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Batman goes from killing people in furtherance of his goal of murdering a good person to killing people in order to stop them from setting an old woman on fire. I think that's a pretty solid development, leaning away from "murderous lunatic." Oh wait, we've already had this interaction weeks ago: quote:You: Yes, Alfred says that thing about "good men being cruel" but this is never explored or contextualized within the narrative, Batman is still murdering people like a maniac after his change of heart. Killing bad people who are going to burn an old woman to death is better than killing a good Superman who wants to save the world. Deciding to do the former instead of the latter is a pretty important change. Martman fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Well, bats are known vectors for rabies. Maybe Batman is a carrier and it's turned him into a frothing-at-the-mouth murder machine.
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Batman goes from "If there's a one percent chance this alien can destroy the world then that means I have to murder him" to "I have to save But Batman now has faith in Superman like the Apostle Paul to Jesus. Men are still good.
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Martman posted:How is he about this idea any more than any other character in the movie? Or most movies, for that matter. What are you talking about? I'm not describing an idea, I'm describing a process, specifically the process that brings people to have individual morals. If someone asks "what is 'doing the right thing?'" then you have to give them a philosophical treatise. I'm not interested in doing that, especially on a question that's been debated for thousands of years. TetsuoTW posted:A sympathetic, but self-righteous prick known to occasionally be pig-headed, selfish, and gently caress things up sounds like a pretty spot-on description of America. Yes, that's why I wrote down that second paragraph. But no matter how accurate it is, I just can't bring myself to give a poo poo. Steve is Steve.
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Sep 21, 2016 07:55
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HIJK posted:What are you talking about? I'm not describing an idea, I'm describing a process, specifically the process that brings people to have individual morals.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:00
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HIJK posted:But no matter how accurate it is, I just can't bring myself to give a poo poo.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:07
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Karloff posted:Probably, I mean I could just be not brilliant and intelligent enough to understand Batman v Superman, which is of course, the smartest and best thing ever made. The greatest piece of storytelling since Shakepeare last put quill to paper.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:09
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I think what makes it look weird is that the skull, which is normally smaller than a normal head, is the same size as the head. That's what makes it weird for me.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:22
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This isn't the place to post footage from Final Fantasy X on PS2.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:26
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Honestly that's better looking than I expected out of Agents of Shield.Detective No. 27 posted:This isn't the place to post footage from Final Fantasy X on PS2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FTJxfV3pc sub supau fucked around with this message at 08:31 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 08:27
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I don't even gotta click that link to know what it is.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:34
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I think that looks pretty good for TV. Even a little gruesome.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:40
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I want it to just be Nicolas Cage's face underneath.
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Sep 21, 2016 08:49
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Karloff posted:There is no poetry, Batman and Superman's issues are still unresolved. Batman is still a murderous lunatic, and Superman is still potentially dangerous, they are not friends even if they act like it [...] The problem is that you can't even identify the issues at hand. Batman's problem isn't that he's a murderous lunatic (that's just him being an action hero), it's that he's not fighting for good and is planning to murder an innocent man. Superman's problem isn't that he's potentially dangerous, it's that everyone projects their fears and malice on him. Lol at applying those arguments to action/adventure heroes Karloff posted:it's a pat, one-dimensional, overtly simplified, barely considered story telling beat that doesn't even scratch the surface of approaching a nuanced examination of the concepts of empathy, humanity or even exposes any thematic truth about the frictions that occur between ideologically or morally opposed people. Lol
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:You weren't filming anyone and nobody was filming you? No, and it was at least ten thousand times shittier than the Lego Movie!
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Sep 21, 2016 11:42
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Ghost Rider and his car actually look pretty good, especially for a TV show. I was worried after the awkward looking promo pics Yahoo and Empire released. Ghost Rider with a motorcycle will still always be the one true Ghost Rider to me though. #NotMyRider
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wasn't empire the magazine that had really godawful promo pics whenever an x-men movie was coming out
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Actually, I take it back. This will always be the true version of Ghost Rider to me.
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Brother Entropy posted:wasn't empire the magazine that had really godawful promo pics whenever an [x] movie was coming out
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Brother Entropy posted:wasn't empire the magazine that had really godawful promo pics whenever an x-men movie was coming out EW I get, but I have no idea why Empire runs that poo poo. Their features are usually somewhat decent.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Actually, I take it back. This will always be the true version of Ghost Rider to me. He looks like he's having so much fun! 
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cool kids inc. posted:He looks like he's having so much fun! how would you know? It's not like skeletons can frown.
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Elfgames posted:how would you know? It's not like skeletons can frown. Do not tell the Punisher that.
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If Batman is a murderous lunatic, what do we think of Falcon casually immolating three men in the opening Lagos scene? https://zippy.gfycat.com/HalfNastyAmericanbulldog.webm They clearly pose no threat to him or Scarlet, who doesn't even bother to look in their direction. They matter so little, in fact, that Falcon turns his back on them, remaining completely unaffected by their weapons. At this point, Falcon doesn't order them to surrender or deploy a non-lethal gadget; he sentences them to death on the spot, their execution carried out through a video game on his tablet.
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seravid posted:If Batman is a murderous lunatic, what do we think of Falcon casually immolating three men in the opening Lagos scene?
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Batman, beginning of the movie: "Nothing I did matters...Superman can and will tear it all down...people are bad and corruptible...I'm a failure" *glares angrily into the far distance* Batman, end of the movie: "Men are still good...we should have hope...we have to do better...I failed Superman by doubting him" *sadly stares into the middle distance* Karloff: "this guy is an unhinged lunatic; a complete maniac who has resolved nothing."
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seravid posted:If Batman is a murderous lunatic, what do we think of Falcon casually immolating three men in the opening Lagos scene? It's funny and cool. Even in BvS. How can you not laugh at Batman hurling a wooden crate at a guy's head? I mean gatttdamn,
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Batman, beginning of the movie: "Nothing I did matters...Superman can and will tear it all down...people are bad and corruptible...I'm a failure" *glares angrily into the far distance* if batsman were a true hero he would turn himself in
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seravid posted:If Batman is a murderous lunatic, what do we think of Falcon casually immolating three men in the opening Lagos scene? Yeah but Batman said he wouldn't kill people in a cartoon TV show 25 years ago so therefore
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Those were new rubber explosives invented by super genius Tony Stark. Those guys are fine, they were merely knocked out (probably no concussion or long term damage) and at most received some small scratch that may cause minor discomfort.
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computer parts posted:Yeah but Batman said he wouldn't kill people in a cartoon TV show 25 years ago so therefore He also said it in the much more highly visible and successful film series that ended in 2012 but you guys are super delusional about anything involving this, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply.
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Codependent Poster posted:He also said it in the much more highly visible and successful film series that ended in 2012 but you guys are super delusional about anything involving this, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to reply. Oh, you mean the one where he killed people?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Oh, you mean the one where he killed people? Is Batman not killing a part of his character or not? I mean established beyond movies and cartoons? Has that idea ever been referenced in the comics?
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The only thing the Nolan movies make explicit about Batman killing is that he is no executioner.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Oh, you mean the one where he killed people? I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you (from the Batmobile).
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CelticPredator posted:Is Batman not killing a part of his character or not? I mean established beyond movies and cartoons? Has that idea ever been referenced in the comics? It isn't some ironclad rule like a few of you pretend it is. Nobody except weirdly fetishistic nerds care about it.
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Hold on there, guy. My only point was, it's been established as a character thing and while filmmakers and writers might push that, or completely ignore it, it's still there. So it should be understandable why people get upset about it. Like let them bitch their boring points. Every writer has their vision of Batman. No Batman is the same. My Batman, he murders people. He blows them up with Batbombs and shoves dynamite in people's pants and then kicks them into a manhole.
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Murder is heroic. But as someone pointed out earlier. Batman doesn't fire first. Every time he's visibly killed someone it was in response to deadly force used upon him.
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CelticPredator posted:So it should be understandable why people get upset about it. Like let them bitch their boring points. Every writer has their vision of Batman. No Batman is the same. The people who complain about it in BvS have to actively ignore the plethora of other media in which he kills. It is an idiotic hill to die on. They don't even care about the who or why, they only care that he does.
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