idea. I want to get a pad in Malibu. I don't have much cash, but if you give me yours I can get the best drugs, the biggest amps, the hottest bitches, and a house big enough for every one of you to spend the night at once for a massive rager. I just need each of you to pay me monthly for 20 years. When can you come over? After you pay more of course, duh.  You can't just come over to my house whenever you want.
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Just get a place in Calabasas and tell people it's Malibu
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I find the stadium shitshows fascinating. Same goes with the whole hoopla over the Olympic or World Cup cities that almost always lose money. It's not like there's a dearth of examples to look at and see the results of building these things, but every time people get convinced that the outcome is going to be different somehow.
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The people in city government making the decision to build using public money are almost certainly seeing benefit in the form of prestige, free tickets after the fact (or invites to the owner's suite and team functions) so it's not surprising to me it keeps happening despite all the evidence it's not the best move for the rest of the city.
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Nail Rat posted:The people in city government making the decision to build using public money are almost certainly seeing benefit in the form of prestige, free tickets after the fact (or invites to the owner's suite and team functions) so it's not surprising to me it keeps happening despite all the evidence it's not the best move for the rest of the city. Or you can use the newspaper you bought to conduct 'interviews' in order to see where they stand on the stadium that's for internal use only
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Am I allowed to say mice neltdown at chiche
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Am I allowed to say mice neltdown at chiche Not with that av, no.
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Adun posted:The entire argument against stadiums is not that it doesn't lead to positive outcomes for cities and neighborhoods because of course it does since you're throwing money at the neighborhood. It's that building stadiums for rich owners is possibly the least efficient way to do so. You make some good points but another issue I have with your argument is that the money can be better spent elsewhere. I mean, this is city and county governments we're talking about. I don't expect them to spend the money wisely at all. No, we don't need more roundabouts.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:Am I allowed to say mice neltdown at chiche I am literally shaking irl at the thought of a poster on TFF supporting a welfare queen. Edit Will you help me buy that house? I'll mail you a flyer that says you're part owner of it, but not really.
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Let me tell you why the Chargers deserve a new stadium
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IDGAF RAIDERS WON
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SNTIC meeting https://twitter.com/atdleft/status/776490145214148608 https://twitter.com/AMarroquin_LV/status/776490537368981504 it'shappeningdotgif
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Holy gently caress. I don't like public money for stadiums but I look forward to the Vegas Raiders.
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BRB doing research on my cosplay costume for home games
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Shiny and chrome, bitches
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This is the first time I've ever been excited about something good happening to the Raiders.
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So, that's like the worst possible outcomes for the public, isn't it?
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coupbrick posted:So, that's like the worst possible outcomes for the public, isn't it? God bless 'murica  
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Vote Yes On C
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I'm the guy on the front of the truck when the Chiefs bandwagon comes to town. 
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coupbrick posted:So, that's like the worst possible outcomes for the public, isn't it? Eh, if any public deserves it, it's Nevada 
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coupbrick posted:So, that's like the worst possible outcomes for the public, isn't it? The vast majority of the money is coming from hotel room taxes.
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Volkerball posted:I'm hype af If this becomes a reality, we all need Fury Road flavored avs
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Hybrid Darth Raider/Immortan Joe/Bucky Larson/Gorilla dude avs
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Well poo poo, I'm going to Vegas in the near future.Keyser S0ze posted:Hybrid Darth Raider/Immortan Joe/Bucky Larson/Gorilla dude avs + Optimus Prime 
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 I'm on the far right, sucking my gut in Hmmm, where have I seen that warboys hand sign before.... 
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I'm in Vegas now. Where is this stadium going to be located?
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By the Luxor I think. Close to Hooter's Casino. All the jokes have already been made.
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Mark Davis knew Vegas was the place to be after he started banging Bonnie Rotten
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warcrimes posted:The vast majority of the money is coming from hotel room taxes. Again, if not for the stadium, they could have that tax and better schools or public services
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v2vian man posted:Again, if not for the stadium, they could have that tax and better schools or public services lol
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