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Sep 13, 2016 17:02
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I like DOFP (even if not as much as First Class, my favorite X-movie by far) but it's impressive how much better the Rogue Cut makes it. Not even just the actual stuff with Rogue, but the fact that there are a number of scenes allowed to go on for a few seconds longer than they were in the theatrical cut, and it's a good example of how even small cuts can take away from things.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:07
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I don't think the idea of Apocalypse gels well with the things that work in the X movies. DofP wouldn't have benefitted from some giant sentinel battle at then end, it worked because of the fun setting and character elements. Apoc was stuck being this boss battle at the end with essentially zero character/personality beyond the generic 'mutants good humans bad' that Magneto has said for 5 movies already, so it ends up falling flat. I feel like there was so much they could've done by just tweaking Apocalypse - what makes him tick, how he dresses/behaves, something besides making him absorb things from the TV and order around some nobodies. So far Thanos hasn't been very promising in that regard either, and I have a hard time seeing Darkseid done better than Zod.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:27
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Valkyrie suffers because it's dominated by Tom Cruise. He's just too big for such an introspective, character-driven thriller. There's also the Hitler Lives problem. Singer is a good director who gets interesting ideas in his head that don't quite work on the screen. That's why I like him. All of his superhero movies are worth watching.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:35
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:
Valkyrie forgot the most important rule: As always, for the love of god, KILL HITLER
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Sep 13, 2016 17:43
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K. Waste posted:If that scene is better than the whole movie, Apocalypse was seriously a piece of poo poo. Singer forgot that character development and pacing was important and ditched it for some reason. The movie's got some interesting stuff in it, but it's buried under a real boring plot they keep forcing in front of you all the time. It felt really lifeless. I dunno. The opening scene is amazing though. It's so violent.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:06
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The thing that bothered me most about Apocalypse was how easily and thoughtlessly he would kill people, and how he seemed to go out of his way to not kill any main characters. That and Mystique does absolutely nothing physical throughout the movie except get choked for like two solid minutes, which was a stark contrast from Days of Future Past where she was kung fu fighting dudes. It's like they were scared of ripping her costume or something.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:17
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^^^ they may well have been, I recall an interview where Jennifer Lawrence said they redid the costume from the ground up and it was a pantyhose thing.Sir Kodiak posted:The Star Wars comparison is in reference to the original X-Men, X2, and Ratner's The Last Stand, not the soft reboot that Apocalypse is part of.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:18
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Apocolypse felt like a less well-done reboot of Days of Future Past. Same plot beats, same themes, etc. They even somehow reset Magneto and Xavier's motivations and debates back to square one. Magneto must have some legitimate long-term memory issues. He's been thwarted multiple times, seems to learn that his plan of mutant supremacy is not feasible, and even has a glimpse into the future to see how well his plans turn out and he still decides to replay his exact scheme over again and hope that it works.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:20
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:The thing that bothered me most about Apocalypse was how easily and thoughtlessly he would kill people, and how he seemed to go out of his way to not kill any main characters. That and Mystique does absolutely nothing physical throughout the movie except get choked for like two solid minutes, which was a stark contrast from Days of Future Past where she was kung fu fighting dudes. It's like they were scared of ripping her costume or something. Also, how useless the Horsemen were. Magneto did his standard levitate in the air and lift big stuff and probably kill lots of people off-camera, but Angel, Storm, and Psylocke were so pointless.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:20
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Cythereal posted:Also, how useless the Horsemen were. Magneto did his standard levitate in the air and lift big stuff and probably kill lots of people off-camera, but Angel, Storm, and Psylocke were so pointless. Did you miss the part where Psylocke did a flip and then cut a car in half to show "SHE MEANS BUSINESS"??? Psychological warfare is just as important as conventional warfare. She did her part.
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Sep 13, 2016 19:23
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Cythereal posted:Also, how useless the Horsemen were. Magneto did his standard levitate in the air and lift big stuff and probably kill lots of people off-camera, but Angel, Storm, and Psylocke were so pointless. Yeah, every part of that was a missed opportunity. I even liked the character design and the actors for Storm and Angel, but they do *nothing*, it's such a waste of screentime. K. Waste posted:Nah, X2 is still aces... Agreed. Wolverine's berserker rampage in the X-mansion remains one of the most awesomely-staged action sequences in a superhero film. That, the Blade blood rave opener, and the Daredevil hallway fight are top of the pile.
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Sep 13, 2016 20:27
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Semi-related: Jessica Jones apparently won Marvel TV's first Emmy Also, the Russo Brothers gave an interview today and seemed to hint that Captain Marvel will debut in Infinity War before her solo film and that there have been talks to have at least Daredevil and maybe the Defenders do a small cameo in Infinity War. The exact quote that is leading people to think Captain Marvel is debuting in Infinity War is the Russo's saying that they "look forward to the chance to re-partner with Brie Larson" in response to a question about Marvel having the Russo's consult on Captain Marvel after Infinity War is done. The Defenders quote is more specious and is just them saying that they have talked to the Daredevil showrunner about it, want to do it, but won't confirm or rule anything out. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Sep 13, 2016 |
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Sep 13, 2016 20:32
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The exact quote that is leading people to think Captain Marvel is debuting in Infinity War is the Russo's saying that they "look forward to the chance to re-partner with Brie Larson" in response to a question about Marvel having the Russo's consult on Captain Marvel after Infinity War is done. And here I thought it was just a Community reference.
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Sep 13, 2016 20:48
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computer parts posted:And here I thought it was just a Community reference. Yeah, I thought that too. Here's the full blurb from the article: quote:Brie Larson was recently confirmed to be playing the ex-Air Force colonel, a casting announcement that seemed very far in advance, as Captain Marvel won't be released for another three years. Naturally, many people jumped to the conclusion that this meant Carol would appear in Infinity War, and the Toronto Sun asked the Russos about working with the actress, whom they previously directed on Community.
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Sep 13, 2016 20:57
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The answer to why Apocalypse was so bad can be summed up with: Simon Kinberg.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:21
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Timby posted:The answer to why Apocalypse was so bad can be summed up with: Simon Kinberg. Is that the writer?
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Sep 13, 2016 21:23
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Drifter posted:Is that the writer? And producer. He's also writing the next X-men movie. No idea if it is fair to blame him or not though.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:27
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:No idea if it is fair to blame him or not though. He shares script credit on The Last Stand with Zak Penn. He had almost no involvement in First Class. He did wrote the script of Days of Future Past, but did so on a story that Vaughn and Jane Goldman came up with, and they rewrote him quite a bit. With Apocalypse, he wrote it completely unfettered. I know that correlation isn't causation, but looking at his career, both X-Men and otherwise, the more he's left to his own devices, the less competent the scripts are.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:36
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The fact that Kinberg got through his involvement in Fantastic Four unscathed when it destroyed Josh Trank's career is a crime.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:43
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Age of Apocalypse literally had Magneto and Apocalypse destroying a majority of every major city around the world, no? Like, what's next for the series, another time travel movie to reset the worldwide destruction? That deleted mall scene made me realize I had forgotten literally every one of those characters - teen-nightcrawler, tean-jean, teen-jubilee. God what a dumb movie.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:53
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Chairman Capone posted:The fact that Kinberg got through his involvement in Fantastic Four unscathed when it destroyed Josh Trank's career is a crime. Trank's issue was that he shittalked his bosses when his bosses knew everyone else in the industry. The inverse of this is Zach Snyder, who got 4 major tentpole films because he's such a nice guy to work with.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:05
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The most memorable part of Apocalypse happens in like the first 5 minutes when a guy gets turned into a cube.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:20
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computer parts posted:The inverse of this is Zach Snyder, who got 4 major tentpole films because he's such a nice guy to work with. Well, and he makes them a ton of money.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:24
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computer parts posted:Trank's issue was that he shittalked his bosses when his bosses knew everyone else in the industry. And Snyder's movies make money.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:35
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Tezcatlipoca posted:And Snyder's movies make money. Actually, if you triple the budget for marketing and divide the gross by 4, he loses money.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:39
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computer parts posted:Actually, if you triple the budget for marketing and divide the gross by 4, he loses money. It was real stupid of WB to budget their films so they all need to hit a billion to break even
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Sep 13, 2016 22:40
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Having heard the rule of thumb for how much a movie needs to make compared to its budget to be truly profitable increase from 2 to 3 to 4 in the last few years, I'm genuinely curious which of two uniquely pathetic scenarios is true: 1) Studios are becoming that much more lavish and wasteful with their approaches to marketing and distributing movies, leading to movies that could have easily made a strong profit becoming embarrassing boondoggles 2) This is the same kind of Hollywood accounting horseshit that lets a studio claim the Harry Potter franchise still isn't profitable or whatever, except now there's a more credulous online audience that's rooting for movies they don't like to be embarrassing boondoggles
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Sep 13, 2016 22:46
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I'm guessing BvS made a lot of its budget back before it was even released just like Man of Steel.
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Sep 13, 2016 23:04
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Tezcatlipoca posted:I'm guessing BvS made a lot of its budget back before it was even released just like Man of Steel. If the number of goddamn collectible cups is any indication, probably.
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Sep 13, 2016 23:51
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Isn't Hollywood known for abusing the usage of unpaid interns? Seems like a good way to keep costs down. Also explains the quality of a lot of marketing materials.
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Sep 13, 2016 23:54
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Hollywood is a loving maze of terrible poo poo. Wording in contracts is also a major thing. I forgot which term was poison but studios set up in such a way that a film can never make a profit on paper to avoid profit sharing. There was a video someone made on youtube who broke the whole thing down and used one of the Marvel movies as an example. Corporations, man.
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Sep 14, 2016 00:06
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Jimbot posted:Hollywood is a loving maze of terrible poo poo. Wording in contracts is also a major thing. I forgot which term was poison but studios set up in such a way that a film can never make a profit on paper to avoid profit sharing. There was a video someone made on youtube who broke the whole thing down and used one of the Marvel movies as an example. You gotta get points on the backend or wahtever, not gross or net or weird poo poo. I don't know.
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Sep 14, 2016 00:16
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Drifter posted:You gotta get points on the backend or wahtever, not gross or net or weird poo poo. I don't know.
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Sep 14, 2016 00:45
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The key phrase to get in the contract is "first-dollar gross participation", which is that a percentage (almost always small - under one percent) of the money that comes in to the studio is immediately cut into a stream that specifically goes to you, before any internal accounting is done on it, at which point money just appears to disappear down a dark hole that no one in accounting is willing to rappel down into. Like nobody ever has this, though. Nolan has it. Spielberg. The Weinsteins have let Tarantino have it after Pulp Fiction basically made Miramax (Tarantino pulled in somewhere around $35-$40 million off of Inglorious Basterds, and close to that off of Django Unchained -- Quentin Tarantino is probably worth north of nine figures at this point, dude is obnoxiously rich). And I want to say only Nolan and Spielberg have large up-front quotes that they get in addition to that first-dollar gross, and I don't even know if Spielberg necessarily has that anymore, since the town for whatever reason at this point has deemed him as old hat. Jenny Angel posted:Having heard the rule of thumb for how much a movie needs to make compared to its budget to be truly profitable increase from 2 to 3 to 4 in the last few years, I'm genuinely curious which of two uniquely pathetic scenarios is true: The joke here is that distribution is cheaper than ever, as more and more digital cinema takes over, cutting out so many middlemen as now DCPs are sent by courier in bulk to like five thousand theaters across the world. No more striking prints, no more courier-to-courier passing down the line driving up costs. No more prints wearing down on a long run requiring replacement prints to be struck six to eight weeks into it - plus simpler and easier retrieval of the "films" as they get popped into boxes and dropped in a FedEx box - we're at a point now where a studio putting out an actual amount of film prints out of anything more than necessity of them wanting to play a movie in some random corner of the world is newsworthy. The 70mm roadshow presentation of Hateful Eight? That The Master and Inherent Vice were given limited 70mm runs? That Dunkirk will be IMAX 15-perf and 65mm from start to finish and available in the film print versions of those formats? These were all newsworthy. A few decades ago, it was goddamn expected that there'd be a 70mm blow-up of the big movies, with some of the truly big swaggering names in the industry getting to swing their dicks and shoot in 65. So the answer is #2. The Cameo fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Sep 14, 2016 01:29
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Jenny Angel posted:Having heard the rule of thumb for how much a movie needs to make compared to its budget to be truly profitable increase from 2 to 3 to 4 in the last few years, I'm genuinely curious which of two uniquely pathetic scenarios is true: tbh, the two aren't really seperate. having larger marketing budgets just lets you say that movies never made profits way easier
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Sep 14, 2016 01:45
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PenguinKnight posted:tbh, the two aren't really seperate. having larger marketing budgets just lets you say that movies never made profits way easier Especially when 20th Century Fox buys ad time from FX for 3x markup.
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Sep 14, 2016 01:52
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Away all Goats posted:The most memorable part of Apocalypse happens in like the first 5 minutes when a guy gets turned into a cube. Agreed. Apocalypse and DoFP are both shocking in how fuckin savage they are in their opening action scenes.
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How would Freakazoid fit into the current DC cinematic universe? Bummin' me out just not seeing it... >:[ Thats basically what Justice League needs.
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