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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Dead Man's Party is cool and I like some of his movie stuff as well, but the Simpsons theme is far and away the most brilliant piece of music he ever recorded. Danny Elfman can hang his hat on everything starting from Forbidden Zone and ending with the Batman soundtrack (I think the Simpsons theme was a little before this). His last gimmie was Nightmare Before Christmas.
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Chocolate Teapot posted:Your initial argument came across much like "advertising doesn't affect me" but spread across a much wider, unchecked range of people who haven't said one way or the other. Like, of course "people" know about themes like Star Wars or JP generally through the wider impact such films, and not necessarily because of the songs themselves, but OSTs aren't just randomly bought for no apparent reason by a subset of the audience more into their film scores. And this is all before talking about the most blatant marriage of the two in the musical format, itself adapted from stage and opera before it. My argument was the Marvel scores never last longer than a film and therefore can never enter the public conscious in a meaningful way. Which isn't a defense on Marvel at all. It's the opposite. IF the Marvel scores did allow them to flow into the next film, and or, were used for ads or whatever, the scores would have a greater impact. There's no reason why everyone can't hum The Avengers theme, except that there isn't a Avengers theme.
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People who hum are mad annoying. Almost as bad as whistlers.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Danny Elfman can hang his hat on everything starting from Forbidden Zone and ending with the Batman soundtrack (I think the Simpsons theme was a little before this). His last gimmie was Nightmare Before Christmas. Hundu, as usual, spot on I'll cop to liking the early 90s BOINGO stuff, tho
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Hundu, as usual, spot on After 90 it was diminishing returns, but he can still be proud of lots of that stuff.
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K. Waste posted:People who hum are mad annoying. Almost as bad as whistlers. Whistling is awesome when you do it while walking down a dark corridor, in or out of your cellar, across a cemetary etc. I dare you to do all that and not whistle the Avengers theme.
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Zhou linked to this response video on his twitter, which I (and he) thinks is even better than his original. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXsH88XlKM It's really good. He shows that temp music is not new, quotes Adorno on originality, goes in on how general situational themes are reused by composers, and finally demonstrates how Hans Zimmer is part of this unhummable music trend through his musical landscapes.
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K. Waste posted:People who hum are mad annoying. Almost as bad as whistlers. sup Willy Loman
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Corek posted:Zhou linked to this response video on his twitter, which I (and he) thinks is even better than his original. This is a pro-click right here.
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Honestly at this point I just wish these videos would drop the "hummability" thing entirely, because they're fun and insightful when they're talking about literally anything else, but utterly useless when trying to provide reasons behind the hummability claim, or reasons why it's important enough to frame the videos around
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*hums Ant-Man theme in support, whatever it may sound like*
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Jenny Angel posted:Honestly at this point I just wish these videos would drop the "hummability" thing entirely, because they're fun and insightful when they're talking about literally anything else, but utterly useless when trying to provide reasons behind the hummability claim, or reasons why it's important enough to frame the videos around Pretty much. It's so dumb and subjective unlike the wealth of other criticisms that can be easily demonstrated, such as temp music similarities and how the edit dictate the composers entirely rather than allow them to work with the edit or establish scores to their own tempo constraints.
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I thought the response video pretty much dropped that angle entirely, and pointed out that the soundscape was not driven through melody, but through texture.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I thought the response video pretty much dropped that angle entirely, and pointed out that the soundscape was not driven through melody, but through texture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UerLIFo4d6k
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I thought the response video pretty much dropped that angle entirely, and pointed out that the soundscape was not driven through melody, but through texture. That's interesting though, because Tony also addressed how badly films can use the score as texture too (like with the Cap America scene). I think I'm the end he probably just hosed up the structure of his video and thesis in a lot of ways, cause the little valid points within didn't properly form a broader story or concept.
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Maluco Marinero posted:That's interesting though, because Tony also addressed how badly films can use the score as texture too (like with the Cap America scene). I've said it before but I found this to be an interesting point because, to my knowledge, this is the only time that Marvel "ruined" a scene's score by talking over it. So it seems weird to call it out or really give it any consideration at all.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I've said it before but I found this to be an interesting point because, to my knowledge, this is the only time that Marvel "ruined" a scene's score by talking over it. So it seems weird to call it out or really give it any consideration at all. True. If he wanted to hammer home a single point it probably should've been temp music given the multitude of examples.
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Maybe movies should start using the Bruce Faulconer DBZ music as temp.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Maybe movies should start using the Bruce Faulconer DBZ music as temp. Everyone would recognize the Vegeta theme.
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With regards to the "melody" vs "texture" thing, it's interesting that Golding even has to point out that Zimmer is working not only in terms of different technology, but in a completely different musical discipline from Zhou's favored nostalgic classicism. Like, that clip from Video Killed the Radio Star is way more elucidating than EFaP's man-on-the-beat interviews. It's legit fascinating to see Zimmer's progression from synthpop to power metal, and the kicker is that even this highly textural approach to music is obviously not devoid of, but in fact highly dependent upon the "inception" of melody, if you will. edit: You're in Imagination Land. You have complete creative control to make your own superhero/comic book movie. Pitch the concept and the temp music you'll use. I want to make Black Widow, and my temp music is Converge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxqKjqhnMc4 K. Waste fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Sep 17, 2016 |
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Anyways, the implicit point of comparing MAvengersCU to Star Wars is to say those won't be as memorable in 40 years or whatever. You might have noticed, in this forum at least, that the conversations surrounding these billion-dollar films just die on the vine. Avengers 2, Force Awakens, Jurassic World.... Captain America Civil War will be remembered the same way people remember, I dunno, Nightmare On Elm Street 5.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Anyways, the implicit point of comparing MAvengersCU to Star Wars is to say those won't be as memorable in 40 years or whatever. I was going to call you out on that But that is the Dream Child, the only actually forgettable Nightmare on Elm Street. You win this round, SuperMechagodzilla
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Anyways, the implicit point of comparing MAvengersCU to Star Wars is to say those won't be as memorable in 40 years or whatever. The parallel here for a lot of people would probably be something like Pirates of the Caribbean - it was a multibillion dollar franchise that was in the public consciousness as much as the MCU is today, yet who actually thinks about them that much? Even given that a new one is supposedly coming out in a year or so?
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computer parts posted:The parallel here for a lot of people would probably be something like Pirates of the Caribbean - it was a multibillion dollar franchise that was in the public consciousness as much as the MCU is today, yet who actually thinks about them that much? Even given that a new one is supposedly coming out in a year or so? Outside of 9/11, Pirates of the Caribbean was one of the fights things I realized would define the '00s. I expect the Stranger Things of the 2030s will feature a kid's room to be decorated with a PoTC poster and probably Star Wars AoTC.
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I don't remember poo poo from Pirates of the Caribbean, but I truly think Captain Jack Sparrow is totally iconic, like Darth Vader. Also, Pirates at least brought us this, speaking of music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY
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K. Waste posted:You're in Imagination Land. You have complete creative control to make your own superhero/comic book movie. Pitch the concept and the temp music you'll use. I'm Zack Snyder and I'm just going to steal someone else's score.
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computer parts posted:The parallel here for a lot of people would probably be something like Pirates of the Caribbean - it was a multibillion dollar franchise that was in the public consciousness as much as the MCU is today, yet who actually thinks about them that much? Even given that a new one is supposedly coming out in a year or so? People like to compare the superhero 'trend' to westerns, but it's really that the slasher villains of yesteryear have traded their knives for capes. Now we're in a glut of Critters and Leprechauns and whatever. The best sign of this is that the best superhero film of the last few years is easily Terminator 5, in terms of pure filmic quality.
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Terminator 5 had some of the worst casting I've ever seen. Bad movie
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:After 90 it was diminishing returns, but he can still be proud of lots of that stuff. He killed it with the original Men in Black and Spider-Man 2 (even if the latter recycled a fair amount of Batman Returns cues). And even though the movie's awful, I really liked what he did with Red Dragon.
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Todd McFarlane talking about his idea for the new Spawn movie https://twitter.com/GeekingOutAMC/status/776911060989116416 Also, I was a fan of Spawn as a kid (mostly the toys) so I made a modern trailer cut for the 1997 movie, which at the time, I thought was awesome as gently caress because I was 11. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-uWeDRUfpU teagone fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Sep 18, 2016 |
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People still talk about Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child. No one talks about Spawn, ever.
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CelticPredator posted:People still talk about Nightmare on Elm Street 5: The Dream Child. I talk about it every now and then! It's not a good movie, but it's a fun little piece of 90s camp, and John Leguizamo throwing his entire self into playing a demon clown is hilarious.
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https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/777224232023580672 Meet Gordon.
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The new chubby Batman symbol is lame. The only thing I 100% dislike about Batfleck.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I talk about it every now and then! It's not a good movie, but it's a fun little piece of 90s camp, and John Leguizamo throwing his entire self into playing a demon clown is hilarious. It's way less interesting than The Dream Child.
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CelticPredator posted:It's way less interesting than The Dream Child. It was legit cool when I was 11  I remember going to FAO Schwarz after seeing the movie and buying Attack Spawn Deluxe Boxed Edition with my birthday money.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Maybe movies should start using the Bruce Faulconer DBZ music as temp. when the gently caress is dc gonna do superman v. goku
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Stairmaster posted:when the gently caress is dc gonna do superman v. goku Only if all they do for the entire length of the movie is drive bitchin cars.
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More evidence in favor of "What if Snyder-verse Wasn't in Color?"
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The new chubby Batman symbol is lame. The only thing I 100% dislike about Batfleck. The bat isn't chubby, its jacked. Look at that bat, it doesn't even skip leg day.
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