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saffi faildotter
Mar 2, 2007

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I'm a bit shocked Vader never had a 5* in Japan.

He did. 8/9/91 vs Muta.

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Spermgod
Jan 8, 2012

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS
:sludgepal:
he knows..

remusclaw posted:

This is almost certainly true, unfortunately Big man wrestlers seem to be somewhat stigmatized when it comes to match ratings. Vader has no 5* and even Stan Hansen only has them in tag matches against the Funks and Tenryu/Kawada or in singles against Kenta Kobashi. Undertaker only has the Shawn match in the first Hell in a Cell.

i wouldn't consider Taue a big man worker in style even if he was technically Big though. i chalk it up more to him being physically awkward and unathletic and working a style that was less cool moves-centric than his contemporaries. since we know matches score highly w/ Dave for athleticism and moves.

Spermgod fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Sep 9, 2016

remusclaw
Dec 8, 2009

Male. Bi. Unix. posted:

He did. 8/9/91 vs Muta.

It illustrates my point by being against Muta, but I obviously got my numbers from a bad list, so thanks.

Spermgod posted:

i wouldn't consider Taue a big man worker in style even if he was technically Big though. i chalk it up more to him being physically awkward and unathletic and working a style that was less cool moves-centric than his contemporaries. since we know matches score highly w/ Dave for athleticism and moves.

It might just be my view of choke slams as a big man move, as illustrated by noted superheavyweight, Hurricane Helms.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

https://www.instagram.com/p/BKJZ7M_jiGu/

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost

Silas should have beat the anime out of this man.

AlmightyPants
Mar 14, 2001

King of Scheduling
Pillbug
The director's cut of the Delete or Decay is up and it goes pretty well with the commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfazOnqXlCk

Matt Hardy has had an amazing year.

hunnert car pileup
Oct 28, 2007

the first world was a mistake

so Broken Matt is pretty much a lock for Best Gimmick winner in the WON awards, yeah?

Orange Carlisle
Jul 14, 2007

AlmightyPants posted:

The director's cut of the Delete or Decay is up and it goes pretty well with the commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfazOnqXlCk

Matt Hardy has had an amazing year.

"George - please return the hat to Rebecca, she is not wearing her sunscreen"

:lol:

The Jeff is a recovering spot monkey joke was pretty good too.

AMReese
Jan 31, 2011

I'm driving with my mind!
The kangaroo thing was a dangerous idea. Their toes are real sharp and could have caused some damage on his legs and tendons, even with jeans on.

Charles Gnarwin
Jul 31, 2014

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...


While it lacked the charm of the first, Delete or Decay is still the second best TNA thing in years.

Was that the first time Janice has actually been used?

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

AlmightyPants posted:

The director's cut of the Delete or Decay is up and it goes pretty well with the commentary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfazOnqXlCk

Matt Hardy has had an amazing year.

"This video is not available in your country" has to be about the stupidest thing the Internet does.

Charles Gnarwin
Jul 31, 2014

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...


I do worry for the animals in that janky rear end zoo where they filmed the vignettes. It looked tiny and miserable.

Cardboard Box
Jul 14, 2009

Fauxhawk Express posted:

so Broken Matt is pretty much a lock for Best Gimmick winner in the WON awards, yeah?

the only people i can think of who come even close as far as throwing themselves into a character this year are like, enzo amore or chris jericho, and even then it's still no contest

DeNomolos
Jan 10, 2013

mild mannered meatspin historian

AMReese posted:

The kangaroo thing was a dangerous idea. Their toes are real sharp and could have caused some damage on his legs and tendons, even with jeans on.

i'll have you know smokin' joe fraizer is a professional in the ring and wouldn't dare seek to permanently injure his fellow sportsman.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Charles Gnarwin posted:

Was that the first time Janice has actually been used?

It's been used (albeit more offcamera than it was here). RVD bled from everywhere once

long-ass nips Diane
Dec 13, 2010

Breathe.

DELETE OR DECAY was a pretty good time with the commentary

RIP Vanguard 1

achillesforever6
Apr 23, 2012

psst you wanna do a communism?

Cardboard Box posted:

the only people i can think of who come even close as far as throwing themselves into a character this year are like, enzo amore or chris jericho, and even then it's still no contest
The Revival is a pretty good gimmick

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"

Chris James 2 posted:

It's been used (albeit more offcamera than it was here). RVD bled from everywhere once

I think it was used first on abyss by TNA legend CRIMSON

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_ATlXCsdxQ

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Spermgod posted:

i wouldn't consider Taue a big man worker in style even if he was technically Big though. i chalk it up more to him being physically awkward and unathletic and working a style that was less cool moves-centric than his contemporaries. since we know matches score highly w/ Dave for athleticism and moves.

He rated like a million of his matches five stars. I think this started that whole tangent.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
THE MONUMENTAL PODCAST IS HERE! I have been promising to record a landmark podcast with deposed Wrestlehut 2000 moderator "Hulkamatt" and the podcast is here!

http://tindeck.com/listen/kindh

I hope you enjoyed this podcast event.


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ParanoidInc
Apr 27, 2013

You dun scuffed me for the last time you no-good Zayn boy!
Fun Shoe

Cardboard Box posted:

the only people i can think of who come even close as far as throwing themselves into a character this year are like, enzo amore or chris jericho, and even then it's still no contest

Naito would have an argument imo

Mob
May 7, 2002

Me reading your posts

ParanoidInc posted:

Naito would have an argument imo

Nothing in wrestling this year has popped me bigger than when he just tossed the loving belt over his shoulder and left the ring

(Except for getting a bro hug from Matt Riddle)

Cardboard Box
Jul 14, 2009

ParanoidInc posted:

Naito would have an argument imo

yeah, that's a good point, naito really reinvented himself this year. i haven't following njpw this year as much as i should have so he didn't immediately jump to my mind.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

MassRafTer posted:

THE MONUMENTAL PODCAST IS HERE! I have been promising to record a landmark podcast with deposed Wrestlehut 2000 moderator "Hulkamatt" and the podcast is here!

http://tindeck.com/listen/kindh

Interesting alternate fantasy booking there, but you should have mentioned what really happened in WCW in 1999 to provide some context/comparison.

Spermgod
Jan 8, 2012

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS
:sludgepal:
he knows..

MassRafTer posted:

He rated like a million of his matches five stars. I think this started that whole tangent.

yeah but his position has largely been "he kept up fine with the other three guys", not "he was an active contributor to making those matches great" i think. granted he did give the '95 CC final the full 5 which i can't see doing without crediting Taue a ton.

Spermgod fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Sep 10, 2016

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Naito is the best. Better than hardy. Matanza and Pentagon for best character too imo

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Naito is doing well when NJPW has transitioned to its new Ace during what was the peak of its company in the last fifteen years.

Matt Hardy has managed to revive a company that has never had a peak, ever*, single handedly, and no one even cares to see him wrestle to do it.

*We can discuss 2005 X-Division until we're blue in the face but that was a shining star amongst poo poo, both before and after.

Spermgod
Jan 8, 2012

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS
:sludgepal:
he knows..
this isn't the peak of NJPW in the past 15 years and Matt hasn't revived anything

Skinty McEdger
Mar 9, 2008

I have NEVER received the respect I deserve as the leader and founder of The Masterflock, the internet's largest and oldest Christopher Masterpiece fan group in all of history, and I DEMAND that changes. From now on, you will respect Skinty McEdger!

I mean Matt has revved the Hardy's as a brand and is getting more bookings for his entire family than they've had in years. But there's absolutely no sign that he's done anything positive for TNA as a whole.

Though I guess a case could be made thats as much down to Impact being the most unwatchable it's been in years outside of the Hardys.

AMReese
Jan 31, 2011

I'm driving with my mind!
I think Matt Hardy is really only a strong contender for "Best Gimmick" and maybe "Most Improved" since nobody even considered Matt Hardy as anything but the lesser of the two Hardys for most of his career. Outside of that, I'd be surprised if he even charts for any of the other awards.

Then again, the Observer snubbed Mark Henry for "Most Improved" during his "Hall of Pain" run, so what do I know?

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

naito's gimmick was better when rush and la sombra were doing it and they didn't win either

Spermgod
Jan 8, 2012

pink wasn't even a thing why is t#RXT REVOLUTION~!
and i'm so fucking excited for #SCOOPS#SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS #SCOOPS#SCOOPS
:sludgepal:
he knows..

oatgan posted:

naito's gimmick was better when rush and la sombra were doing it and they didn't win either

nobody watches lucha

Cool Post Beg
Mar 6, 2008

DADDY MAGIC

MassRafTer posted:

THE MONUMENTAL PODCAST IS HERE! I have been promising to record a landmark podcast with deposed Wrestlehut 2000 moderator "Hulkamatt" and the podcast is here!

http://tindeck.com/listen/kindh

I hope you enjoyed this podcast event.


We mention some visual aids during the podcast. The good folks at LegitShook were kind enough to gif these moments in advance so I am going to link them here: Please view them at the appropriate time.

http://static1.squarespace.com/stat...gif?format=750w
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/56bb4a97b09f956e4398482e/1455114915237/?format=750w
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/56bb4abc7da24f7d04cca9ca/1455114952338/?format=750w
http://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/56bb4ad38a65e27aeda83b61/1455114986078/getout.gif?format=750w

Really enjoyed reliving the G.P.F. of 99 guys, great 'cast.

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK
Sep 11, 2008

Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
And I am taken to a place
Where your crystal minds and magenta feelings
Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola

-Cheap Trick

Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/bryanalvarez/status/774834549108858885

AMReese
Jan 31, 2011

I'm driving with my mind!
I think Bryan could have just posted "I'd rather complain" and it would have gotten the same point across.

PaybackJack
May 21, 2003

You'll hit your head and say: 'Boy, how stupid could I have been. A moron could've figured this out. I must be a real dimwit. A pathetic nimnal. A wretched idiotic excuse for a human being for not having figured these simple puzzles out in the first place...As usual, you've been a real pantload!
"Hold on, I gotta get my poo poo in..." - Dave Meltzer

Filthy Tom brings out the best in Dave.

Tr33
May 26, 2007

Love is a tiny lion holding a donut!
Lol at the newest Observer's affiliate link

Bryan Alvarez posted:

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Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
Why didn't Vader have a longer Noah run?

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Tornhelm
Jul 26, 2008

Swagger Dagger posted:

DELETE OR DECAY was a pretty good time with the commentary

RIP Vanguard 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9N_ja4el2E

For those of us where the directors cut was geoblocked.

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