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Brovine posted:Perhaps the biggest reason not to use a 747 as a missile boat? Tell that to Genadi Osipovich.
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TCD posted:We armed the 737 so I'm not sure that argument means much. Also, I'm not sure how easily 1990s radar could distinguish 747 vs other 4 engine large planes. well to be fair it did have a missile in it
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Naramyth posted:well to be fair it did have a missile in it 
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Naramyth posted:well to be fair it did have a missile in it lmao
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Naramyth posted:well to be fair it did have a missile in it A missile that came from Russia, say international prosecutors. Russia gives the textbook response of lies and obstruction.
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Air show in North Korea! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vqNqB0zBgE More cold war: a RNoAF F-104 flew for the first time in 33 years today, after 13 years of restoration, making it the only flightworthy lawn dart in Europe  Video of it taking off and flying into the god drat sunset here https://www.nrk.no/nordland/her-flyr-eskil-_the-widowmaker_-for-forste-gang-pa-33-ar-1.13152617 I only got to hear it howl 
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Naramyth posted:well to be fair it did have a missile in it it technically only had parts of a missile in it 
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Sweden is planning to reintroduce conscription in 2018 as they aren't getting enough recruits for the voluntary military, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/28/sweden-bring-back-conscription-2018
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Brovine posted:Perhaps the biggest reason not to use a 747 as a missile boat? That's like opposite land. The probable reason why they would consider that BAE ICBM launch platform would be to have it fly commercial routes and be hard to take out preemptively. e: VVV The point of prompt global strike is that you don't have to have the launch assets in the area at the time of need. Murgos fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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I think the BAE/Orbital ATK thing was a relatively recent rehash for the Prompt Global Strike initiative. So we'd be back on an 'airborne alert' system, only with conventionally-tipped air-launched TBMs. Something tells me it'd be pretty easy to spot the 747s flying in predictably ovular paths off the coast of North Korea and inside strike range for Afghanistan, Iran, and Yemen.
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Sperglord Actual posted:A missile that came from Russia, say international prosecutors. This may be a dumb question but is there actually any negative to a major nation just being full of bullshit and lies forever?
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Nebakenezzer posted:This may be a dumb question but is there actually any negative to a major nation just being full of bullshit and lies forever? How do you negotiate if your word is worthless?
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xthetenth posted:How do you negotiate if your word is worthless? This plus sanctions, trade restrictions, etc.
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I'm kind of skeptical of the value of sanctions, historically they don't seem to have had much impact.
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Mortabis posted:I'm kind of skeptical of the value of sanctions, historically they don't seem to have had much impact. Hasn't their economy pretty been a dumpster fire for the last few years, especially with the drop in oil prices?
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Plinkey posted:Hasn't their economy pretty been a dumpster fire for the last few years, especially with the drop in oil prices? Yes, their economy is in the shitter, but oil prices and their own domestic mismanagement probably account for almost all of that. I don't really *object* to sanctions but they strike me as the free tibet bumper sticker of geopolitics. VVV you lost me. Are you suggesting I support Trump/am parroting his Russia policy? Because neither is true. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Mortabis posted:I'm kind of skeptical of the value of sanctions, historically they don't seem to have had much impact. This post is  given the latest Trump news.
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xthetenth posted:How do you negotiate if your word is worthless? by threatening to cut of eastern europe's natrual gas supply
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Nebakenezzer posted:This may be a dumb question but is there actually any negative to a major nation just being full of bullshit and lies forever? I mean, there have to be some, but seemingly less than you'd think. 
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Mortabis posted:I'm kind of skeptical of the value of sanctions, historically they don't seem to have had much impact. This got me thinking about the sanctions on Japan pre-Pearl Harbor. Which I... don't actually know very much about.
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StandardVC10 posted:This got me thinking about the sanctions on Japan pre-Pearl Harbor. Which I... don't actually know very much about. the tldr is that japan was being imperialist as gently caress in east asia and broosevelt was getting tired of it so he cut off trade to japan. since the US was japans primary oil provider this inconvenienced them a lot and caused them to start looking for other sources, namely the dutch colonies in the pacific. they somehow though the us would give a poo poo if they invaded, and planned a simultaneous strike on pearl harbor the try and knock out the American fleet by exploiting their opponents inferior fighting spirit, a plan that has literally never work in all of recorded and unrecorded history.
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Mortabis posted:VVV you lost me. Are you suggesting I support Trump/am parroting his Russia policy? Because neither is true. One of Trump's companies just got caught illegally trading with Cuba.
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Godholio posted:One of Trump's companies just got caught illegally trading with Cuba.
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Godholio posted:One of Trump's companies just got caught illegally trading with Cuba. Hahahaha wow. And yeah I was actually thinking of the Cuba sanctions as I wrote that. They're still shambling along after what, 60 years?
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Yes, but Obama significantly eased them.
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mlmp08 posted:Yes, but Obama significantly eased them. Sounds like Trump was ahead of the curve, there.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Sounds like Trump was ahead of the curve, there. yeah the laffer curve
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xthetenth posted:How do you negotiate if your word is worthless? Marginalize/kill your own people or test a nuclear weapon, pretend to stop doing either to get sanctions relaxed.
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Mortabis posted:Hahahaha wow. The difference here is that the embargo against Cuba was just American. That's nothing to sneeze at, but Cuba could still trade with the rest of the world. Trade sanctions and embargoes (sp?) at the level of the UN are another thing altogether
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Nebakenezzer posted:The difference here is that the embargo against Cuba was just American. That's nothing to sneeze at, but Cuba could still trade with the rest of the world. Not that America didn't try to say it'd inflict sanctions against any foreign company anywhere in the world that traded with Cuba, mind you, until the EU told them to knock it off.
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I think trade embargo's would have more of an effect on governments that hold legit elections. Like if we put an embargo on the Philippines it would probably result in them realizing electing pieces of poo poo has consequences. That doesn't really work with Russia. It still hurts Russia but it wont result in the population going "gently caress this" and doing anything about the actual cause of the embargo.
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Smiling Jack posted:yeah the laffer curve 
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Reverand maynard posted:I think trade embargo's would have more of an effect on governments that hold legit elections. Like if we put an embargo on the Philippines it would probably result in them realizing electing pieces of poo poo has consequences. That doesn't really work with Russia. It still hurts Russia but it wont result in the population going "gently caress this" and doing anything about the actual cause of the embargo.
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Reverand maynard posted:I think trade embargo's would have more of an effect on governments that hold legit elections. Like if we put an embargo on the Philippines it would probably result in them realizing electing pieces of poo poo has consequences. That doesn't really work with Russia. It still hurts Russia but it wont result in the population going "gently caress this" and doing anything about the actual cause of the embargo. What would happen if a semi-important trade partner placed sanctions on us? You really think the American people would take a hard look at themselves and reevaluate things? Or would the average person flip it right back and take it as an insult? Now, what makes you think humans anywhere else would react differently? For gently caress's sake, the most destructive war in human history had its roots in this.
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Sharing a good post from the OSHA thread of all places, where the topic of discussion was aerial refuelling.SelenicMartian posted:And one day the fuel spills out and all over the plane and catches on fire.
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SelenicMartianr posted:And one day the fuel spills out and all over the plane and catches on fire. This story makes me hate every program manager who described how expensive and useless rigorous testing is.
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CarForumPoster posted:This story makes me hate every program manager who described how expensive and useless rigorous testing is. That's because you're not coming at it the right way. Get rid of all the ejection seats and parachutes, and remove every pilot's spleen. Think of the savings!
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hogmartin posted:That's because you're not coming at it the right way. Get rid of all the ejection seats and parachutes, and remove every pilot's spleen. Think of the savings! It'll be fine we've never had one fail in 5 years! No one ejected during this time
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CarForumPoster posted:This story makes me hate every program manager who described how expensive and useless rigorous testing is. You should hate them. They are bad at their job. Now if you want to bitch about inflated cross charging in DoD for USG on USG services, I couldn't agree more.
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Tremblay posted:You should hate them. They are bad at their job. Now if you want to bitch about inflated cross charging in DoD for USG on USG services, I couldn't agree more. This is true within big defense as well.
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