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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Would you like to show your work on undecideds "not following politics closely" goonsire? Ipso facto, not having an opinion on for whom you'll vote would seem to indicate that you don't follow politics closely AND/OR that you genuinely find attributes/policies to like/dislike in both candidates AND/OR (this seems to be the major hypothesis on this forum) that you're retarded.
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Edible Hat posted:What are you getting out of having the mindset of calling these people stupid? Does it make you feel better? Will interacting with your fellow citizen with this in your mind eventually encourage them to vote for Clinton? (This is working off the assumption that there is SOME connection between what you write here and what you do elsewhere, which you don't seem to think is the case.) why do I give a gently caress about convincing someone who is either a) lying and actually has decided who to vote for, b) is not going to vote, or c) is so capricious about their vote that they're unsure about the well-known Evil Bigoted Conman who's been in the public consciousness for decades
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vyelkin posted:Don't forget These polls have to be "dumb olds who still answer their phone or door any time someone calls" rather than "Americans." If the survey participants are "Voters" I'll buy the responses since olds vote way, way more than youngins' with their fancy secular views and such.
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Phone posted:Post it and then I'll share it in the NC thread without attributing all of your hard work. So, PPP released a North Carolina poll today with a treasure trove of HB2 questions: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NC_92116.pdf So, base questions (questions 26-35 in the poll):
Crosstabs! PPP's are the best  Though they are missing one that I would love (forced governor choice). Ah wells, sent them a request on twitter for them, who knows if they'll respond. All numbers will presented in the same order as the questions' numbers were. I'm not going to go full tilt here unless someone really wants a specific one, but some choice highlights (mostly just views of HB2).
The biggest thing that stands out is the 18-29 age breakdown. How the gently caress do you get 61% of that group saying LGBTQ are cool and only 39% saying HB2 is trash?  There you go, any more crosstabs on request, or you can look at them yourself.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:51
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:What do you get out of dutifully defending the honor of faceless "undecided voters" on a comedy forum? Does it make you feel better? Etc. It does, actually. I also think convincing you (as a Clinton supporter) to not insult undecided voters will help the Clinton campaign. As another Clinton supporter, that does make me feel better as well.
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woke wedding drone posted:It's certainly strategically neutral to insult undecided voters. After all if they can't find the information they need to vote for Clinton, how are they going to find my insults? You just wait on that mega reddit dox thread.
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Edible Hat posted:It does, actually. I also think convincing you (as a Clinton supporter) to not insult undecided voters will help the Clinton campaign. As another Clinton supporter, that does make me feel better as well. I am sure that any of us actually talking to an undecided voter irl, would be sure to mention how dumb we think they are.
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Noam Chomsky posted:These polls have to be "dumb olds who still answer their phone or door any time someone calls" rather than "Americans." If the survey participants are "Voters" I'll buy the responses since olds vote way, way more than youngins' with their fancy secular views and such. Actually, the YouGov surveys are done online. They get a big opt-in sample and then randomly select a smaller sample that is representative of the national population to give a loving huge online survey with like 200 questions. It's not the best methodology and certainly has its own problems compared to more traditional methods but it's probably the one most likely to oversample young people who are comfortable with computers and the internet, and weed out technoilliterate old people.
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Edible Hat posted:It does, actually. I also think convincing you (as a Clinton supporter) to not insult undecided voters will help the Clinton campaign. As another Clinton supporter, that does make me feel better as well. How misguided.
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Edible Hat posted:It does, actually. I also think convincing you (as a Clinton supporter) to not insult undecided voters will help the Clinton campaign. As another Clinton supporter, that does make me feel better as well. Your creepy insistence that all my words and deeds should be in service of Clinton's campaign are giving me pause about the concept of voting, so you should feel awful.
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Hello, this is BI NOW GAY LATER calling on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign and I wondered if you had made up your mind about who you were planning to support in the presidential election this year? Oh you haven't? Jesus christ you're loving moron. Vote Hillary you loving idiot.
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iospace posted:The biggest thing that stands out is the 18-29 age breakdown. How the gently caress do you get 61% of that group saying LGBTQ are cool and only 39% saying HB2 is trash? Skimming it, the survey just asks about HB2. It doesn't explain what it is.
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vyelkin posted:Actually, the YouGov surveys are done online. They get a big opt-in sample and then randomly select a smaller sample that is representative of the national population to give a loving huge online survey with like 200 questions. It's not the best methodology and certainly has its own problems compared to more traditional methods but it's probably the one most likely to oversample young people who are comfortable with computers and the internet, and weed out technoilliterate old people. Well, poo poo... Huzanko fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Doredrin posted:How is Trump even competitive in Florida where around 37% of the population is either black or latino?
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Edible Hat posted:It does, actually. I also think convincing you (as a Clinton supporter) to not insult undecided voters will help the Clinton campaign. As another Clinton supporter, that does make me feel better as well.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:56
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iospace posted:
I'm gonna say it's people who are alright with the LGB part but not the T part.
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Noam Chomsky posted:well, poo poo... Also unfortunately, YouGov either doesn't do or doesn't release crosstabs so we just have to kind of guess who's answering those questions in which ways.
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eviltastic posted:Skimming it, the survey just asks about HB2. It doesn't explain what it is. That's what I'm guessing, but it was a national news thing, not some local thing. It'd be like someone not knowing about Act 10 if you asked them about it in 2011 in Wisconsin. Pakled posted:I'm gonna say it's people who are alright with the LGB part but not the T part. Or this. Either or (this one is worse than pure ignorance)
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Sep 21, 2016 16:58
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vyelkin posted:Also unfortunately, YouGov either doesn't do or doesn't release crosstabs so we just have to kind of guess who's answering those questions in which ways. In any case I'd assume someone with the time and inclination to fill out a 200 question survey online probably doesn't have a lot going on in their lives and maybe not upstairs. It's probably another one of my dumbass assumptions, but I'd assume most people who don't think we're actually living in the end times or that the bible can predict the future would have time for or interest in that.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hello, this is BI NOW GAY LATER calling on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign and I wondered if you had made up your mind about who you were planning to support in the presidential election this year? You've perfectly captured how I interact with undecided voters irl, eery
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Hi, I hear you haven't made up your mind between Literally Hitler and Literally Not Hitler. That's cool. You seem reasonable and not an idiot, tell me more about your concerns.
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Sep 21, 2016 17:00
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vyelkin posted:Also unfortunately, YouGov either doesn't do or doesn't release crosstabs so we just have to kind of guess who's answering those questions in which ways. They do, I've dug into them before. You just need to know where to look. For example, the crosstabs for that 13 state poll they just did: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/aya8wdzyb3/Battleground_ForRelease_20160918%20(1).pdf
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Hello, this is BI NOW GAY LATER calling on behalf of the Hillary Clinton campaign and I wondered if you had made up your mind about who you were planning to support in the presidential election this year? I would phone bank every day if I was allowed to do this.
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Sep 21, 2016 17:02
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I am sure that any of us actually talking to an undecided voter irl, would be sure to mention how dumb we think they are. These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. 
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iospace posted:They do, I've dug into them before. You just need to know where to look. For example, the crosstabs for that 13 state poll they just did: https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/aya8wdzyb3/Battleground_ForRelease_20160918%20(1).pdf Hmm, you're right and actually I found the crosstabs for the poll I was looking at. I'll take a look and dig up some good info
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. Sounds like they need a safe space.
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Hillary Clinton op-ed in the NYT on her plans to address poverty: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/opinion/hillary-clinton-my-plan-for-helping-americas-poor.html?ref=opinion
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. are you real
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I'm not the biggest fan of Don Lemon but the amount of patience he has with Lewandowski is saint like. http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/watch-don-lemon-has-had-it-trumps-racism This is the 3rd or 4th clip I've seen of them going at it the last few weeks and I don't know how he holds back as much as he does. I would leap across the desk and strangle him if I had to listen to that.
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Edible Hat posted:I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. Oh, way more than 15 percent of the population is dumb, these ones are just dumb in a unique sort of way.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:Your creepy insistence that all my words and deeds should be in service of Clinton's campaign are giving me pause about the concept of voting, so you should feel awful. I am saying don't call strangers dumb.
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. I think a lot of people would feel better if we could trick ourselves into believing things that aren't true.
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. I just snorted IRL
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On Terra Firma posted:I'm not the biggest fan of Don Lemon but the amount of patience he has with Lewandowski is saint like. I like the part where Trump inferred that blacks were better off under slavery.
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Edible Hat posted:I am saying don't call strangers dumb. Anybody who considers voting for Trump is either dumb or an rear end in a top hat (or both).
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. I would feel a lot better if I only thought that 15% of the population were dumb.
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Andrast posted:Anybody who considers voting for Trump is either dumb or an rear end in a top hat (or both). Or a racist rear end in a top hat who is also dumb.
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*looks at polling* Yeah 15% seems p low.
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Edible Hat posted:These people are your coworkers, neighbors, etc. They likely know whom you support. Your belief about how stupid they are will affect how you interact with them, even if you don't state that you think they're dumb explicitly. Their association of Clinton with your generally dismissive attitude towards them will, at the level of the lizard brain, have some effect on their decision in November. I am not asserting this would be a major or decisive effect. I am saying, as a rule, you shouldn't be a dick. I also think you might feel better if you stop thinking 15 percent of the population is dumb. They're all too dumb to be capable of reading so as long as I don't say anything out loud they can't get their feelings hurt. I make sure to carry a lolly with me to cheer them up if I meet them in person.
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Edible Hat posted:I am saying don't call strangers dumb. Can I call your quixotic quest to end jokes dumb? Because it's dumb
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