MeatloafCat posted:I wonder if the people who run this site http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/0832.htm would like copies of those? The Allen M. Sumner class seems to have been very well built https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Laffey_(DD-724) Neat wiki entry. drat, that ship was all over the place.
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Cat Mattress posted:Still alive in the IRIAF. More or less.
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MeatloafCat posted:I wonder if the people who run this site http://www.navsource.org/archives/11/0832.htm would like copies of those? The Allen M. Sumner class seems to have been very well built https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Laffey_(DD-724) I will contact them when I get back to my desk, that's pretty cool!
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Nebakenezzer posted:So, let me get this straight: 4. The ceasefire collapses, Putin is free to continue bombing the gently caress out of Syria while his enemies in Europe remain preoccupied by an ongoing influx of refugees.
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Godholio posted:More or less. Their
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Sperglord Actual posted:4. The ceasefire collapses, Putin is free to continue bombing the gently caress out of Syria while his enemies in Europe remain preoccupied by an ongoing influx of refugees. Why that's just awfully cynical, I mean http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37438536
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Godholio posted:More or less. I wonder how much of them is Russian made bits at this point.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Plus there's the whole almost-definitely-not-an-idle-threat by the Saudi Royal Family that if the House of Saud is ever deposed, that they'll take their oil with them on their way to Paradise. So yeah, oil would far more than double if they made good on their threats and destroyed their refineries and sabotaged their own fields so ISIL/Daesh couldn't just waltz in and have turn-key control to the bulk of the world's remaining light sweet crude reserves. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret Maybe we did this knowing that eventually our oil would be worth that much more $$$ when Saudi Arabia was forced to do this.
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B4Ctom1 posted:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-05-30/the-untold-story-behind-saudi-arabia-s-41-year-u-s-debt-secret I always kinda thought our strategic plan was to keep Alaska until the downfall of oil and then gently caress every polar bear around
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It'd be a lot nicer of a picture if it said VFA-101 on the side instead of VX-23.
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Oh hey India finally signed on that Rafale deal that had been waiting since like 2007. And apparently judging by some figures that are circulating, the planes themselves and their weapon package represent less than half of the contract cost. Most of it is spend on various customizations and infrastructure, so it's only going to make sense if they order more later.
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I was just watching a rather crap documentary on the F-104, and then this bit happened (23m 13s if this doesn't work): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xWF3xyU9MU&t=1453s I'm filing that under my "this engineering is optimistic" notes.
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Cat Mattress posted:Oh hey India finally signed on that Rafale deal that had been waiting since like 2007. So the HAL FA's dead and buried then?
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Forums Terrorist posted:So the HAL FA's dead and buried then? Don't know why anyone would think otherwise after Russia quietly divested itself from it. India had a lot of issues both with the plane (not as Stronk as advertised) and the way the project was managed.
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Forums Terrorist posted:So the HAL FA's dead and buried then? Not officially. But they realized they can't afford to wait for it to be ready; and anyway it doesn't fit the same niche as the Rafale. The Indian Air Force has a three-tiered doctrine: light/medium/heavy. Light aircraft are primarily for point defense, medium primarily for strike, and heavy primarily for air superiority. Light aircraft: currently MiG-21, to be replaced by Tejas and perhaps another lightweight fighter -- Saab's Gripen and Lockheed's F-16 are lobbying to get there. Medium aircraft: currently MiG-27, Mirage 2000 and Jaguar. The MiGs are to be replaced by Rafale and much later in the future by their "AMCA" project. Heavy aircraft: currently MiG-29 and Su-30MKI, and in the future the Indian derivative of the PAK-FA T-50, the "FGFA". Then you can add the Indian Navy aviation. They want their aircraft to be carrier-capable and multirole, and the Indian government is eager to simplify logistics by having as much commonality as possible with the IAF aircraft. For now, they operate MiG-29K, and a naval derivative of the Tejas is planned. They'd like to get Rafales for their future aircraft carrier, though Washington is apparently trying to lobby for them to buy F-18 or F-35 in exchange for selling them catapults. Just in case, Dassault has assured them that the Rafale can operate from a STOBAR carrier, though not with maximum payload like on a CATOBAR.
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China doesn't want to make their own? http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/russias-su-35-super-flanker-mystery-fighter-no-more-04969/
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Hexyflexy posted:I was just watching a rather crap documentary on the F-104, and then this bit happened (23m 13s if this doesn't work): Heh, yeah. Lockheed really REALLY went out on a limb with the missile with a man in it. Evidently they did a good job in CAP in Vietnam (good job as in they deterred MiG-21s heh). I just thought it was the coolest-looking little fighter. A shame they sold it to the Luftwaffe without proper training and got a lot of new guys killed.
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Medlar posted:A shame they sold it to the Luftwaffe without proper training and got a lot of new guys killed. Maybe they thought German pilots could naturally fly planes that were deathtraps.
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Speaking of the F-104, last month a company (Starfighters Inc.) announced they're planning to use Starfighters to launch tiny satellites into orbit  No different than an F-15 launching an ASAT I suppose!
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B4Ctom1 posted:China doesn't want to make their own? Of course they do. But first you need to get the design. The question is whether they'll buy it or steal it.
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Godholio posted:Of course they do. But first you need to get the design. The question is whether they'll buy it or steal it. Reject the tyranny of or.
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Completely off topic, but LEGO has this thing where people submit things they've built, let people vote on them, and then if they get enough votes LEGO will turn it into an actual kit. Well, there's a really awesome NF-15B thing that someone built: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/129450 There's tons of other cool stuff on there (like this, this and this, all by the same guy) I encourage you to dig around if you like LEGOs, it's incredible to see what some people come up with.
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Mortabis posted:Reject the tyranny of or. It's an inclusive or.
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Doctor Grape Ape posted:Completely off topic, but LEGO has this thing where people submit things they've built, let people vote on them, and then if they get enough votes LEGO will turn it into an actual kit. Well, there's a really awesome NF-15B thing that someone built: https://ideas.lego.com/projects/129450 LEGO has always been really prickly about kits that 'glorify war.' Of course, they've got a Sopwith Camel model that includes the guns, so who knows. Of course, while we're off topic, try these on for size: https://www.flickr.com/photos/madphysicist/sets/72157630977153922/ and https://www.flickr.com/photos/madphysicist/23410436082/in/dateposted/ Or hell, try his entire portfolio on for size: https://www.flickr.com/photos/madphysicist/ http://gizmodo.com/356469/giant-lego-b-1b-bomber-escorted-by-fighters-hawkeye-aircraft I mean, if LEGO sold this kit for $500, I would give LEGO $500: https://www.flickr.com/photos/madphysicist/20632070579/in/dateposted/ (he even has the blue 'practice' stripe on the loving Sidewinder) BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Medlar posted:A shame they sold it to the Luftwaffe without proper training and got a lot of new guys killed. It's, uh, somewhat disingenuous to claim that was the only or even primary reason a lot of pilots got killed flying the 104G.
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Psion posted:It's, uh, somewhat disingenuous to claim that was the only or even primary reason a lot of pilots got killed flying the 104G. It was a perfect storm of poo poo - bribery by Lockheed, reacclimating pilots in 'easy mode' jet trainers before throwing them into a 'hard mode' jet like the F-104...then their turning an interceptor into a low-level strike aircraft...
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That Works posted:"Guess we can't fly today" Yeah I saw the clouds too.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:LEGO has always been really prickly about kits that 'glorify war.' Of course, they've got a Sopwith Camel model that includes the guns, so who knows. I can't really fault them for that position to be honest. I mean Lego's supposed to be for kids too.
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Forums Terrorist posted:I can't really fault them for that position to be honest. I mean Lego's supposed to be for kids too. Nuh uh, it's for nerdy adults to relive their childhood. But yeah, being a global company with roots in Denmark I can sort of understand that stance.
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If LEGO didn't want to be starring warfare, why does LEGO star wars?
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Cat Mattress posted:Still alive in the IRIAF. "Alive" they never fly em
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Quick question; no offense intended but why dont countries like China and India actually design and produce their own poo poo? Where in the process do tgey fall short? Do they rely on imports by choice? Like they have money, they have smart people, they have factories. It seems like if an actual war happened they would be hosed on replacement airframes/tanks/small arms because they gotta import everything
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Phi230 posted:Quick question; no offense intended but why dont countries like China and India actually design and produce their own poo poo? Where in the process do tgey fall short? Other people have those ingredients and the work of decades up to a century.
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Making jet engines is actually quite difficult. Just making the alloys would take research. There is a huge logistic chain to build war equipment. You need a military industrial complex, and you can't conjure one of those overnight. Also areospace military equipment becomes obsolete quickly, could spend 10 years designing and building their own a/c but it would be obsolete today, not to mention 10 years from now.
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It's the classic make/buy decision only instead of buying they just steal the secret sauce recipe and make it themselves. Best of both worlds.
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Building a jet fighter of your own design requires to have a powerful industrial base. The jet engines alone are very hard to get right, you need sci-fi metallurgy (seriously, "monocrystal blisk" is something you'd only expect to hear in a Star Trek movie) and it shouldn't be a surprise that there are only a handful of companies worldwide that make reliable jet engines (two US, one British, one French, and maybe one Russian). You can look at the saga of the Tejas to see the kind of problems they're running into. They have very ambitious goals with the FGFA and AMCA, but they're quite unlikely to achieve them without foreign help.
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