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asur
Dec 28, 2012

momtartin posted:

I had a 2nd interview today with a company, but I don't have the guys e-mail who I interviewed with, as it's all been organized through HR. I want to send a follow up thank you note, so would it be okay to ask HR to pass it along to the guy, or just tell HR that "hey thanks for the interview with so and so, etc"?

I don't think anyone cares about a thank you follow up, but you can either ask HR for his email or ask them to pass it along.

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Chaotic Flame
Jun 1, 2009

So...


asur posted:

I don't think anyone cares about a thank you follow up, but you can either ask HR for his email or ask them to pass it along.

They do. My group is hiring and it's come up multiple times. Not in a serous way but it has been mentioned.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

asur posted:

I don't think anyone cares about a thank you follow up, but you can either ask HR for his email or ask them to pass it along.
I hate thank-you emails from people I already don't want to hire, but the opposite is true of people I do want to hire!

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Vulture Culture posted:

I hate thank-you emails from people I already don't want to hire, but the opposite is true of people I do want to hire!

And if you're not going to hire them they would probably feel better knowing they annoyed you in some small way after the interview, so it's win-win.

Dark Helmut
Jul 24, 2004

All growns up
Always do a thank you for an in-person interview you cretins, and for a phone interview if it's with your future manager or higher. It's a great way to keep the ball rolling and also to tie up anything you feel you might have left out or answered better. And believe it or not, I've seen a well-crafted thank you letter serve as a tie-breaker between two really solid candidates.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

I'm working on a portfolio of projects I've completed that I can show during an in-person interview. My planned format is basically one page per project or group of related projects, typically a large image and short description. Then I talk about it for a bit.

If I put everything in, it would take too long, so I want to stick to the best items, but I don't want to strip it down too far. How much is too much? How much is too little? (in time I would expect to talk about them or number of projects)

I've been toying with the idea of putting many projects in the portfolio, but choosing only the best to show & tell. I'm torn between the extra pages making it seem like I planned poorly and ran out of time, or showing that I have done lots of things.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



I didn't have the email of my interviewers so I just sent a copy of the thank you letter to my recruiter at the company and asked him to send it to the interviewer and he said sure no problem.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Dark Helmut posted:

Always do a thank you for an in-person interview you cretins, and for a phone interview if it's with your future manager or higher. It's a great way to keep the ball rolling and also to tie up anything you feel you might have left out or answered better. And believe it or not, I've seen a well-crafted thank you letter serve as a tie-breaker between two really solid candidates.

I did a short 30 min phone interview with 3 guys to see who they invite to the in person interview. I take it I send a thank you after that one yeah? I don't know why I'm asking it seems pretty obvious now that I would. gently caress what do you put in it?

Bitchkrieg
Mar 10, 2014

I'm now working my dream job, and love every single day. But want to vent quick.

When I was job hunting in June and July, I had one phone screen and two on site interviews for a specialist position at a bank. On sites lasted 3-4 hours and were 4 and 5 one-on-one interviews, respectively.

And then nothing, despite the assurance I would hear "either way." What the gently caress. I took two half days at my old job, commuted two hours (each time), etc, for these interviews. This was for a skilled position, too - classless, rude, disrespectful, and unprofessional.

Mostly I feel like I dodged a bullet, but it is unreal that a major player in the financial industry would be like this.

Blind Pineapple
Oct 27, 2010

For The Perfect Fruit 'n' Kaman

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1 part pomegranate syrup
Fill with pineapple juice
Serve over crushed ice

College Slice
Ok, I read the OP, but I'm not reading the other 125 pages, so sorry if this has been asked recently... What's the best way to answer a question about a long gap in employment?

For my situation specifically, I quit a job that was going nowhere 8 months ago. I've been coasting off my savings and have literally been doing nothing that could be spun as productive since my last job except enjoying my time off.

Dik Hz
Feb 22, 2004

Fun with Science

Blind Pineapple posted:

Ok, I read the OP, but I'm not reading the other 125 pages, so sorry if this has been asked recently... What's the best way to answer a question about a long gap in employment?

For my situation specifically, I quit a job that was going nowhere 8 months ago. I've been coasting off my savings and have literally been doing nothing that could be spun as productive since my last job except enjoying my time off.
After the great recession, most employers stopped caring about gaps in resumes. If it comes up, you could say something like:

"I felt like I needed a change from my old job. Fortunately, I had been able to save a considerable portion of my salary so I was able to take some time to pursue personal projects/travel/visiting family/caring for a sick loved one/volunteering/hobby/education. Now is a good time for me to re-enter the workforce."

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat
Any consulting goons in here? My wife is trying to get into the field (healthcare and life sciences specifically) and she's been having me proofread the cover letters. They are all 10 pt font, single spaced, tiny margins on all sides and incredibly dense in terms of info (I'm reading one right now that's just under 1100 words). Is this normal? She's been putting a ton of work into applying for these positions and swears that people who are in consulting say this is a good thing, but I have a really hard time buying it and don't want her to keep putting long nights into cover letters that are no hiring manager wants to read.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

C-Euro posted:

Any consulting goons in here? My wife is trying to get into the field (healthcare and life sciences specifically) and she's been having me proofread the cover letters. They are all 10 pt font, single spaced, tiny margins on all sides and incredibly dense in terms of info (I'm reading one right now that's just under 1100 words). Is this normal? She's been putting a ton of work into applying for these positions and swears that people who are in consulting say this is a good thing, but I have a really hard time buying it and don't want her to keep putting long nights into cover letters that are no hiring manager wants to read.

Maybe it varies by industry, but I wouldn't want to read a cover letter that long. And I'm feel like a bit of an outlier in that I'm willing to read longer resumes than many people. I'm sure she can express that she would be a good pick in 100-200 words rather than 1000. It will be harder, but it will likely come out better. It should be all impact. Leave out things the recipient already knows, like the position being applied to. Because the cover letter is sent with a resume, there is no need to restate everything in the letter. Hook them and get them interested in reading more, which they can do by reading the resume.

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003

There's an automotive company I'm marginally interested in applying to, and a couple new grads working there have told us through our school CS club there will be a career fair tomorrow. Problem is, they're saying a full suit is preferred. Yea, been meaning to get one of those at some point... :o:

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Smugworth posted:

There's an automotive company I'm marginally interested in applying to, and a couple new grads working there have told us through our school CS club there will be a career fair tomorrow. Problem is, they're saying a full suit is preferred. Yea, been meaning to get one of those at some point... :o:

You will be OK without a suit for a college job fair. Dress like you care about impressing the company's representative. That is, try to look sharp and present your best-groomed self -- basically do like you would for a date (don't go too far with that analogy -- do not wear cologne or jewelry). Work on having a suit for future occasions. Don't buy an emergency suit that doesn't fit for tomorrow, take your time and pick something you will want to wear.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



I just got let go from a 6 month contract position after 4 months. There was no fault involved, I just wasn't a good fit. Last contract I had, I put the full 9 month length on the resume. How should I put this one on there? I'm worried that if I say 6 month contract and the dates only show 4 months, they'll think I was a bad employee. On the other hand, if I don't include that it was a contract position, it looks like I jumped ship after 4 months, which also looks bad. How do I make the best of a bad situation here?

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

22 Eargesplitten posted:

I just got let go from a 6 month contract position after 4 months. There was no fault involved, I just wasn't a good fit. Last contract I had, I put the full 9 month length on the resume. How should I put this one on there? I'm worried that if I say 6 month contract and the dates only show 4 months, they'll think I was a bad employee. On the other hand, if I don't include that it was a contract position, it looks like I jumped ship after 4 months, which also looks bad. How do I make the best of a bad situation here?
You're really not obligated to write down the length of the contract; that's between you and your former employer. I've gotten lots of postings from recruiters for contracts that are "3-6 months."

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



So just say contract, rather than x length contract. Thanks.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
I got rejected after an onsite interview due to failing technical questions during the interview, which I am not too surprised with considering the position was a bit out of my reach anyways. I am, however, like 99% sure it was due to a specific interviewer I talked with who had a very thick foreign accent. I had difficulty understanding her questions and got a few problems wrong that I actually knew the answers to due to me not understanding what the heck she was talking about. I did try to talk out my thought process and ask for clarification, but I guess it wasn't enough?

Is a situation like this something appropriate to bring up with the hiring manager? How would you broach the subject?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



dragon enthusiast posted:

I got rejected after an onsite interview due to failing technical questions during the interview, which I am not too surprised with considering the position was a bit out of my reach anyways. I am, however, like 99% sure it was due to a specific interviewer I talked with who had a very thick foreign accent. I had difficulty understanding her questions and got a few problems wrong that I actually knew the answers to due to me not understanding what the heck she was talking about. I did try to talk out my thought process and ask for clarification, but I guess it wasn't enough?

Is a situation like this something appropriate to bring up with the hiring manager? How would you broach the subject?

What would your desired outcome be by telling the hiring manager?

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
I mean obviously it's too late at this point since the decision has already been made, but ideally it would have given the hiring manager some context to why I did so poorly with that specific interviewer. I'm not looking to blame the language barrier for my poor performance; that's just absurd. Apparently I did well on technical questions with the other interviewers.

Ultimately I need to review my knowledge of the subject area better so I can ask better clarifying questions. The stuff I got tripped up on was something I covered while practicing for the technical interview but not at great enough detail.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



dragon enthusiast posted:

I mean obviously it's too late at this point since the decision has already been made, but ideally it would have given the hiring manager some context to why I did so poorly with that specific interviewer. I'm not looking to blame the language barrier for my poor performance; that's just absurd. Apparently I did well on technical questions with the other interviewers.

Ultimately I need to review my knowledge of the subject area better so I can ask better clarifying questions. The stuff I got tripped up on was something I covered while practicing for the technical interview but not at great enough detail.

Basically there's no good outcome in trying to pin anything on that hiring manager. If you need to say something just be like "Yea I just misunderstood some of what they were asking and I should have gotten clarification" This way you are taking ownership and you are showing you are learning how to fix it.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

Hi all, I'm following up on a job interview from about 6 months ago (I just finished undergrad this summer) and I wanted to know if it would be sensible to send a new cover letter to the hiring manager. I polished the crap out of my resume and I'm really proud of it, and I want to start sending it out. The interview with this place went really well I thought, and they basically said to get back in touch with them after I finished my classes. It couldn't hurt to send out a new cover letter, could it?

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010

vyst posted:

Basically there's no good outcome in trying to pin anything on that hiring manager. If you need to say something just be like "Yea I just misunderstood some of what they were asking and I should have gotten clarification" This way you are taking ownership and you are showing you are learning how to fix it.

Is that okay to put in the follow up email? I've never been good at writing those asides from the bog standard thank you / this is why I liked the job / this is why you like me sort of deal.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



dragon enthusiast posted:

Is that okay to put in the follow up email? I've never been good at writing those asides from the bog standard thank you / this is why I liked the job / this is why you like me sort of deal.

Yea for sure. Also add something like, if you have any other positions you feel meet my qualifications don't hesitate to let me know. I really like your company *insert more bullshit here*

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

This is an odd and rather involved question, and I'm posting it in this thread as I'm not really sure where else to ask it...

I'm currently an Office Manager at a small regional marketing company (only 3 people, but we represent a lot of manufacturers as a separate entity). I'm good at my job and make decent money. But I really want to get out of here - my boss and other coworker are maddening, I don't like the way the business is run, and I really don't want to be stuck here forever (been at this company more than 5 years).

But I feel stuck - I worry that my jack-of-all-trades position is one that doesn't really exist at many other companies, and while I feel confident in my abilities to learn anything new, I worry that potential employers want someone more specialized - or else they consider the office manager a glorified secretary (with low pay to match). My job doesn't involve any HR or accounting, and office manager/exec assistant positions usually require that. I've done some project management, but I don't really know if our brand of project management really relates to how it works elsewhere. And I worry that working at such a small company hobbles me from working at anyplace bigger, even though I know I could do it.

I have a BS in Business Management, which should help, but I'm far enough removed from my schooling that my experience from this job is all I can rely on, knowledge-wise. I've never really considered the possibility of an MBA or some kind of graduate degree - I'm not sure where I would go, which program I should take, if I can afford it, and if I even have the energy to complete more schooling while working full time.

What kind of positions should I be looking for, outside of Office Manager? I don't really even know if that job title applies to what I do anymore, and what it really should be.

Here's an excerpt from my resume on my skills - feedback here is great too, but I'm posting it more as an overview of what I can do so I can get feedback on what other kinds of jobs I should be applying to.

 Managed daily business operations for marketing representative’s office
 Project and account management on sales projects of all sizes, requiring extensive product knowledge and extreme attention to detail
 Created and maintained the company’s Squarespace website with product information and resource pages
 Implemented new cloud-based organization systems (Google Drive) and updated work processes
 Provided extensive IT support, utilizing outside contractors when more specialized support was required
 Coordinated marketing and advertising initiatives including the design of promotional materials and many successful online marketing campaigns
 Designed and executed training programs on a variety of product lines to many varying groups of individuals, including salespeople and facilities managers
 Organized every aspect of events and training workshops involving dozens to hundreds of attendees
 Extensive direct customer service with salespeople and end users, covering critical sale quotes, warranty claims, and specialized product information
 Improved customer service based on customer feedback through the development of new policies and procedures
 Created a successful tracking program to manage hundreds of demo products for sales projects circulating in the local area, ensuring availability of all models and accountability of returning samples
 Interviewed, hired, and trained new employees and provided feedback to aid in developing and enhancing skills
 Wrote a detailed employee procedure handbook covering all job processes

dodecahardon
Oct 20, 2008
I am reviewing applications/resumes today and one of the skills listed on a candidate's resume is manga. :sweatdrop:

creatine
Jan 27, 2012




What's the protocol for following up on an interview? I had one Monday that I feel went well. They said that they would try to update me by today or Monday. But if I don't hear anything Monday should I email on Tuesday?

signalnoise
Mar 7, 2008

i was told my old av was distracting
I am approaching stage 3 of the interview process for a job that I desperately want. Like, it would be a loving dream and I've passed 2 phone interviews already. The next interview will be in-person with a remote employee, as I'm in Atlanta and the company is based in San Francisco. It will be in their product showroom downtown so I can see the product.

What should I expect from a Customer Success Manager in-person that I wouldn't get from the director of support (passed) and his best tech guy (passed). I did both of those over the phone.

What the gently caress do I wear to this if he says suit and tie is not necessary? I don't have any really formal clothes. My slacks are this and the most formal shoe I own is this. I do not have the money to go buy Allen Edmonds or Alden poo poo right now, as much as I'd like to. I also don't have the money to buy a suit. But I loving need this job.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


adocious posted:

I am reviewing applications/resumes today and one of the skills listed on a candidate's resume is manga. :sweatdrop:

Are you, by remote chance, hiring for the position of manga aficionado, or manga editor?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



adocious posted:

I am reviewing applications/resumes today and one of the skills listed on a candidate's resume is manga. :sweatdrop:

I'm doing the same. Also, holy gently caress some of these resumes are horribly formatted and organized.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Goodpancakes posted:

Are you, by remote chance, hiring for the position of manga aficionado, or manga editor?

Usually, though, those types of applications come with portfolios.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

I have a second interview with a local startup on Tuesday! :toot: Does anyone have any good general/PM specific advice for someone just out of uni without much interview experience? The first interview was way back in May and was just a short behavioral question type affair, so I'm assuming this one will be a bit longer/more involved.

creatine
Jan 27, 2012




So I had an interview last Monday and they said they would contact by today. If I don't hear from them today do I email tomorrow morning?

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Pumpy Dumper posted:

So I had an interview last Monday and they said they would contact by today. If I don't hear from them today do I email tomorrow morning?

I would email them yes.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
I applied for a job last Monday, but missed a phone call from one of their recruiters on Wednesday. He didn't leave a message or email me afterwards, and so far my return phone calls have gone to voicemail. Kind of worried I'm getting the cold shoulder, and don't know how often I should be trying to make return phone calls without seeming nosy. I've tried calling back twice now.

creatine
Jan 27, 2012




Emailed the person who set up my interview this morning but haven't heard anything, is this a sign they're gonna pass? Is it worth it to call and check?

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Pumpy Dumper posted:

Emailed the person who set up my interview this morning but haven't heard anything, is this a sign they're gonna pass? Is it worth it to call and check?

You might want to wait a day or two after mailing. If they don't anwser or call back they're probably blowing you off.

E: or are really busy / chaotic, which may be a bad sign. If they can't make time to call back a new hire they like...

creatine
Jan 27, 2012




LochNessMonster posted:

You might want to wait a day or two after mailing. If they don't anwser or call back they're probably blowing you off.

E: or are really busy / chaotic, which may be a bad sign. If they can't make time to call back a new hire they like...

When I interviewed they mentioned that they were busy because 2 people recently left and the team is only 5 people, now 3. So I'm hoping it's just that and I'll hear by Wednesday.

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LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


Pumpy Dumper posted:

When I interviewed they mentioned that they were busy because 2 people recently left and the team is only 5 people, now 3. So I'm hoping it's just that and I'll hear by Wednesday.

Don't be to eager though, it might hurt your negotiation position.

When losing 40% of their team has such an impact I'd make hiring great new employees my very first priority. Not making time for that just sounds stupid.

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