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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Worst isn't really a good way to think about it because the factors by which you're judging him as "bad," are clearly not bad to like 40% of the population. Most personally disliked candidate in US history.
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I'd be willing to argue that Donald Trump isn't the worst person they've ever nominated because he's aggressively unelectable and an obvious conman. The worst people they've ever nominated were of similar disposition to Trump but actually capable of hiding it, like Reagan or Bush II.
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Hey, about the time that Trump came out and decided birtherism wasn't gonna work for him, there was a video of some discussion between a black guy and some white guy about it. The black dude made an awesome point something along the lines of 'either way, trump is in the wrong for waiting this long' but I can't find the video. It was not the thing where Don Lemon took everyone off the screen for a bit.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I can sort of understand the latter. But the gay black man? Something in the primary just kinda made him snap. It's super weird.
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nutranurse posted:I've been eyeing ad agencies in Washington for the longest time. You in Seattle? Is the Seattle Freeze real? It's 100% a thing out. Bunch of introvert and distant cultures combined with influx of nerds who are socially awkward means it can be tough getting past the polite small talk phase. Just be personable and you can bust through it.
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Oof, the Charlotte police chief's reasoning for not releasing the tape makes it sound pretty bad:quote:Putney also told reporters the video "does not give me absolute definitive visual evidence that would confirm that a person is pointing a gun" but that the evidence "taken in totality" supports the police version of events that led to the fatal shooting of Keith Lamont Scott. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2016/09/22/state-emergency-charlotte-protests-continue-second-night/90825016/
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Completely random question for the thread: It will all be decided by the Supreme Court in the end
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:I can sort of understand the latter. But the gay black man? Hillary was one of the very last congressional Democrats to come around on gay marriage, and "superpredators" was absolutely a thing, so even if you're going to assume someone will always put identity before other political considerations (which is both lol and demeaning) there are still good reasons for a black gay dude to be extremely skeptical of HRC
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nutranurse posted:A REAL loving THING THAT HAPPENED AND SHE WAS FIRED OVER. ...... what the motherfucking... bwuh... w-what... the poo poo rear end hell...
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Lightning Knight posted:I'd be willing to argue that Donald Trump isn't the worst person they've ever nominated because he's aggressively unelectable and an obvious conman. The worst people they've ever nominated were of similar disposition to Trump but actually capable of hiding it, like Reagan or Bush II. Thats why I said worst "candidate". It's very likely he would be a better president than either Reagan or W.
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Honestly in the current environment where white nationalism is being normalized as a legitimate ideology I consider Hillary winning and a narrow Republican lead in the Senate to be a win.  I mean taking the Senate would be awesome but I'm not going to expect it or even count on it.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Worst isn't really a good way to think about it because the factors by which you're judging him as "bad," are clearly not bad to like 40% of the population. He is relatively very unpopular among Republicans for a Republican presidential candidate. Don't underestimate the number of people supporting him simply because they are afraid of a Clinton presidency and are worried about the Supreme Court being liberalized.
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Kristov posted:The loving Irish butter company?! The Irish butter loving company?!
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mcmagic posted:Most personally disliked candidate in US history. But that number, like Hillary's, isn't all that telling because of the partisan break down. Like the theory that TRUMP IS SO BAD AND HILLARY SHOULD BE BLOWING HIM OUT OF THE WATER is flawed thinking because you're assuming that everyone has the same qualifying views as you do -- which they don't. Like before the primaries, this Republican field was widely considered to be one the deepest and "most talented" they'd every managed to assemble -- multiple governors or former governors, sitting senators, popular figures within in the party -- and they all lost to Trump. So while he might be widely unpopular with the public at-large, Republicans don't seem to have any trouble with him and the majority of voters are, essentially, that base anyway. Barack Obama -- one of the greatest campaigners in the history of this country -- only won Florida by 1% in 2012.
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mcmagic posted:Thats why I said worst "candidate". It's very likely he would be a better president than either Reagan or W. Nah. A shitheel who can actually get elected is infinitely worse than one who can't. Trump would be the same basic President as Ronald Reagan, a dude who just rubber stamps whatever dumb crazy conservative thing he thinks he can get away with. Trump is just a louder, more obnoxious version of the same song and dance they've been on about for decades. Radish posted:Honestly in the current environment where white nationalism is being normalized as a legitimate ideology I consider Hillary winning and a narrow Republican lead in the Senate to be a win. Not taking the Senate would be a complete loss. We need the Supreme Court seat filled with somebody not poo poo before the midterms. If that doesn't happen it's almost a total waste.
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a foolish pianist posted:Something in the primary just kinda made him snap. It's super weird. I don't know how old your friend is, but the primaries were really upsetting to a lot of young voters who aren't used to the idea of having to vote for a candidate that doesn't resonate with them personally like Bernie Sanders did. They got it in theirs heads that she was "bad" when the primaries got kinda rough, and they can't shake that impression.
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mcmagic posted:Thats why I said worst "candidate". It's very likely he would be a better president than either Reagan or W. 
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Evil Fluffy posted:Another thing to add to the lists of reasons why CNN should be burned to the ground and all its reporters fired in to the sun: Hey citizen, you just don't know how hard it is for are
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mcmagic posted:Most personally disliked candidate in US history. In terms of party health he's fairly bad too but that's qualified with excluding one-off third parties and candidate-based parties (bull moose for example) but the amount of strain he's putting on the RNC with having them do so much of the infrastructure work can't be all that great for their ability to extend support downticket (which their donors are making up for to some degree, though there's an argument to be made that the GOP's big donor-beholden candidates are also wrecking the party from the inside out by making them so godawfully toxic) but it isn't like the RNC was a healthy organization before Trump or that it'll be dead afterwards.
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Like he's easily the most unqualified person to ever be nominated for President by a major party in maybe the last 150 years, sure; but I think getting too much into the horse-race silly-stuff isn't really helpful. Like okay, we all know this is part of McMagic's strange obsession with the idea there's some unicorn Democrat out there that could have beaten Hillary but the truth is that even if such an animal existed -- it doesn't -- they chose not to run and so there's literally no use in talking about it other than to bloviate endlessly about she's just not good enough for you or concern troll about, if only your unicorn had ran, we could be "taking the House and the Senate" or some such nonsense. I understand people's unease with the idea of Trump becoming President and I understand that all of this tends to just be frustration with that manifesting in dumb ways, but calm down. If you're really and truely worried about the Orange Menace, then go volunteer for the campaign.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:But that number, like Hillary's, isn't all that telling because of the partisan break down. I'm not assuming everyone has the same views I do but the idea that Trump should be losing by much more than he actually is right now doesn't seem all that controversial. I mean he's not been over 41-43% in the polls even in the states he's doing well in.
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iospace posted:Doing internet shows like that helps because of the millennials being spoiled brats this year. I probably would've been more likely to vote for Obama a second time if he went on Between Two Ferns before the election. AMorePerfctGoonion posted:Johnson is really going after the single issue marijuana voters with his profound musings on the eventual fate of the Earth. "My solution to global warming is to build a second Earth made of weed and put it in front of the real Earth, so when the sun envelopes us all we can at least be blazed as gently caress." Apraxin posted:...and in a shocking turn of events (genuinely for a Trump surrogate, I was expecting her to double down) she resigned and apologized for being 'inappropriate': *Man in lab coat bursts into room* "The deplorables! They're becoming self-aware!"
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mcmagic posted:Thats why I said worst "candidate". It's very likely he would be a better president than either Reagan or W. You're comparing a couple of nasty thunderstorms to an extinction level event
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mcmagic posted:I'm not assuming everyone has the same views I do but the idea that Trump should be losing by much more than he actually is right now doesn't seem all that controversial. I mean he's not been over 41-43% in the polls even in the states he's doing well in. But why does that matter? Like what purpose does this even serve? Absolutely none at all. And again, you're making an assumption that because YOU personally (and the Commentariat does the same) view him as wildly unqualified that the majority of Americans would too, if only the Democrats had nominated some mythical creature as their candidate! BI NOW GAY LATER fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Endorph posted:my big question is where does the big red party go if trump loses? he turned every other republican candidate into a complete joke, then lost himself. Doesn't that kind of kill the idea of a traditional republican candidate? I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for a knockdown, drag-out war between the pro-business and the pro-white nationalism factions of the party over who caused them to lose the election. Hopefully they fracture.
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Endorph posted:my big question is where does the big red party go if trump loses? he turned every other republican candidate into a complete joke, then lost himself. Doesn't that kind of kill the idea of a traditional republican candidate? These people literally believe Obama did 9/11, Katrina, and the stock market collapse. They won't have trouble bending over backwards to adjust their realities to a Cruz candidacy, or whatever dumb poo poo thin the Republicans try in four years. BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Like okay, we all know this is part of McMagic's strange obsession with the idea there's some unicorn Democrat out there that could have beaten Hillary but the truth is that even if such an animal existed -- it doesn't -- they chose not to run and so there's literally no use in talking about it other than to bloviate endlessly about she's just not good enough for you or concern troll about, if only your unicorn had ran, we could be "taking the House and the Senate" or some such nonsense. I mean, it's not "some unicorn Democrat," it's "I'm mad Bernie didn't win." AMorePerfctGoonion posted:You're comparing a couple of nasty thunderstorms to an extinction level event The point isn't that Trump would merely be as bad as Reagan or Bush II, the point is that Reagan and Bush II were as bad as Trump, they just had the ability to project a veneer of niceness and respectability about their horrific awfulness.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I don't know how old your friend is, but the primaries were really upsetting to a lot of young voters who aren't used to the idea of having to vote for a candidate that doesn't resonate with them personally like Bernie Sanders did. They got it in theirs heads that she was "bad" when the primaries got kinda rough, and they can't shake that impression. This is probably it. I'm in my mid-30s (old enough to have voted for Nader, woo), and he's about 12 years younger than me.
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AMorePerfctGoonion posted:You're comparing a couple of nasty thunderstorms to an extinction level event I don't think you remember how truly horrific the Bush Administration was on every level. Lightning Knight posted:I mean, it's not "some unicorn Democrat," it's "I'm mad Bernie didn't win." No. I mean he's kinda right. But it's not a "unicorn," It's pretty much any other mainstream democratic politician without 30 years of oppo.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:I'm crossing my fingers and hoping for a knockdown, drag-out war between the pro-business and the pro-white nationalism factions of the party over who caused them to lose the election. It will be attributed to Trump being a RINO and "not conservative enough" and we'll have this whole song and dance again in 4 years.
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lozzle posted:It will be attributed to Trump being a RINO and "not conservative enough" and we'll have this whole song and dance again in 4 years. They are just going to say that Trump wasn't a conservative at all.
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a foolish pianist posted:This is probably it. I'm in my mid-30s (old enough to have voted for Nader, woo), and he's about 12 years younger than me. Too young to remember how bad the Bush years were is also in play then. Sometimes you gotta see it happen to realize how much you need to work to avoid it.
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lozzle posted:It will be attributed to Trump being a RINO and "not conservative enough" and we'll have this whole song and dance again in 4 years. With Ted Cruz leading the charge of the "We need a true conservative!" movement.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:But why does that matter? Like what purpose does this even serve? Absolutely none at all. can we not get into this argument with mcmagic again
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mcmagic posted:I don't think you remember how truly horrific the Bush Administration was on every level. Bush, at a very base level, had empathy and understanding of democratic norms. Trump has neither. mcmagic posted:No. I mean he's kinda right. But it's not a "unicorn," It's pretty much any other mainstream democratic politician without 30 years of oppo. None of them thought they could win, so it's a pointless exercise. theflyingorc posted:can we not get into this argument with mcmagic again I am actually trying to be nice to him here because his view is actually fairly widely held -- as I said the commentariat, largely thinks this too.
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a foolish pianist posted:This is probably it. I'm in my mid-30s (old enough to have voted for Nader, woo), and he's about 12 years younger than me. It's a lot easier to feel like you have room to quibble over which democrat candidate would have been better when you've never really realized what happens when your party loses outright.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Bush, at a very base level, had empathy and understanding of democratic norms. Trump has neither. Trump would have to try REALLY hard to do as much damage to the country as the Bush administration did. His personal empathy is pretty meaningless.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Bush, at a very base level, had empathy and understanding of democratic norms. Trump has neither. Bush was a nice person who was willing to play an empty suit to the Republican Party to spite his dad, and brought with him what will go down in American history as one of the worst administrations we've ever seen and, hopefully, are likely to ever see again. Whether or not Ronald Regan or Bush II were personally as bad as Trump doesn't change that they were as Presidents about as equally horrific and terrible for the country and did massive long-term damage to our basic institutions. Edit: which is to say, that the current Democratic campaign to make a nebulous "Trump is worse than normal Republicans, normal Republicans should bemoan what the party has done" is fine and good for political purposes, but it's bullshit and you shouldn't actually believe it personally. Donald Trump isn't special or particularly evil. He's just not pretending. He is what the Republican Party is and has been for generations and don't you ever forget that.
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UV_Catastrophe posted:Completely random question for the thread: I think the 2000 election showed that you can't delay it for very long no matter the circumstances.
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