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Please stop owning yourself.
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Sep 21, 2016 06:58
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If this thread taught me anything it is this: Communists are cool and good. Their detractors not so much.
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Sep 21, 2016 12:41
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:If you guys are so concerned about achieving revolution in the first world, you could always ditch liberalism and become communists yourselves. All this talk about ecological collapse and refugee crises is where you're taking us right now, anyway. 'communism is definitely the most environmentally friendly ideology' said the Chinese characters on the poster obscured by smog and half-dissolved by acid rain
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Sep 22, 2016 00:51
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Constant Hamprince posted:'communism is definitely the most environmentally friendly ideology' said the Chinese characters on the poster obscured by smog and half-dissolved by acid rain china's doing way more to curb emissions and reverse pollution than we are, c-ham. i posted a lot about it earlier in the thread
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Sep 22, 2016 01:59
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Funny how China is either on the communist or capitalist roads depending on who's trying to exploit it & when.
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Sep 22, 2016 02:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Funny how China is either on the communist or capitalist roads depending on who's trying to exploit it & when. They're communist, capitalist and also fascist all at the same time. Quantum Horseshoe Theory.
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Sep 22, 2016 10:20
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Fiction posted:I said violent revolution, not civil disobedience which has translated into electoral feasibility in Europe i still feel like they're overestimating their chances at that too
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Sep 22, 2016 10:25
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The Kingfish posted:Ultraleftism is extremely cool. and good. I'm so stoked on Mason's Postacapitalism all I wanna do is work on FOSS and refinance everything to my credit union.
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Sep 22, 2016 11:47
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Homework Explainer posted:china's doing way more to curb emissions and reverse pollution than we are, c-ham. i posted a lot about it earlier in the thread  Pictured: Air quality under advanced socialism.
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Turns out offshoring industrial production also offshores pollution.
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Sep 22, 2016 16:04
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Homework Explainer posted:china's doing way more to curb emissions and reverse pollution than we are, c-ham. lol. half that poo poo is made up and will never come to fruition (but all the money will be spent) or will not be maintained and left to rot. source: all the dead trees outside of chinese cities from the last few times they tried this
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Sep 22, 2016 18:38
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Bro Dad posted:lol. half that poo poo is made up and will never come to fruition (but all the money will be spent) or will not be maintained and left to rot. hmmmm this is a real puzzler. do i trust reports from news outlets and the chinese government or some internet guy who probably made a bunch of racist-assed posts in the gbs china thread
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Sep 22, 2016 22:05
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Homework Explainer posted:hmmmm this is a real puzzler. do i trust reports from news outlets and the chinese government or some internet guy who probably made a bunch of racist-assed posts in the gbs china thread the news outlets you're trusting are the chinese government lol
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Sep 22, 2016 22:58
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Homework Explainer posted:hmmmm this is a real puzzler. do i trust reports from news outlets and the chinese government or some internet guy who probably made a bunch of racist-assed posts in the gbs china thread yes the same government that disappeared under the dome for being too popular is for real serious this time about environmentalism are you interested in investing in my straddling bus company
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Sep 22, 2016 23:09
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china, the country so polluted even its scenic rural areas are covered in haze is gonna get real serious about saving the environment. any day now
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Sep 22, 2016 23:15
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china is actually arguablly doing more than the US to combat climate change. but i'm sure you've looked it up and know exactly what china has done and aren't just pontificating 
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Karl Barks posted:china is actually arguablly doing more than the US to combat climate change. but i'm sure you've looked it up and know exactly what china has done and aren't just pontificating counterpoint: china bad
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Sep 23, 2016 00:48
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Karl Barks posted:china is actually arguablly doing more than the US to combat climate change. but i'm sure you've looked it up and know exactly what china has done and aren't just pontificating they care about climate change because 80% of their population is coastal, they don't give a gently caress about smogging the poo poo out of their urban population except when said city happens to be hosting the olympics
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Sep 23, 2016 01:26
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having really bad pollution seems like a good reason to have intensive anti-pollution efforts
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Sep 23, 2016 01:27
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remember that all the chinese government has are promises of throwing huge amounts of cash at the problem, meanwhile their economy is dependent on things like rare earth mineral mining for exports and coal for heating oh keep in mind the whole emperor is far away power dynamic which will see a lot of these projects subcontracted into nothingness and graft (like a lot of land development) Bro Dad fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Sep 23, 2016 01:30
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Peel posted:having really bad pollution seems like a good reason to buy a condo in the west so you don't have to suffer like the peons Now you're thinking with CCP!™
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Sep 23, 2016 01:32
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In some alternate universe a clean-shaven Homework Explainer is arguing about how actually the coal industry is doing far more to combat climate change then solar is, writing up a post linking to a industry faq before he is probated by ornery left wing ik boosted_c5
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Sep 23, 2016 02:26
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Also China can't control emissions even if they want to because a decent amount of pollution is from residential heating with coal or wood.
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Sep 23, 2016 03:19
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Homework Explainer posted:hmmmm this is a real puzzler. do i trust reports from news outlets and the chinese government
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and on this page the smug liberal anticoms take a page out of the right wing notebook to note that climate controls are pointless because the chinese are only going to cheat anyway
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Sep 23, 2016 05:27
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:and on this page the smug liberal anticoms take a page out of the right wing notebook to note that climate controls are pointless because the chinese are only going to cheat anyway and in real life insane tankies pick their noses and sniff each others butts
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Sep 23, 2016 07:08
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:and on this page the smug liberal anticoms take a page out of the right wing notebook to note that climate controls are pointless because the chinese are only going to cheat anyway That didn't happen.
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Sep 23, 2016 07:21
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"They pushed for nationalization of major industrial firms, expansion of worker control, confiscation and redistribution of the estates of the old aristocracy, and social equality." Can someone explain to me why left-wing fascism is bad??
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Sep 23, 2016 09:18
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Because of the racism. And the pointless killings. And the fact that they didn't actually do any of that poo poo. They just promised to do that, then when in power, gladly turned around and went right on building up that hierarchy. The only real sincere attempt at uprooting the old economy, and planting a new one, one fundamentally different from what had come before, was the USSR. They failed. But you can't say they didn't try.
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rudatron posted:Because of the racism. And the pointless killings. And the fact that they didn't actually do any of that poo poo. They just promised to do that, then when in power, gladly turned around and went right on building up that hierarchy. Those weren't the Left-Wing fascists in Germany. The left-wingers and the actual working class members of the NSDAP were immediately suppressed as soon as Hitler realised he could jump into bed with the industrialists and the old aristocrats. Ernst Rohm  And I don't want pointless killings, I want killings of the ruling class and the rich in order to remove the threat they pose to social equality. You're kidding yourself if you think there's any way to build a left-wing society while those people are still around. What other description would the liberal capitalists use for a dictatorship of the proletariat but fascist? It's not like it takes much for comparisons to be invited between fascism and even social democrats by them. The Saurus fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Sep 23, 2016 17:02
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The Saurus posted:Those weren't the Left-Wing fascists in Germany. The left-wingers and the actual working class members of the NSDAP were immediately suppressed as soon as Hitler realised he could jump into bed with the industrialists and the old aristocrats. Jesus Christ, even by your standards this is stupid. Do you think that the head of the SA may have had a tiny bit to do with the gangs of Nazi thugs getting into street fights with communists?
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Sep 23, 2016 17:09
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In the early 1930's I can understand people being anti-communist. Things weren't looking too great in Bolshevik Russia at the time what with the purges and gulags and 5 year plans. It didn't exactly look like a philosophy that had delivered better conditions for the working class.
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Rohm was long dead before the Great Purge. Given how lovely Czarist Russia had been, the state of the USSR circa 1930 was not a good reason for a leftist to be anti-communist.
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Sep 23, 2016 17:17
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 There's also this but I'm pretty sure fervent communists deny that it ever actually happened
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Sep 23, 2016 17:19
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The Saurus posted:Ernst Rohm lol this loving guy
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Sep 23, 2016 17:21
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The Saurus posted:Ernst Rohm 
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Question: fervent as he is in his desire to eat the rich, could The Saurus possibly contribute to the revolution by serving in a cannon fodder role in the red army? Or would it be wiser to have him arrested and reeducated?
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The Saurus will be put into the mine sweeping corps of the Penal Battalions.
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The Saurus posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1932%E2%80%9333 sup dogg, this the thread for working class ephebophiles?? i'm asking... for a friend...
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