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Windows can be fine if you actually spend the money on good windows. In Duluth area where I plan to build in the next decade, we'd put something like a triple pane with coating in. Regardless my whole point is these people are house poor in a giant box, when they could have a reasonably sized house with great windows. Yond Cassius posted:It's a fashion thing. Paleo is in these days. 
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Sep 12, 2016 18:18
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Zopotantor posted:quis custodiet ipsos custodes Nice.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:25
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Too few windows and your house becomes a cave. Most people don't like living in caves. Goons excluded.
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Sep 12, 2016 18:50
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c0ldfuse posted:Windows can be fine if you actually spend the money on good windows. In Duluth area where I plan to build in the next decade, we'd put something like a triple pane with coating in. Indeed, in cold climates good windows can be energy positive - they can let in more heat via solar gain than they lose via conduction. The problem is just that good windows are expensive.
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Sep 12, 2016 19:19
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If you have enough money to build an expensive mansion, why u no hire architect? These look like they hired a spiritual medium to channel a third-rate 19th century architect.
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Sep 12, 2016 21:25
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Slanderer posted:The trellises would make sense if there were any suitable plants beneath them, instead of misc. shrubbery. My bed is on tax incentive for green buildings. Good idea. The incentive thing would make sense depending on the area for sure. The exposed lighting is either what I suggested earlier (egress lights) or possibly downlighting/landscape lighting.
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Sep 12, 2016 21:45
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This one is actually impressive!
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Sep 13, 2016 01:05
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Javid posted:What are these things and why do they seem to be all over the outside of every new commercial building that gets built near me lately? It's this stuff. You apparently get a tax credit for having a 'green wall', and mounting the mesh is really all you need to do. Most likely, whoever added it to the spec didn't communicate with the landscapers that some kind of climbing plant was necessary.
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Sep 13, 2016 01:27
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Those might very well be climbing roses. They take a couple years to really take off, and that installation is so new the light fixtures aren't in yet.
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Sep 13, 2016 03:26
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I hate climbing plants, and roses, but properly done I hear they can save a bit of HVAC costs. Don't know if they offset upkeep costs, but whatever. Rose bushes are great, I hear, for burglar deterrent, when planted under the windows.
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Sep 13, 2016 03:32
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Liquid Communism posted:Those might very well be climbing roses. They take a couple years to really take off, and that installation is so new the light fixtures aren't in yet. I can tell you 100% that they are not climbing roses.
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Sep 13, 2016 03:36
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Geirskogul posted:Rose bushes are great, I hear, for burglar deterrent, when planted under the windows. Holly bushes and barberries too. devicenull posted:It's this stuff. You apparently get a tax credit for having a 'green wall', and mounting the mesh is really all you need to do. TIL some of my neighbors have been being green simply by not keeping their Virgina Creepers and English Ivy under control. kid sinister fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 03:54
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devicenull posted:It's this stuff. You apparently get a tax credit for having a 'green wall', and mounting the mesh is really all you need to do. That is frighteningly expensive. There are plenty of vines that will grow up the side of almost any wall without laser-cut plasma-welded powder-coated steel.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:05
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Vines destroy the wall, though. And having an airgap between the plants and the wall increases shading by eliminating conductive heating. Still expensive, but I bet you could DIY it easily enough. Downside is you probably don't get a tax credit by DIYing.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:07
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Effective-Disorder posted:That is frighteningly expensive. There are plenty of vines that will grow up the side of almost any wall without laser-cut plasma-welded powder-coated steel. Welcome to commercial building construction. You could make something else, but it is easier to just buy an existing product.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:10
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Atticus_1354 posted:Welcome to commercial building construction. You could make something else, but it is easier to just buy an existing product. I figured as much. Now I'm starting to want to own a factory that builds stupid-pricey stuff for people to get LEED certification on their ugly projects.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:39
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Geirskogul posted:Vines destroy the wall, though. And having an airgap between the plants and the wall increases shading by eliminating conductive heating. True enough, and also I recently witnessed a bunch of vines being taken off the side of a house because the insurance company demanded it. If this was residential, smart money would just be some vinyl trellis and some kind of stand-off.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:48
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Effective-Disorder posted:I figured as much. Now I'm starting to want to own a factory that builds stupid-pricey stuff for people to get LEED certification on their ugly projects. If it was stupid-pricey, people wouldn't bother buying it. It has to be cheaper than the value of the goodwill. Hence silly things like motion-activated lights in the bathrooms of a building that seats several hundred people per floor. And signs telling you not the drink from the toilets since they are flushed with grey water from the floor above. (This one is probably good, I just find having the signs in every stall funny.)
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Sep 13, 2016 13:34
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~Coxy posted:And signs telling you not the drink from the toilets since they are flushed with grey water from the floor above. (This one is probably good, I just find having the signs in every stall funny.) NOW you tell me!
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Sep 13, 2016 16:17
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Just plant raspberries, burglar/mountain lion deterrent and tasty snack all in one! Just make sure you don't have bears.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:22
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On the other hand, a yard full of bears is probably one of the strongest security systems you can have.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:24
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Geirskogul posted:Still expensive, but I bet you could DIY it easily enough. Downside is you probably don't get a tax credit by DIYing. Certainly not, plus you have to use a "certified" installer, i.e: a contractor that paid the government enough to be put on the list, and who may or may not have sent one guy to an hour long seminar where they told him not to drill through wires when installing, and then tested him on the exact dates the legislation went into effect, and what the governing body's acronym stands for. /rant.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:35
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~Coxy posted:And signs telling you not the drink from the toilets since they are flushed with grey water from the floor above. You know drat well that there was an incident that caused these signs to be a requirement.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:01
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Ashcans posted:On the other hand, a yard full of bears is probably one of the strongest security systems you can have. Around the area I'm in it's traditional to have a 400lbs bear statue made of wood to guard the yard. I wonder if I could make one out of concrete.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:50
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endlessmonotony posted:Around the area I'm in it's traditional to have a 400lbs bear statue made of wood to guard the yard. Is it a mass requirement or a size requirement. If you need a Bear statue of standard size, a concrete version would be a least three times as heavy, which would theoretically make it three times safer.
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Sep 13, 2016 20:30
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Geirskogul posted:I hate climbing plants, and roses, but properly done I hear they can save a bit of HVAC costs. Don't know if they offset upkeep costs, but whatever. My intuition says they don't, and a quick review of the literature isn't really challenging that. It seems to a mix of "Huge energy savings from foliage [that provides significant shading to high solar gain windows & roofs]!" and "Vegetation coverage halves heat flux through walls [that were nearly uninsulated and a small minority of heat gain in real buildings anyway]!"
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Sep 13, 2016 20:37
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The whole vegetation/HVAC thing certainly holds true for green roofs, since they usually amass significant amounts of earth as well as the plants themselves. The majority probably comes from having a few centimetres of soil, rather than from having some random weeds on there, so I doubt some ivy would really help the overall energy efficiency. On the other hand, those kinds of plants at least counteract the erection of an ever bigger concrete jungle, so it's probably still not a bad idea.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:52
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The plants are an important part of a green roof; they absorb or reflect a significant portion of the solar gain and impact the retention of moisture (which provides cooling via evaporation). But white roofs also make a similarly large impact on HVAC loads.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:18
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As an HVACR tech, gently caress both of those things.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:55
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Why?
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Sep 13, 2016 23:15
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Benagain posted:Why? "Hey where's the loving refrigerant line?" "oh its under the dirt, we just dumped it over everything." "Okay, where does it run?" "ummmmm..."
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Sep 13, 2016 23:25
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Effective-Disorder posted:That is frighteningly expensive. There are plenty of vines that will grow up the side of almost any wall without laser-cut plasma-welded powder-coated steel. Yea, and you're only seeing the pricing for the stock panel. That's not getting into the custom panels that every architect wants...
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Sep 14, 2016 02:22
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Enourmo hit it on the head pretty much. I specifically got into commercial work so I WOULDN'T have to wade through waist high weeds to get to a unit!  Also, I don't what it is about white roofs, but the seem to collect super slippery algae crazy fast. Probably just because around here roofers seem to slap that durolast rubber stuff over the existing roof with no thought for whats underneath it. Leading to water pooling and stuff growing. That and white roofs are reflective and bright as gently caress.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:33
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Will JULIE locate on a green roof? Wait, is Julie just an Illinois thing? Who do you call in other states to locate buried utilities?
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Sep 14, 2016 03:20
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In Virginia she is called Miss Utility.
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Sep 14, 2016 03:31
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Slugworth posted:Wait, is Julie just an Illinois thing? Who do you call in other states to locate buried utilities?
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Sep 14, 2016 03:34
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Boogalo posted:In Virginia she is called Miss Utility. Ok, now I wanna know how many are feminine in name.
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Sep 14, 2016 03:39
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Slugworth posted:Ok, now I wanna know how many are feminine in name. Michigan is Miss Dig.
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Sep 14, 2016 03:42
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Louisiana is Dottie or One Call depending on who you ask.
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