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bobkatt013 posted:That was the thing that lead to his fate I know that, but it sucks that got retconned in. 'oh BTW he's been a junkie all along, and now he dies.' Talk about character assassination, both literal and metaphorical. And I say that as someone who likes the overall story. I'm the guy who gets overly attached to C-Listers, it's my thing.
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Vote Loki ended so unbelievably well. Christopher Hastings spent three loving months heavily implying that it wasn't a Gillen Loki story only for it to be revealed to be a Gillen Loki story in the final issue and it's loving incredible. If you quit Vote Loki because the political satire was too biting or the entire thing was too dark or it didn't use Gillen Loki's characterization, pick it up. Because that final loving issue makes the whole thing tie together in a way that was mother loving incredible.
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Sep 22, 2016 02:54
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Sorry, but what makes a 'Gillen Loki' story a Gillen Loki story?
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Sep 22, 2016 03:17
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That Loki's trying to change his nature, rather than Loki Mwahahahaha
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Kieron Gillen basically reinvented the character of Loki from the ground up when he was killed off/reborn in and after Siege, giving him an arc away from usual villain / angry little brother with a grudge into pained anti-hero who did the 'right thing', but usually in a really morally dubious or unethical way. He also made it a story (more saga, really, considering how long the Loki arc runs and how many different comics it covers) about Loki trying desperately to distance himself from his own horrible legacy and be redefined on his own terms, leading to - when Ewing took over the character in Loki: Agent of Asgard - this huge moment where he gives up the mantle of 'God of Mischief' and rechristens himself the 'God of Stories'. That's basically the summation of it, but Young Loki/Gillen Loki is basically a totally different character (Gillen made Loki specifically genderfluid, amongst many other things) from the Loki that came before/fought the Avengers in their first issue. Christopher Hastings presented a version of Loki that seemed to sort of square with the version that existed pre-Gillen (self-interested prick focused entirely on manipulating others for his own gain) and inverted it in the final issue by squaring it with the current interpretation of Loki in a way that not only was congruent, but made sense and was earned. It was an excellent, excellent end to the mini.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:36
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Can someone spoil it for me? I couldn't handle the art.
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Sep 22, 2016 05:41
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Loki was a Hillary plant. 
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Sep 22, 2016 06:59
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/4smpzp/full_list_of_anad_marvel_titles_being_cancelled/ Books being 'Cancelled' some of these are being relaunched, and some of them are just dead, they aren't really surprising given public data and plans for the future.
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Sep 22, 2016 09:01
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Wow is it disappointing to see Spider-Man/Deadpool getting cancelled. I already knew about Vision, but Astonishing Ant-Man, Carnage, Spider-Man/Deadpool, Drax, and Spidey getting cancelled as well is a bit of a bummer.
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Toxxupation posted:Kieron Gillen basically reinvented the character of Loki from the ground up when he was killed off/reborn in and after Siege, giving him an arc away from usual villain / angry little brother with a grudge into pained anti-hero who did the 'right thing', but usually in a really morally dubious or unethical way. He also made it a story (more saga, really, considering how long the Loki arc runs and how many different comics it covers) about Loki trying desperately to distance himself from his own horrible legacy and be redefined on his own terms, leading to - when Ewing took over the character in Loki: Agent of Asgard - this huge moment where he gives up the mantle of 'God of Mischief' and rechristens himself the 'God of Stories'. Is this from Gillen's run on Journey Into Mystery? I remember him doing a lot of Asgard stuff, but that seems like the run that focuses most on Loki.
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Onmi posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/4smpzp/full_list_of_anad_marvel_titles_being_cancelled/ No more A Force makes me sad, though with She-Hulk getting the new solo Hulk title and apparently Captain Marvel rebooting I guess it's not too shocking, mildly disappointed about Mockingbird too. I was just going to get that in trades though. Completely different topic but something that I've wondered about since Last Days and the ANAD relaunch. In Ms Marvel, Kamala tell her mum about her superheroing and her mum reveals she had already figured it out. Did that still happen in the ANAD universe or not? I didn't read the main event that was centred around so it was possibly explained there. Anime_Otaku fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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I thought Spider-Man/Deadpool was selling well? Did editorial not like Kelly making repeated references to OMD?
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Yvonmukluk posted:I thought Spider-Man/Deadpool was selling well? Did editorial not like Kelly making repeated references to OMD? To clarify a book being 'cancelled' doesn't mean it wont be relaunched. Like... Venom: Space Knight, becoming just Venom. They might want to make Spider-Man/Deadpool instead a Crossover of X/Deadpool or X/Spiderman.
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Sep 22, 2016 11:41
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That list is two months old and there's an issue of Spider-Man/Deadpool in the December solicits, so the list might not be reliable anymore.
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Considering Mockingbird was originally only 6 issues, thats not too bad. Not surprised about Scarlet Witch, it didn't really seem like a series that was made for a long run. Though A-force makes me sad, it's probably a victim of post CW2 fallout.
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Sep 22, 2016 12:32
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I've been trying to think of how CW2 could be any dumber...just watch, they're going to make Ulysses one of the split off pieces of Kang the Conqueror and that's what he's doing, he's not telling the future, he's remembering it/manipulating it.
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Sep 22, 2016 13:09
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If you read the comments it's seems clear that "LRedditor15" has no inside source and is just going by rumors and that list of NOW!-2 books we already know is incomplete.
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Anime_Otaku posted:Completely different topic but something that I've wondered about since Last Days and the ANAD relaunch. In Ms Marvel, Kamala tell her mum about her superheroing and her mum reveals she had already figured it out. Did that still happen in the ANAD universe or not? I didn't read the main event that was centred around so it was possibly explained there.
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Martinpale posted:I've been trying to think of how CW2 could be any dumber...just watch, they're going to make Ulysses one of the split off pieces of Kang the Conqueror and that's what he's doing, he's not telling the future, he's remembering it/manipulating it. This sounds good though.
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Sep 22, 2016 15:22
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So Ulysses is just Iron Lad playing hookie again?
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Sep 22, 2016 15:31
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Mr Hootington posted:This sounds good though. Oh no, it sounds great, AND they've laid the groundwork for it with both the Inhumans and the Avengers. I just don't trust Bendis to pull it off and not use it as some sort of 'punching time' reset button somewhere down the line. Bendis has already shown he can't handle time travel, etc. with any sort of finesse. We Got Us A Bread fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 17:59
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Martinpale posted:Oh no, it sounds great, AND they've laid the groundwork for it with both the Inhumans and the Avengers. I just don't trust Bendis to pull it off as and not use it as some sort of 'punching time' reset button somewhere down the line. Bendis has already shown he can't handle time travel, etc. with any sort of finesse. Oh yeah I forget Bendis is writing it and he is awful at time travel. It being Kang loving with everyone is cool and he hasn't been a real big baddie for awhile. Fake edit: what other big avengers villains haven't shown up for awhile? Ultron pops up every other arc so he can stay away.
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Mr Hootington posted:Fake edit: what other big avengers villains haven't shown up for awhile? Ultron pops up every other arc so he can stay away. Jim Shooter.
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Sep 22, 2016 19:14
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It weirds me out whenever I see people talk about how much they miss Jim Shooter being in charge of Marvel. Nostalgia is a strange beast.
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Jim Shooter should be the villain in the next big Marvel crossover.
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Sep 22, 2016 19:27
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Mr Hootington posted:Oh yeah I forget Bendis is writing it and he is awful at time travel. It being Kang loving with everyone is cool and he hasn't been a real big baddie for awhile. I don't know what constitutes big baddie, but I feel like he's showing up all the time. Before Secret Wars, he was in the Avengers Original Sin tie in, and before that he was responsible for the Apocalypse Twins in Uncanny Avengers. Fraction's FF, etc; He hasn't been center to any events, but he's always around in one story or another.
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Lurdiak posted:It weirds me out whenever I see people talk about how much they miss Jim Shooter being in charge of Marvel. Nostalgia is a strange beast. To be fair, I've seen at least one person make a good case if he'd been successful in his bid to buy Marvel, we might have avoided the excesses of the Dark Age.
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I'm the one person that wants another High Evolutionary arc. I a have soft spot for that particular purple faced villain among other purple faced villains. I know in recent years he's been in Uncanny Avengers and New Warriors but I welcome him any time they trot him out.
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Sep 22, 2016 19:37
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The 80s had some of the best Marvel runs ever, for so many different characters. I don't know when exactly Shooter presided over them (well, I know during Secret Wars at least) but it would make sense that some people pine for that era again even if what they're doing is attributing the stories to Shooter and not the rest of the editors and writers/artists.
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Sep 22, 2016 19:40
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Jim Shooter presided over Avengers 200, but he also gave me Valiant. So it balances out.
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X-O posted:I'm the one person that wants another High Evolutionary arc. I a have soft spot for that particular purple faced villain among other purple faced villains. I know in recent years he's been in Uncanny Avengers and New Warriors but I welcome him any time they trot him out. Purple is like a seal of quality for super villains.
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Vision #11 question - are King's references from the original comics? Specifically the dialogue between Vision and Ultron upon his creation, and how he got his name.
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Martinpale posted:I've been trying to think of how CW2 could be any dumber...just watch, they're going to make Ulysses one of the split off pieces of Kang the Conqueror and that's what he's doing, he's not telling the future, he's remembering it/manipulating it. Y'notice how a lot of the issue has characters wondering why other characters are on the side that they're on, but...no one ever actually answers or give any definitive reasoning for their positions? Like, wait Doctor Strange, why are you actually against pre-crimes? Or gee, Star-Lord, do you really believe Carol's right, here? But then nothing. Storm says some vague thing about the visions being useful, I guess, but beyond that there's no substance behind why anyone's actually doing anything here. Oh but sure let's spend like four pages showing our fresh break-out "character" Ulysses being doe-eyed and pathetic and having another uncontrolled vision about an arbitrary ludicrous event that grinds the ""plot"" to a screeching random curveball that makes no sense. Hey, remember how Carol's got a innocent women locked up indefinitely for no reason whatsoever and that's the whole reason you started fighting here in the first place? Should someone do something about that?...no?...okay. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 21:10
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Remember how Carol emotionally manipulated a Muslim child to be in favor of profiling?
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bagrada posted:Vision #11 question - are King's references from the original comics? Specifically the dialogue between Vision and Ultron upon his creation, and how he got his name. Yup. He mentioned it in the letters page. 
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Wolverine: the end is an awful comic mini series. Rucka's wolverine is pretty good and I recommend it.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Yup. He mentioned it in the letters page. Oops. I remember reading most of those letters but somehow I skimmed over the opening paragraph. Thanks.
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Mr Hootington posted:Rucka's wolverine is pretty good and I recommend it. The "Coyote Crossing" arc is one of the great "lost" stories of the character. You probably can't fit it into continuity without a crowbar, but it's a good read.
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Jim Shooter was Editor in Chief of Marvel from 1978-1987, which is longer than anyone besides Lee or Quesada. Avengers 200 was a real piece of poo poo and I guess he kept a lot of creators from their full artistic expression or whatever, but he also published Miller's Daredevil, Simonson's Thor, the prime years of Claremont X-Men, Byrne FF, Stern/Buscema Avengers, Stern/Romita Spider-Man, etc. etc. etc. I'm all for auteur theory of comics or whatever, but given the post-1987 track record of guys like Claremont/Byrne/Miller, are we 100% sure that Shooter was an evil bad evil bad guy for shooting down some of their pure artistic ideas? Shooter isn't some sort of perfect saint and he can be self-aggrandizing and etc. etc. but people who paint him as some kind of monster have a really strange and/or simplistic view of comics history and/or humanity.
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