thatguy posted:

"I've been really busy - at work."

Mirificus posted:

Tokamak posted:

So for 2.6,
(late) October/November - Evocati
November - PTU
December - Live

Now do you think they'll get 3.0 ready, and tested within a month, let alone the Christmas period?
Jesus patch just got delayed to 2017.

ManofManyAliases posted:

With such helpful people like yourselves, do I even have to post anymore? ; )

I'm currently traveling; visiting our Nation's Capital.

CrazyTolradi posted:

So, nothing to actually be concerned about then? Didn't CIG say VR support was way way way down the line?

Coolguye posted:

not enough of your username

Barn Folk posted:

it is way, way down the line but someone earlier made an effortpost about how it won't ever work in SC. Putting on the VR headset tricks your brain into thinking what it is seeing is real. When the "immersive fidelity" animations of walking up a ladder or entering your ship or even reloading your gun lock your head into an unskipable animation, your brain feels like it's being jerked around and it will make you super nauseous.

Your head moves one way but the animations make your field of vision move a different way. You get sick. It's not fun.

CrazyTolradi posted:

He's from NT, so yeah derro as gently caress. Also:

SelenicMartian posted:

Nah, that's an IKEA show room. All those screens are cardboard, and the chairs are the desks are piled up in the warehouse down the hall, along with wall art. The people are random shoppers.

ManofManyAliases posted:

With such helpful people like yourselves, do I even have to post anymore? ; )

I'm currently traveling; visiting our Nation's Capital.

Lime Tonics posted:

t-minus 3 months till the jesus patch,

thoughts are as follows :

http://i.imgur.com/gykgQTu.gifv

ManofManyAliases posted:

With such helpful people like yourselves, do I even have to post anymore? ; )

I'm currently traveling; visiting our Nation's Capital.

Mirificus posted:

A Socioeconomical Perspective on Grim Hex

Edited for BLUF (aka TL:DR): In the absence of a structured institutionalized government, mankind will always find itself organized in order to pursue common goals, even if loosely. Through said organization, paramount among all other aspects would be security, as without security, even if only offering a false perception of security, there would be no incentive to form a collective body (i.e. a port of Grim Hex).

The devs should look for a way to decentivize anti-social behavior around social hubs, while protecting individual rights to play and experience the game in a manner that is free and in the spirit of freedom of choice in the Universe. The OP suggests that this decentivization come in the form of harsh consequences in the form of automated NPC security guards, while still allowing the player the ability to commit such crimes in a specified vicinity (i.e. you can fire on other players, as you are able to now, but when you do so within the vicinity of Grim Hex, then pirate security guards will be alerted and attack you).


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As I exited the "they've gone plaid" that is quantum travel into the Yela meteor belt, I quickly located and closed in towards the bustling pirate oasis that is Grim Hex. Touted to be the Crusader System's "Mos Eisley," Grim Hex is a (near) lawless haven of scum and villainy; just the place I'm looking for.

As I piloted my Gladius closer, a Hornet, having recently left the facility, passed by me in the opposite direction, roughly 5000 km away. A safe distance, in these parts. When I had finally arrived at my destination, strafing up over the horizon of the rock formation protecting the mining facility from outside onlookers, I quickly identified two things; first was a landing zone for me to set down my ship, and the second was another Hornet, hovering over the facility and staring right at me. I immediately halted, preparing for a fight to just enter this hollowed out rock; but the Hornet didn't move, and I slowly approached and landed without any incident. As I scurried to find the entrance, having no prior knowledge of any sort of firearm prohibition (a'la Port Olisar), I noticed that the Hornet, now moving, was still pointed directly at me, now on foot, running through the corridors to find the entrance. Finally, after an excitingly uneventful five to ten minutes; I had found, landed, and entered into Grim Hex, where weapons were not permitted to be used inside of the facility.

A few minutes later, while running around Grim Hex, I heard some shooting from ships outside, then an explosion, and noticed that my ship had been blown up.

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My proposal, for consideration, would be to NOT implement a firearm prohibition, like the one at Port Olisar, around Grim Hex. Instead, I would argue that there would be swift and deadly punishment for anyone who breaks the implied "truce" within the area of protection by the owner/s of Grim Hex, or its security forces.

Any sort of inappropriate behavior, within a protected area, would be seen as a violation of the social code of conduct, and would, as one can imagine, result in being a "marked man," who could expect to not live very long.


Just something to consider, as we enter and exit Grim Hex at our own risk, wondering if it's worth the effort just to buy those sweet new kicks and a "Lies" t-shirt.

Mirificus posted:

A Socioeconomical Perspective on Grim Hex

Edited for BLUF (aka TL:DR): In the absence of a structured institutionalized government, mankind will always find itself organized in order to pursue common goals, even if loosely. Through said organization, paramount among all other aspects would be security, as without security, even if only offering a false perception of security, there would be no incentive to form a collective body (i.e. a port of Grim Hex).

The devs should look for a way to decentivize anti-social behavior around social hubs, while protecting individual rights to play and experience the game in a manner that is free and in the spirit of freedom of choice in the Universe. The OP suggests that this decentivization come in the form of harsh consequences in the form of automated NPC security guards, while still allowing the player the ability to commit such crimes in a specified vicinity (i.e. you can fire on other players, as you are able to now, but when you do so within the vicinity of Grim Hex, then pirate security guards will be alerted and attack you).


___________________________________

As I exited the "they've gone plaid" that is quantum travel into the Yela meteor belt, I quickly located and closed in towards the bustling pirate oasis that is Grim Hex. Touted to be the Crusader System's "Mos Eisley," Grim Hex is a (near) lawless haven of scum and villainy; just the place I'm looking for.

As I piloted my Gladius closer, a Hornet, having recently left the facility, passed by me in the opposite direction, roughly 5000 km away. A safe distance, in these parts. When I had finally arrived at my destination, strafing up over the horizon of the rock formation protecting the mining facility from outside onlookers, I quickly identified two things; first was a landing zone for me to set down my ship, and the second was another Hornet, hovering over the facility and staring right at me. I immediately halted, preparing for a fight to just enter this hollowed out rock; but the Hornet didn't move, and I slowly approached and landed without any incident. As I scurried to find the entrance, having no prior knowledge of any sort of firearm prohibition (a'la Port Olisar), I noticed that the Hornet, now moving, was still pointed directly at me, now on foot, running through the corridors to find the entrance. Finally, after an excitingly uneventful five to ten minutes; I had found, landed, and entered into Grim Hex, where weapons were not permitted to be used inside of the facility.

A few minutes later, while running around Grim Hex, I heard some shooting from ships outside, then an explosion, and noticed that my ship had been blown up.

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What's the point of me telling this story?

The point is to bring some additional thought to the, presumptive, anarchist paradise that is Grim Hex, and to the vast array of follow-on sister locations where pirates and ne'er-do-wells will seek to congregate.

Most of us have seen the glorious motion picture that is Star Wars: Episode 4. The idea of a near-lawless bastion of freedom, such as Mos Eisley, appeals to many people [insert political rhetoric about small government here]. However, Grim Hex, as it stands today in the game (before you hit that "Comment" button; yes, I know; everything is subject to change; that's why I'm posting this perspective for discussion), is not realistic on the grounds of socioeconomics.

Yes, I can suspend many beliefs of astro-mining facilities being suspended with cables (or whatever they are) to asteroids in a belt around a barren moon; I follow all of that. But the economist inside of me can't suspend the belief that, at the root core, Grim Hex is a port, and ports exist for one singular reason: to make money (especially if ran by pirates).

In order for any business, inside of Grim Hex, to be successful, it must make money. In order to make money, it must have a steady flow of supply and demand (yes, this is a very simplistic argument for S&D, I'm not about to discuss the Invisible Hand of Capitalism and theories by Hayek, Adam Smith, Milton Friedman, etc in a forum about a space sim; let's just go with this for the sake of argument). Supplies must be able to freely flow into Grim Hex, and customers (demand) must be able to freely flow into, and out of, Grim Hex. If customers are unable to freely flow into the port, then the businesses will leave; when the businesses leave, then the port will cease to exist.

Let's look at this in a modern concept. All political and social joking aside, if customers were genuinely afraid of risking their lives to enter into a mall, then there would be no reason for businesses to pay the mall to have a storefront. Businesses would leave, and the mall would have to close down.

This is the same with Grim Hex. In a realistic scenario, if people were genuinely concerned that they'll be killed while trying to get into the port, then they simply won't go to said port, and the businesses within would leave. If people didn't have the ability to "magically" revive inside of Grim Hex, given their wanted level, then it's likely that, given a more severe punishment to enter and exit (as is expected in launch), they simply wouldn't go there. Therefore, in order to best maintain a port, one must properly, and securely, incentivize customers to conduct business at said port.

Furthermore, on a sociological perspective of this, it is safe to assume that Grim Hex would, in fact, not be an "anarchist paradise" (to use my earlier phrase), but would actually have its security maintained by the owner/s of Grim Hex, or by a security firm (either legitimate or illegitimate). Using the Mos Eisley example, the Hutts, a criminal mob organization, provided for most of the "goings on" and protection within the system, and there was even an agreement between the Hutts and the Empire in order to maintain security of the region.

So from a sociological perspective, mankind (and by extension, alienkind, given that they are, currently, a figment of our imaginations) will always seek to form protective societies; even if said society is thought to be an uncontrolled conglomerate of individuals.

A modern day parallel of this would be that of Somali pirates. Somalia, being a near-lawless failed state (see also, basically anarchy), provided a safehaven for pirates to join together and conduct raiding parties on civilian ships. Within these roving bands of pirates, there was still structure and organization providing for security within the "in group." Though I'm not an expert on this particular subject (my experience comes from the Middle East), I would have to imagine that it was not common for Somali pirates to murder one another as they conducted their business, or else they would be unable to work together for their collective goals.

So, too, would be the case in a galaxy far far away, one would have to conclude, based on human behavior.

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My proposal, for consideration, would be to NOT implement a firearm prohibition, like the one at Port Olisar, around Grim Hex. Instead, I would argue that there would be swift and deadly punishment for anyone who breaks the implied "truce" within the area of protection by the owner/s of Grim Hex, or its security forces.

Any sort of inappropriate behavior, within a protected area, would be seen as a violation of the social code of conduct, and would, as one can imagine, result in being a "marked man," who could expect to not live very long.


Just something to consider, as we enter and exit Grim Hex at our own risk, wondering if it's worth the effort just to buy those sweet new kicks and a "Lies" t-shirt.

Young Freud posted:

I want to be an outlaw but can't make the effort of actually being an outlaw.

Barn Folk posted:

it is way, way down the line but someone earlier made an effortpost about how it won't ever work in SC. Putting on the VR headset tricks your brain into thinking what it is seeing is real. When the "immersive fidelity" animations of walking up a ladder or entering your ship or even reloading your gun lock your head into an unskipable animation, your brain feels like it's being jerked around and it will make you super nauseous.

Your head moves one way but the animations make your field of vision move a different way. You get sick. It's not fun.

ComfyPants posted:

Everytime those pics are posted all I can think of this:

vyst posted:

Head Bob is now Sandi got to where she is in life

Mirificus posted:

stingtwo posted:

This is being said about the developers who didn't know about the water line built into their own game engine for MONTHS.

quote:

Just wanted to post for you to know that the surprise [CIG] mentioned that would be announced Monday (only for Evocati) has already been announced, although we have not been able to test it yet. Hopefully either today or tomorrow. But just wanted to say that [CIG] is working in a fundamental aspect of the game, which has undergone a few modifications, that we are going to test and give feedback on. As I said, with a bit of luck today or tomorrow.

Sunswipe posted:

Looks like the B'tak Griefers org is gone: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/FEELGRIEF. And just to confirm CIG can't do a single thing right, a quote from their 404 page:

Outfuckingstanding.

tuo posted:

What did I miss?

Tokamak posted:

So for 2.6,
(late) October/November - Evocati
November - PTU
December - Live

Now do you think they'll get 3.0 ready, and tested within a month, let alone the Christmas period?
Jesus patch just got delayed to 2017. Not that it ever was going to make it anyway. This is just the first official communication that excludes a reasonable time frame for 2016.

ManofManyAliases posted:

With such helpful people like yourselves, do I even have to post anymore? ; )

I'm currently traveling; visiting our Nation's Capital.