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Tatum Girlparts posted:this is fine For context Mi Abuela's numbers with the terminally stupid are 10/75
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Edible Hat posted:I am making no assertions. I am, of course, making a generalization about the mindset of the people who have not decided whom to vote for already in this election. Secondarily, I am arguing that calling all undecided voters dumb is both unhelpful in encouraging them to vote for Clinton and empirically unverified. You're making an assertion that undecided voters are "hard working stiffs who don't have time to follow politics closely" and following that up with us, on a comedy forum, talking among ourselves about how we think undecideds are strange matters.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:22
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Haha, that PPP poll:quote:-By a 30/23 spread, Trump voters in North Carolina say they have a higher opinion of David Duke than they do of Hillary Clinton.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:23
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computer parts posted:Like imagine if Joe Lieberman was the Dem nominee. Even though he's a terrible vile man, do you think he's worse than Trump? Would you vote for him to keep Trump out of office? I would.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:23
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You're making an assertion that undecided voters are "hard working stiffs who don't have time to follow politics closely" and following that up with us, on a comedy forum, talking among ourselves about how we think undecideds are strange matters. They don't have time to follow politics because they're too busy reading goons insulting them and getting very offended and are now voting for Trump!
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Sep 21, 2016 16:24
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Defense Attorney Sparks Black Lives Matter Protest After Refusing To Remove Pinquote:LAS VEGAS (AP) — A defense attorney touched off a protest about race and free expression in a Las Vegas courtroom when she refused to remove a "Black Lives Matter" button from her blouse despite a judge's request not to demonstrate what he called "political speech." quote:"We are certain that the courts would not allow similar public displays from citizens who believe that killers should be sentenced to death or that sexual predators should be castrated," Las Vegas Police Protective Association director Steve Grammas wrote. "While we embrace the First Amendment, we do not believe that such statements should be made in the halls of justice." The concepts of death, torture and black lives mattering are equal
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Sep 21, 2016 16:25
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Don King might be the only person who is an even shadier motherfucker than Donald Trump.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:25
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Cheesus posted:Jesus, today's On Point about Trump's "charities"... I can respect anyone who's willing to change their mind in the face of new facts, because that usually takes some humility and openness, but come on did it really take them this long?
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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/778433050401185793 ah yes, racism is over
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Sep 21, 2016 16:26
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You're making an assertion that undecided voters are "hard working stiffs who don't have time to follow politics closely" and following that up with us, on a comedy forum, talking among ourselves about how we think undecideds are strange matters. The only assertion I am making perhaps is that undecided voters THINK that (note the quotations marks in the initial post) and I am also making the pretty mundane argument that the mindset that every undecided voter is stupid is an unhelpful one. You guys are really weird: that's an assertion, I guess.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:27
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iospace posted:One other thing (UNLESS SOMEONE DISTRACTS ME AGAIN FROM DOING THE HB2 POST): NC Senate race is tied 41/41. Nice, drat nice. emdash posted:https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/778433050401185793 Donald Trump cares about black people. No, really.
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woke wedding drone posted:Defense Attorney Sparks Black Lives Matter Protest After Refusing To Remove Pin Another bang up police union/association comment that I'm totally sure does not speak at all for the members.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:28
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Yes, on the other hand the same group gives Clinton a -65 approval rating, 10% favourable to 75% unfavourable. Then again they break for Obama over Trump 62-5. So maybe Obama should hold a few rallies in NC on Clinton's behalf.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:29
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computer parts posted:You have to keep in mind that many Republicans view Hillary exactly the same way you view Trump. Like a few have the "she is the literal Antichrist" mantra going around but the vast majority of them just see her as exactly the thing that will cause America's downfall and we have to fight against her by any means necessary. As someone who would not vote not Hillary if she was on the ballot here, I find it stupid because the things I disagree with, are not things that are issues that the right leaning people are upset about, but rather Benghazi and all the other bullshit that I find to be overblown, if not false, and don't really stand up to scrutiny. And if I was American, I would vote Hillary, because the republicans are even worse, and being left and voting against both the Republicans and the Democrats still helps the republicans more, with Jill Stein is being a poo poo candidate on her own anyhow.
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"If I'm elected I'm going to make all black people's lives better, but also they're idiots and racism doesn't exist"
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Edible Hat posted:The only assertion I am making perhaps is that undecided voters THINK that (note the quotations marks in the initial post) and I am also making the pretty mundane argument that the mindset that every undecided voter is stupid is an unhelpful one. You guys are really weird: that's an assertion, I guess. They are loving braindead stupid, though. Especially this go-round.
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How is Trump even competitive in Florida where around 37% of the population is either black or latino?Eugene V. Dabs posted:"If I'm elected I'm going to make all black people's lives better, but also they're idiots and racism doesn't exist" That is actually one correct way of going about it, but it takes an amount of skill that the vast majority of politicians lack.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:32
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Doredrin posted:How is Trump even competitive in Florida where around 37% of the population is either black or latino? The same reason he's competitive in any deep south state: white people.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:32
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Doredrin posted:How is Trump even competitive in Florida where around 37% of the population is either black or latino? Likely a combination of white people breaking for him by high double digits and pollsters figuring that Black and Latino Floridians will have lower turnout rates.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:33
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vyelkin posted:Yes, on the other hand the same group gives Clinton a -65 approval rating, 10% favourable to 75% unfavourable. Then again they break for Obama over Trump 62-5. So maybe Obama should hold a few rallies in NC on Clinton's behalf. A few more, all across the state. Charlotte is where he first spoke with Hillary on the campaign trail, and that was during one of her worst weeks.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:34
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Doredrin posted:How is Trump even competitive in Florida where around 37% of the population is either black or latino? Because 63% of the population is neither black nor Latino? Is this a trick question?
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:They are loving braindead stupid, though. Or, maybe, just maybe, they don't value following electoral politics as much as you do? (And what does it say about these "braindead stupid" people that they overwhelmingly support Obama?)
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vyelkin posted:Likely a combination of white people breaking for him by high double digits and pollsters figuring that Black and Latino Floridians will have lower turnout rates. 23% of the national vote in 2012 was either black or hispanic. DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Because 63% of the population is neither black nor Latino? Is this a trick question? Yes and you would need an overwhelming majority of white votes to make up for the difference. I have no idea how republicans are competitive in many states.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:35
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Doredrin posted:23% of the national vote in 2012 was either black or hispanic. 28.5% of the national population in 2010 was either black or latino, so yeah they were underrepresented.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:37
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Edible Hat posted:Or, maybe, just maybe, they don't value following electoral politics as much as you do? (And what does it say about these "braindead stupid" people that they overwhelmingly support Obama?) Stupid people can occasionally stumble upon a correct opinion, much like a drunkard stumbling upon a moment of clarity and inspiration
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Edible Hat posted:Or, maybe, just maybe, they don't value following electoral politics as much as you do? (And what does it say about these "braindead stupid" people that they overwhelmingly support Obama?) you know I haven't heard much about this trump fella, wonder what he stands for --the average american
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Edible Hat posted:Or, maybe, just maybe, they don't value following electoral politics as much as you do? (And what does it say about these "braindead stupid" people that they overwhelmingly support Obama?) Obviously we follow politics to a degree that is unrealistic for an average person, but surely anyone interested in forming an opinion between Hillary and Trump could easily have done it in the past year or so.
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Sep 21, 2016 16:39
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vyelkin posted:Don't forget the nice thing is that these people think the bible can loving predict the future and they still dont read it divination is condemned throughout the bible and the use of the bible as divination is specifically condemned at least once iirc
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Edible Hat posted:Or, maybe, just maybe, they don't value following electoral politics as much as you do? (And what does it say about these "braindead stupid" people that they overwhelmingly support Obama?) Would you like to show your work on undecideds "not following politics closely" goonsire?
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WampaLord posted:Obviously we follow politics to a degree that is unrealistic for an average person, but surely anyone interested in forming an opinion between Hillary and Trump could easily have done it in the past year or so. It's pretty easy to avoid news if you don't watch TV every day. Even if you do, just don't watch CNN et all and you can be insulated from 90% of it.
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WampaLord posted:Obviously we follow politics to a degree that is unrealistic for an average person, but surely anyone interested in forming an opinion between Hillary and Trump could easily have done it in the past year or so. Yeah and my dentist thinks surely I could have started flossing more regularly by now. I simultaneously sympathize with undecided voters and think many of them are dumb.
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Eugene V. Dabs posted:Stupid people can occasionally stumble upon a correct opinion, much like a drunkard stumbling upon a moment of clarity and inspiration What are you getting out of having the mindset of calling these people stupid? Does it make you feel better? Will interacting with your fellow citizen with this in your mind eventually encourage them to vote for Clinton? (This is working off the assumption that there is SOME connection between what you write here and what you do elsewhere, which you don't seem to think is the case.)
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Yeah and my dentist thinks surely I could have started flossing more regularly by now. Tell your dentist to get with the times: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f7e66079d9ba4b4985d7af350619a9e3/medical-benefits-dental-floss-unproven
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Sep 21, 2016 16:44
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Edible Hat posted:I am also making the pretty mundane argument that the mindset that every undecided voter is stupid is an unhelpful one. Every undecided voter is a moron. It has nothing to do with how busy they are. Insulting them might not be strategically helpful, but it doesn't change reality.
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Edible Hat posted:What are you getting out of having the mindset of calling these people stupid? Does it make you feel better? Will interacting with your fellow citizen with this in your mind eventually encourage them to vote for Clinton? (This is working off the assumption that there is SOME connection between what you write here and what you do elsewhere, which you don't seem to think is the case.) None of my friends are dumb enough to be undecided voters, and I don't talk politics with strangers.
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Edible Hat posted:What are you getting out of having the mindset of calling these people stupid? Does it make you feel better? Will interacting with your fellow citizen with this in your mind eventually encourage them to vote for Clinton? (This is working off the assumption that there is SOME connection between what you write here and what you do elsewhere, which you don't seem to think is the case.) That's all very interesting, sir, but you're holding up the line.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Every undecided voter is a moron. It has nothing to do with how busy they are. Insulting them might not be strategically helpful, but it doesn't change reality. Nor does our opinion that we're airing to each other really effect anything.
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It's certainly strategically neutral to insult undecided voters. After all if they can't find the information they need to vote for Clinton, how are they going to find my insults?
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Edible Hat posted:What are you getting out of having the mindset of calling these people stupid? Does it make you feel better? Will interacting with your fellow citizen with this in your mind eventually encourage them to vote for Clinton? (This is working off the assumption that there is SOME connection between what you write here and what you do elsewhere, which you don't seem to think is the case.) What do you get out of dutifully defending the honor of faceless "undecided voters" on a comedy forum? Does it make you feel better? Etc.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Every undecided voter is a moron. It has nothing to do with how busy they are. Insulting them might not be strategically helpful, but it doesn't change reality. This election is basically fascism vs. not and has been since the conventions. Undecideds are embarrassed that they are fascists, hence "undecided."
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