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Big Mean Jerk posted:Passengers looks awful though, just a rom-com set in space. I am tired of Jennifer Lawrence.
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Sep 23, 2016 01:45
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Sep 23, 2016 01:52
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Brawnfire posted:I want more defiance and I don't care who knows it If we're wishing for things can I get a couple more seasons of Stargate?
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Sep 23, 2016 02:05
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Baronjutter posted:Hey we got The Expanse Gammatron 64 posted:Which is... you know, pretty similar to what happened with Star Trek, a series that had multiple TV shows running on air at the same time for many years while mediocre movies were steadily pumped out. It's almost like these things are cyclical... Lucas tried to go high concept (i.e. trade disputes) with the prequels and it was an artistic failure, though I suppose they were profitable.
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Arguably Wrath of Khan is a classic.
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SwissCM posted:Arguably Wrath of Khan is a classic. For geeks, not pop culture in general.
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The Expanse is very good, but syfy has been making pretty decent poo poo for awhile even if it didn't tickle everyone's fancy. Defiance was great and Warehouse 13 was fun as poo poo. Even Eureka was fun. Really, there been at least one show on Syfy that's demanded my attention since BSG stopped. Also, say what you will about wrestling and ghost hunting, but Syfy had stayed truer to their premise than almost any speciality TV network out there.
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SwissCM posted:Arguably Wrath of Khan is a classic. On a recent re-watch of it I actually found it not so great. Undiscovered Country and the one with whales were far more entertaining.
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8one6 posted:If we're wishing for things can I get a couple more seasons of Stargate? Coincidentally, SG-1 is another show that had end-of-life ratings that a lot of shows would kill for nowadays.
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I'm still holding out for a second season of Space: Above and Beyond.
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Paradoxish posted:Coincidentally, SG-1 is another show that had end-of-life ratings that a lot of shows would kill for nowadays. Hahaha, I love that still. "Cancel this poo poo. We can do better." ...time passes... "gently caress. gently caress gently caress gently caress FUCCCKKKKKKK"
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Eh, it's not like it would have ratings like that today because everything has gone down. 1mil viewers for a genre show is considered renewal worthy right now. The audience is just so split. There's too much to watch.
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I'd like to see this compared with general TV ratings. TNG was still before everyone had a billion channels and even really popular shows have ratings that would have been garbage 30 years ago. E: I guess I should read the thread first.
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More and more people are cord-cutters now too, abandoning traditional TV in favour of various streaming options even if it means getting stuff a little late on Hulu or a lot late on Netflix (or not at all  .) Who knows what the actual numbers are for that though, it could be an overestimated phenomenon whether it's a growing trend or not, but sometimes I feel like if it weren't for sports a whole lot of people wouldn't bother with TV at all anymore.Even stuff that used to dominate cable ratings like WWE has slid very harshly downhill over the last decade or so. The kind of conversations people used to have about Voyager and Enterprise's Nielsen ratings are happening again in PSP every week.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Passengers looks awful though, just a rom-com set in space. The spaceship is pretty.
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Delsaber posted:More and more people are cord-cutters now too, abandoning traditional TV in favour of various streaming options even if it means getting stuff a little late on Hulu or a lot late on Netflix (or not at all Well, the WWE sliding downhill is mostly the WWE's own fault given that Vince McMahon is and always has been a batshit insane crazy person who enjoys pissing off fans on purpose and only kinda gets away with it because the WWE has had no meaningful competition since the demise of WCW I'm totally a cord-cutter, though
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Gammatron 64 posted:We did get Mass Effect, even though it was a video game. I liked Mass Effect because it was a hell of a lot like Star Wars and Star Trek. Bioware was smart enough to rip off so many franchises that nearly every type of science fiction geek could find something they liked in Mass Effect.
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Man I've been watching a bunch of random Trek lately and it makes me jones for more Mass Effect *hard*. I'm considering replaying them... but then I remember how loving clunky 1 is, and how much I dislike the ending. They're so good though  hurry up Andromeda, come out and disappoint me all over again
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I always got more of a Babylon 5 vibe from Mass Effect, at least in its themes and setpieces, the Citadel in particular is probably the most obvious, but I don't think that was necessarily intentional. There's definitely quite a bit of original Star Wars, Alien, and the TOS Star Trek films in its art design, and the music felt straight out of the John Carpenter or Vangelis playbook. I'm pretty sure Bioware pointed out those influences themselves in a lot of pre-release material. Gunning so hard for the look and feel of late 70s/80s sci-fi films is part of the reason I love those games so much despite their issues. I'm looking forward to Andromeda but part of me would rather see someone try their hand at a TV adaption. Gammatron 64 posted:Well, the WWE sliding downhill is mostly the WWE's own fault given that Vince McMahon is and always has been a batshit insane crazy person who enjoys pissing off fans on purpose and only kinda gets away with it because the WWE has had no meaningful competition since the demise of WCW The sad part is that their product has actually been improving (or at least modernizing) as Vince cedes more and more control to his successors, but the ratings are continuing their freefall anyway. Vince McMahon is the Rick Berman to Triple H's Manny Coto, I guess.
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DarthJeebus posted:Aquiel wtf. I think that may be the one TNG episode I can't sit through. Yeah, Jeri Taylor, Moore, and Braga worked together on that one and it just feels like filler. You can sort of see all of their influences in the way it's kludged together. Taylor's story has her signature convoluted high concept premise and emphasis on "human" drama (without the grounding to make it work) and Braga and Moore's teleplay has all the pacing issues, nonsense tech, stilted dialog, and contrived character beats I associate with their lesser works. It's just a deadly combination of a weak concept and flawed execution and a show that didn't have to churn out 20+ hours of TV a season probably would have just scrapped it. Also, apparently, making it be the dog all along was a last minute thing because they decided not to make Aquiel or skeevy station dude the killer and had to come up with a left-field twist instead. Of course, it wasn't really much of a twist once they told us a shapeshifter was involved, so seeing all the characters ignore that possibility for like 15 minutes until it actually tried to kill them is just  . You'd think someone in the future would have seen The Thing. Honestly, no respect for the classics...
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Good grief, STO's Enterprise F looks even more like a spoon in the real world. https://twitter.com/STO_JamJamz/status/779067667911106560
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bull3964 posted:The more telling thing about Trek popularity is that at one point in time there were two series running and one in preproduction while movies were happening every few years. Now we get two films a decade and are getting a series one step removed from a fan production. Despite the modern TNG era sliding into a pit with "These Are the Voyages" and "Nemesis" waiting at the bottom, and a general pissing away of viewer goodwill over the years, there's: -HD re-releases of TOS and TNG, -Three new movies -An upcoming TV series made by people who actually seem to have proven talent and/or enthusiasm for Star Trek (and we don't have anything like enough information to judge how good/bad it's going to be - might as wait and see before deciding it's crap) Kind of having trouble feeling bad for Star Trek. All Babylon 5 fans want is a HD remaster. Or even a better DVD transfer.
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Delsaber posted:There's definitely quite a bit of original Star Wars, Alien, and the TOS Star Trek films in its art design Design-wise Mass Effect is 100% Syd Mead, it's just that those other franchises also used him as an influence (to a lesser extent than Mass Effect - I wasn't kidding about the hundred percent).
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The Dark One posted:Bioware was smart enough to rip off so many franchises that nearly every type of science fiction geek could find something they liked in Mass Effect. They even managed to take inspiration from Battlestar Galactica and the Matrix and completely botch the ending! MikeJF posted:Design-wise Mass Effect is 100% Syd Mead, it's just that those other franchises also used him as an influence (to a lesser extent than Mass Effect - I wasn't kidding about the hundred percent). Yeah, I love love LOVE Syd Mead's artwork. I've wanted to have his art books for a long time, but I never get them as they're so expensive. https://www.flickr.com/photos/40143737@N02/sets/72157622906191929/with/4197842078/ We need more Syd Mead inspired design in everything.
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Gammatron 64 posted:Yeah, I love love LOVE Syd Mead's artwork. I've wanted to have his art books for a long time, but I never get them as they're so expensive. I can't imagine Blade Runner without his work.
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Dirty posted:Kind of having trouble feeling bad for Star Trek. All Babylon 5 fans want is a HD remaster. Or even a better DVD transfer. Life imitates art.
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Dirty posted:Kind of having trouble feeling bad for Star Trek. All Babylon 5 fans want is a HD remaster. Or even a better DVD transfer. I said this in the B5 thread, I think our best bet for that is convincing some rich eccentric nerd to basically go to Warner Bros and say "okay, idiots, here's a check for [however many million it would take to do it right], let's get on with it" And even then I could see WB being contrarian and petulantly refusing to do it for some bullshit reason.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I said this in the B5 thread, I think our best bet for that is convincing some rich eccentric nerd to basically go to Warner Bros and say "okay, idiots, here's a check for [however many million it would take to do it right], let's get on with it" Time for a letter-writing campaign to Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk.
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Voyager "Prey" Man, Voyager must have been thrilled to inherit all of these spacesuits and phaser rifles from First Contact. And Kurn is back! Except now he's a Predator. Also, this is the first time Janeway pulled a Picard; she moralized and changed my mind about something. Janeway risks all of their lives to try and save a lethal enemy because it's wounded and just wants to go home. I don't know if I agree but I think it's definitely in keeping with the finest ideals of Starfleet. Luckily the plot removes the ramifications of her decision!
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I said this in the B5 thread, I think our best bet for that is convincing some rich eccentric nerd to basically go to Warner Bros and say "okay, idiots, here's a check for [however many million it would take to do it right], let's get on with it" Isn't B5's issue technical though? Something about lost or corrupted effects files?
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I said this in the B5 thread, I think our best bet for that is convincing some rich eccentric nerd to basically go to Warner Bros and say "okay, idiots, here's a check for [however many million it would take to do it right], let's get on with it" Yeah, I don't know about that, fan largess is great for preserving old sets and costumes that no one wants anymore, but this would be a major business deal and there are always strings attached on that sort of thing. You can't just have Johny Techbucks give them money and say "make these DVDs please." At least, I don't think he could, not without also acquiring the rights to the property. Now, he could buy the rights, if he had a production/distribution company lined up, and if that company was willing to do the job at cost (presumably because he's paying them, too), and WB might even be willing to sell, but he'd have to be able to pony up millions of dollars in liquid capital. That's a tall order though. No corporate board is going to approve a deal that has no chance of profit and even the super-wealthy rarely have that kind of money to burn. Zurui posted:Also, this is the first time Janeway pulled a Picard; she moralized and changed my mind about something. Oh come on, she must have done that before. Didn't she do that in the Q suicide episode?
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Duckbag posted:Oh come on, she must have done that before. Didn't she do that in the Q suicide episode? I'm skipping around a bit and haven't hit that one yet. Mulgrew isn't bad but she usually doesn't have the chops to hit the "The First Duty" levels.
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Zurui posted:I'm skipping around a bit and haven't hit that one yet. Mulgrew isn't bad but she usually doesn't have the chops to hit the "The First Duty" levels. Kate Mulgrew has the chops. Have you seen Orange is the New Black? The Voyager producers literally told almost everyone to tone it down.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Isn't B5's issue technical though? Something about lost or corrupted effects files? Yes, the film is in good shape and got a good (for the time, although it could be better) widescreen transfer, but the effects were rendered to SD video masters and that's what was used, so they zoomed and cropped it for widescreen. I don't know the status of the actual CGI data, whether it was irretrievably lost or just too disorganized to collect it all, or the corporate suits decided it'd be quicker and cheaper to just reuse the master tapes. If memory serves, JMS had some suspicions about it, but I could be conflating that with any number of other suspicions he has.
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I've seen OITNB, but there's a long time between those two shows. She has clearly matured as an actress. I get that the show was run poorly, though. It also doesn't help that she's written like Picard one week and Archer the next.
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Gammatron 64 posted:We need more Syd Mead inspired design in everything. I love that guy's stuff so much that "normal" artistic design feels wrong to me now. I would be overjoyed if a Star Trek series took serious inspiration from Syd Mead's work for it's art design.
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Zurui posted:I get that the show was run poorly, though. It also doesn't help that she's written like Picard one week and Archer the next. Sterling Archer.
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Yeah, I'd say Mulgrew certainly had the chops -- Voyager actually has a really solid cast, for the most part, but the writers weren't that into doing speeches (especially later on, when the show became more action-oriented) and couldn't usually deliver on them even when they tried. I'm not all that nostalgic about Picard's speechifying, honestly, because for every great monologue of his, there's another that fell flat and the frequency with which he wandered into pompous blowhard territory really undermined the character. As great an actor as Stewart can be, his performances weren't as consistently brilliant as his reputation suggests and, sometimes, he's actually kind of bad. The writing and directing had a lot to do with that, certainly, but I think that actors also just have good days and bad days and it's probably easier to have a good day when you know that your talent will be respected and put to good use. A great actor can elevate lousy material, but, at a certain point, elevated crap is still crap and if you know it'll be crap no matter what you do, what's the point? Professional pride only goes so far, especially when you're not being given work you can be proud of. I don't think it's any coincidence that the acting on Voyager actually seemed to get worse (especially from the neglected members of the ensemble) even as other parts of the show got better.
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Tighclops posted:I love that guy's stuff so much that "normal" artistic design feels wrong to me now. I would be overjoyed if a Star Trek series took serious inspiration from Syd Mead's work for it's art design. I especially love it when his art is borderline surreal and quasi-retro. I love it when his art gets extremely alien and weird.       A lot of his designs have made it into film and TV (Blade Runner, Aliens, Tron, Turn A Gundam, etc.) but his landscapes and architecture are what really grab me in how unusual they are. You didn't see that kind of stuff in film often because during his heyday, you needed to rely on sets and matte paintings.
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