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Lobok posted:Flash is just weird in general because he has so many villains who have the same basic power, which is also the same power as the hero. He doesn't have one villain who you could truly call his worst but generally at any given time they tend to be whoever is the evil speedster du jour. The Flash has his entire Rogue's Gallery though? Most of whom don't have speed powers.
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The thing that Norman had over Doc Ock, is that he had a personal connection to Peter. Octavius didn't show up unless he had a scheme, but when Norman had amnesia, he could show up whenever Peter was with Harry, and Peter would fill the panel with a dramatic thought bubble, agonizing over whether Norman really forgot or if he's just toying with him.
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Sep 26, 2016 16:37
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ImpAtom posted:The Flash has his entire Rogue's Gallery though? Most of whom don't have speed powers. Oh, he has a ton of other villains but aren't his most evil arch-enemies typically speedsters? I know Captain Cold and Grodd are up there but they don't seem like the ones who really hurt Flash like other villains who kill people close to him. But I'm not all that well-versed in Flash so maybe I'm way off.
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Sep 26, 2016 16:40
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The Reverse Flash killed* Iris so that made him his worst villain ever evers. Savitar and Zoom were Wally's baddies. *except she got better
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Sep 26, 2016 16:41
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Lobok posted:Flash is just weird in general because he has so many villains who have the same basic power, which is also the same power as the hero. He doesn't have one villain who you could truly call his worst but generally at any given time they tend to be whoever is the evil speedster du jour. While Flash does have a number of super fast rogues (and at least one who has Time Manipulation powers dressed up as super speed) he's got guys like Captain Cold, Mirror Master, Weather Wizard, Heat Wave, Grodd, Abra Kadabra and Captain Boomerange who are all legitimate threats and do so without super speed. And of course his greatest Rogue, the Top. No one tops the Top. 
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Sep 26, 2016 16:42
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I think it was a huge mistake to bring Norman back and retcon him into having been an evil guy even before he turned into the Goblin. We got some fun stories out of it but it essentially just turned the character into a generic evil businessman first and the Green Goblin second, and completely invalidated the emotional punch of all those old stories. It removes the tragedy inherent in the character.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:09
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Lurdiak posted:I think it was a huge mistake to bring Norman back and retcon him into having been an evil guy even before he turned into the Goblin. We got some fun stories out of it but it essentially just turned the character into a generic evil businessman first and the Green Goblin second, and completely invalidated the emotional punch of all those old stories. It removes the tragedy inherent in the character. Flop sweat Norman was the best Norman. He makes an appearance in Raimi's movie when Norman recovers from his Osborn trance in the elevator up to Pete and Harry's place.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:44
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the big difference between the flash and spider-man is that you don't know who any of flash's villains are unless you read the flash
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Sep 26, 2016 22:23
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Lurdiak posted:I think it was a huge mistake to bring Norman back and retcon him into having been an evil guy even before he turned into the Goblin. We got some fun stories out of it but it essentially just turned the character into a generic evil businessman first and the Green Goblin second, and completely invalidated the emotional punch of all those old stories. It removes the tragedy inherent in the character. Wasn't disagreement over The Green Goblin's identity at least partially responsible for Steve Ditko leaving both Spider-Man and Marvel?
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Sep 27, 2016 13:15
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That's the rumor, yeah. Supposedly Ditko wanted him to turn out to just be Some Guy, which is more realistic. But not only would that be way lamer, they'd already done that several times with previous villains.
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Lurdiak posted:That's the rumor, yeah. Supposedly Ditko wanted him to turn out to just be Some Guy, which is more realistic. But not only would that be way lamer, they'd already done that several times with previous villains. I hadn't heard about that, though I did know that Ditko's meant to have persuaded Lee to make the Goblin a human criminal in a costume instead of sticking with Lee's original idea, which was that he was an actual goblin who was released from an ancient Egyptian sarcophagus. Didn't Ditko subsequently backtrack and say that a redheaded guy with Norman's hairstyle he'd drawn into the background of one of Jameson's social gatherings was Norman Osborn and he'd always intended him to be the Goblin?
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Skwirl posted:Wasn't disagreement over The Green Goblin's identity at least partially responsible for Steve Ditko leaving both Spider-Man and Marvel? We'll never know for sure but I would hope that Goblin's identity was not that important to Ditko. I figure it was more like Ditko kept wanting the stories to go one way and Stan kept saying no and this particular time was just the last straw. Also, Goblin identity stories never go well. Norman's reveal cost them Ditko, the Bart Hamilton reveal was lame, Hobgoblin was a decade-plus clusterfuck of a mystery that pleased nobody... Does Menace count as well? She's not exactly a counter argument either.
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Lobok posted:We'll never know for sure but I would hope that Goblin's identity was not that important to Ditko. I figure it was more like Ditko kept wanting the stories to go one way and Stan kept saying no and this particular time was just the last straw. Don't forget during Mackie's (shudder) run where there was a Green Goblin and Norman Osborn mystery going on for ages.... The resolution was Norman had kidnapped a homeless guy, filled him full of drugs and made him be the Green Goblin. There was also the run in Thunderbolts where a Norman get's one of his T-Bolts (a executioner guy who I think was called the Headsman.) to pretend to be the Green Goblin as part of a PR spin so Norman can go "See! He was trying to kill me! I was never the Green Goblin!" The beauty of this plan was it was supposed to end with the Headsman dying when his glider malfunctioned but one of the other T-Bolt's fixed it so that this guy could be kept around. And that character (The Headsman) was introduced in Kurt Busiek's pretty great 90's retro Spider-Man series called the Untold Tale's of Spider-Man, where he was a criminal who Norman Osborn supplied gadget's to that would later become Green Goblin weapons. Which was a nice way of closing the loop.
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The only thing Menace is a counter-argument to is the claim that Brand New Day was good.
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Sep 27, 2016 15:20
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Well, Web Warriors wrapped up today. That sure is a thing that happened. That sure was a comic that Marvel published. I'm fairly certain I will have forgotten by this time next year it was even a thing. And not even on purpose!
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well, Web Warriors wrapped up today. I don't think i'll even remember Web Warriors when it comes out on Unlimited, could you post what happens?
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:I don't think i'll even remember Web Warriors when it comes out on Unlimited, could you post what happens? I would, but I forgot (seriously!) and I don't have the issue to hand, so I'm going from half-remembered recollections. Something about an evil Harry Osborn wanting to hijack the Web of Life and Destiny while the Web Warriors are fighting the army of Electros from the first arc, and then I think they someone save the multiverse by playing a rock song? Oh I think Uncle Ben said something wise and meaningful. Anyway, it ended on a splash page where Master Weaver said that no matter what the threat, the Web Warriors would always be there to meet it. The End. I'm sure they'll show up beaten up (maybe even with one or two dead!) to show the next big multiversal threat means business. Man, they must be kicking themselves they couldn't have kept the wheels on long enough for Clone Conspiracy, between Anya's dad, Mayday's dad, and Gwen's Peter there was plenty of dead people whose return they could have harvested drama from.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:38
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Does Gwen still have her powers in Web Warriors? Or is she reliant on Jesse Drew's spider steroids?
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howe_sam posted:Does Gwen still have her powers in Web Warriors? Or is she reliant on Jesse Drew's spider steroids?  I don't think they ever address it, just like they completely ignore Web Warriors in Spider-Gwen.
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The sad petering out of Web Warriors made me sad for Contest of Champions again because of how well that book managed to pull off a similar concept and also deliver a fun ending even after getting cancelled. The most interesting thing Web Warriors did in its entire run was bring back the Spider-Ham 2099 universe for a second.
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Tato posted:The sad petering out of Web Warriors made me sad for Contest of Champions again because of how well that book managed to pull off a similar concept and also deliver a fun ending even after getting cancelled. The most interesting thing Web Warriors did in its entire run was bring back the Spider-Ham 2099 universe for a second. Yeah, Ewing quite clearly is really good at Multiverse Stuff. Give that man an Exiles book, already!
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Yvonmukluk posted:Yeah, Ewing quite clearly is really good at Multiverse Stuff. Give that man an Exiles book, already! That'll be a great 4 issues.
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Lurdiak posted:That'll be a great 4 issues. Yes, it will. Is that a problem? 
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God I'm getting so loving hyped for Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. It looks so, so loving good.
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Was the first issue of that clone thing any good?
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It was alright. Exactly what you'd expect. Jim Cheung's art is great as usual.
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howe_sam posted:Was the first issue of that clone thing any good? Guess who came back.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Guess who came back. Everyone. The answer is everyone.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Guess who came back. Back again?
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Is Ben Reilly back? don't gently caress with me on this poo poo.
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"Guess who came back" is actually genuinely hard because off the top of my head there's Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, Kaine, Ben Reilly, Dr. Octopus and, I don't know, Moe.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:02
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... Morlun? It's Morlun, isn't it
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Oct 15, 2016 05:04
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ultimate peter parker, clearly
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ImpAtom posted:"Guess who came back" is actually genuinely hard because off the top of my head there's Gwen Stacy, Uncle Ben, Kaine, Ben Reilly, Dr. Octopus and, I don't know, Moe. Yes but there is one character who comes back every clone saga. Without fail she is there.
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Oct 15, 2016 05:30
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yes but there is one character who comes back every clone saga. Without fail she is there. Aunt May? did they kill her again?
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Skwirl posted:Aunt May? did they kill her again? She wasn't dead the first time. This is like the fifth clone saga. The answer is Gwen Stacy, because sigh.
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CharlestheHammer posted:She wasn't dead the first time. This is like the fifth clone saga. I don't understand the point of bringing back Gwen Stacy when Spider-Gwen is running around. (Did they kill her?)
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Nope plus she is literally the character who died in the 60s. So she is the most generic love interest possible.
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spider-gwen and normal gwen are different characters, one doesn't preclude the other
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I mean she is probably not going to make it out of the saga as she never does but do something slightly different jeez.
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