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Shangri-Law School posted:I think Hillary's heart and plans are in the right place, but pushing her to go further is not a bad idea at all. Though that might not work if it seems like you're writing her off regardless. I really hope Kaep doesn't go down the "blow it all up" path. It's pretty much the opposite of how his protest is working. I think Kaep is too far down the rabbit hole to blow it all up. It has people talking, which is a great thing. What worries me is it seems like it is creating more of a racial divide than anything else. That could be the narrative that the media and social media are pushing, but I dunno...it almost seems like it is making the divide between black people and white people even larger. These repeated cop killings sure don't help that though... Also, I don't watch NCIS but I am almost done with "The Killing" on Netflix and it has taught me Seattle is a miserable place where it rains 28 hours a day and literally everyone smokes.
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MrSargent posted:You realize she is running for President and has to be very diplomatic with her statements right? This isn't a new thing for any candidate. If you actually researched her stances on issues that deal with racial inequality, why did you ask what her positions were instead of providing your criticism of those policies? What are some things that you think should be a part of a candidate's platform as it pertains to racial inequality? Historically candidates don't start conservative and then veer radical once elected. It's actually usually the opposite.
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Sep 28, 2016 19:54
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weird Asian candy posted:I think Kaep is too far down the rabbit hole to blow it all up. It has people talking, which is a great thing. What worries me is it seems like it is creating more of a racial divide than anything else. That could be the narrative that the media and social media are pushing, but I dunno...it almost seems like it is making the divide between black people and white people even larger. These repeated cop killings sure don't help that though... There has always been that divide, we just got really good at ignoring it.
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Sep 28, 2016 19:55
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weird Asian candy posted:Also, I don't watch NCIS but I am almost done with "The Killing" on Netflix and it has taught me Seattle is a miserable place where it rains 28 hours a day and literally everyone smokes. The Killing is really bad and you should check out The Fall instead if you want a brooding crime show that doesn't have a red herring every episode.
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Sep 28, 2016 19:56
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CharlestheHammer posted:There has always been that divide, we just got really good at ignoring it. You are probably right...the light being shined on it is just brighter now ya think? It just seems like everyday there is something else that crops up and it suuuuuuuuucks
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Sep 28, 2016 19:58
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Americans are very eager for that divide to disappear and often are willfully ignorant of evidence that it still exists. We elected a black president 8 years ago, passed the civil rights bill 50 yrs ago, ended slavery 150 years ago...how could racism still be alive?
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Sep 28, 2016 19:57
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swickles posted:Thats kind of the loving problem. Other than disarming police officers like the British, I don't see how this case ends any differently. Taking away all of the cops guns would require first taking away most of the population's guns, because we can't have effective police if they are literally only bringing batons and tasers to actual gun fights. This case separates itself from other unarmed shootings of black men because it would appear in this instance... this man wanted to cops to shoot him. There's just no other explanation for him pulling his hands up and assuming a shooting stance with an officer staring at him down the sights of a loaded pistol. Non-compliance is one thing. Cops shouldn't be shooting people because they are non-compliant and the cop is nervous, like the poor dude in Oklahoma. These cases are dissimilar in a major way, and that seems to be the intent of the victim. One of them was frustrated and other was suicidal. Still though, the major point remains, escalation of force; and whether the cop should have had his pistol drawn in the first place. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 20:00
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Chichevache posted:The Killing is really bad and you should check out The Fall instead if you want a brooding crime show that doesn't have a red herring every episode. Whaddup The Fall friend?  We did watch it, and loved it. Watched Bloodline too and loved it. We were looking for another murder mystery show so we checked out The Killing. The red head drives me insane, but we have so much time invested we have to finish it.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Historically candidates don't start conservative and then veer radical once elected. Usually, but you have Obama and marriage equality, or LBJ and civil rights (deliberate on his part).
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Sep 28, 2016 20:03
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CharlestheHammer posted:There has always been that divide, we just got really good at ignoring it.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:03
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Chilichimp posted:Other than disarming police officers like the British, I don't see how this case ends any differently. Taking away all of the cops guns would require first taking away most of the population's guns, because we can't have effective police if they are literally only bringing batons and tasers to actual gun fights. Eh motive doesn't really matter unless he was actively trying to kill them, they still shouldn't have shot him. Though this one may be less racism and more our cops are trigger happy. Though race could have effected how afraid of him they were.
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weird Asian candy posted:Whaddup The Fall friend? Yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. By the time I realized how much I hated the Killing I was so invested I just kept watching to finish it. The Fall was awesome and I'm glad you're already on it. Bloodlines was really good too.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:05
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh motive doesn't really matter unless he was actively trying to kill them, they still shouldn't have shot him. Though this one may be less racism and more our cops are trigger happy. Though race could have effected how afraid of him they were. There's not a doubt in my mind about the truth of this statement. "He looks like a real bad dude. He's probably on something."
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Sep 28, 2016 20:06
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Chichevache posted:Yeah, that's exactly what happened to me. By the time I realized how much I hated the Killing I was so invested I just kept watching to finish it. The Fall was awesome and I'm glad you're already on it. Bloodlines was really good too. The Fall is soooooo good! October 29th it is out on Netflix right? S3?
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Sep 28, 2016 20:08
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weird Asian candy posted:The Fall is soooooo good! October 29th it is out on Netflix right? S3? I had heard! Super excited! Gillian Anderson absolutely kills it in that show.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:22
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I like The Fall It is cool and good and it has Scully
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CharlestheHammer posted:Historically candidates don't start conservative and then veer radical once elected. I agree in general, but this issue is a part of a lot of public conversation right now and I don't see it going away with social media exposing the ongoing problems. That makes it more likely (not certain of course) that it will be given more attention by the POTUS. Can anyone actually tell me what they would want to see in terms of policy changes from the candidates and explain why it isn't insane to think Hillary and Donald are alike when it comes to the issue of racial inequality?
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Sep 28, 2016 20:41
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Chilichimp posted:Other than disarming police officers like the British, I don't see how this case ends any differently. Taking away all of the cops guns would require first taking away most of the population's guns, because we can't have effective police if they are literally only bringing batons and tasers to actual gun fights. He's mentally ill, I don't think it's accurate to say he wants something based on his behavior since he's mentally ill
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Sep 28, 2016 20:44
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MrSargent posted:I agree in general, but this issue is a part of a lot of public conversation right now and I don't see it going away with social media exposing the ongoing problems. That makes it more likely (not certain of course) that it will be given more attention by the POTUS. Can anyone actually tell me what they would want to see in terms of policy changes from the candidates and explain why it isn't insane to think Hillary and Donald are alike when it comes to the issue of racial inequality? At the very least Hillary Clinton understands that Stop and Frisk is a worthless police tactic that does nothing for public safety and fosters distrust among police and Black Americans.
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v2vian man posted:He's mentally ill, I don't think it's accurate to say he wants something based on his behavior since he's mentally ill Mentally ill might just mean depressed, which again plays into the suicide theory. Either way, they probably shouldn't have drawn on him, as it's an unnecessary escalation.
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he wants to slash prices. 40% off cars that are practically brand new. mentally ill eddie
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MrSargent posted:I agree in general, but this issue is a part of a lot of public conversation right now and I don't see it going away with social media exposing the ongoing problems. That makes it more likely (not certain of course) that it will be given more attention by the POTUS. Can anyone actually tell me what they would want to see in terms of policy changes from the candidates and explain why it isn't insane to think Hillary and Donald are alike when it comes to the issue of racial inequality? Donald Trump wants to round up and deport every illegal immigrant in the united states. Hilary Clinton is not likely to do anything about their presence here, nor is she likely to attempt to reform immigration policy. I'd prefer she handle the second bit, but at least she's not threatening to round up and deport people who've lived here since they were babies and know no home but America, because "they are criminals who broke the law." Donald Trump will likely pursue discriminatory immigration policy to preclude Muslims from entering the United States. Hilary Clinton will probably not do this. Donald Trump is from the camp that thinks BLM is horseshit and that Black People should feel proud to be poo poo on by whites, get jobs, and stay the gently caress quiet. Hilary Clinton has at least acknowledged the movement. Whether she intends to do anything about unfair treatment of blacks by the police is something altogether different, but at least she won't be furthering rhetoric to downplay or destroy the movement. Then there is the basic argument of... which party is more likely to further racial equality, presidential candidates aside? As far as I can tell, the only really scathing indictment of Hilary re:Black Americans is her promotion of mandatory minimums in the 90's which she now admits was a mistake. Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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gently caress. My heart is just killing me over this. Dudes loving mentally ill and clueless about any of this and he's dead. No reset. No tomorrow. And some piece of poo poo questions if he was a true terror? gently caress.
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People talk about officers putting their lives on the line every day but that's starting to ring hollow when every fart and sneeze ends up with citizens full of bullet holes.
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Like poo poo what justification is there for shooting at that social worker in Florida laying on his back with his hands in the air screaming about how the dude next to him is just a mentally deficient guy with a toy truck Like gently caress what's the loving justification What is it
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Spoeank posted:Like poo poo what justification is there for shooting at that social worker in Florida laying on his back with his hands in the air screaming about how the dude next to him is just a mentally deficient guy with a toy truck He wasn't close enough to hear him saying please don't shoot the other guy, he doesn't have a gun and is playing with a toy truck. Then he got scared of the truck, and shot at the other guy but hit him, because they are professionals.
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Spoeank posted:Like poo poo what justification is there for shooting at that social worker in Florida laying on his back with his hands in the air screaming about how the dude next to him is just a mentally deficient guy with a truck that's the example that always gets me. the most baffling part was that the officer claimed to be shooting to kill the guy wielding said toy truck whilst making truck noises. ...and he'll likely never recover. CNN posted:While Rios was not shot, his injuries go much deeper, his family said. GonadTheBallbarian fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 21:27
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Spoeank posted:People talk about officers putting their lives on the line every day but that's starting to ring hollow when every fart and sneeze ends up with citizens full of bullet holes. This... To be fair, it started to ring hollow for me when I found out that lawn maintenance workers have a higher risk of death than police officers. Spoeank posted:Like poo poo what justification is there for shooting at that social worker in Florida laying on his back with his hands in the air screaming about how the dude next to him is just a mentally deficient guy with a toy truck When questioned by the victim as to why he was shot by the officer, the officer's reply was, "I don't know." hth Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 21:28
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Spoeank posted:Cool thanks. Well he's not wrong...
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pubic works project posted:Well he's not wrong... You are both wrong. It's a fine show. It takes TV tech trolling to new heights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ CSI: Cyber? TURN LEFT, HOLLYWOOD!
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NCIS somehow gets closer than just about every other show...which is very, very sad.
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Kirios posted:NCIS somehow gets closer than just about every other show...which is very, very sad. Which is why Mr. Robot is so very refreshing.
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Y'know...I've got a couple of sysadmins I work with that swear by that show. I really should just sit down and watch it.
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Spoeank posted:Like poo poo what justification is there for shooting at that social worker in Florida laying on his back with his hands in the air screaming about how the dude next to him is just a mentally deficient guy with a toy truck There is no justification.
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Chichevache posted:There is no justification. "Black people make me nervous, and I can't* say why."
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weird Asian candy posted:You are probably right...the light being shined on it is just brighter now ya think? It just seems like everyday there is something else that crops up and it suuuuuuuuucks For white people, sure, but none of this is really new for the black community. There's an inherent trust in police decision making and benefit of the doubt given to their actions that has allowed systemic racism to fester unchecked since pretty much forever. It needs to be challenged and that's really only happening now because the means to record and share the deadly interactions black people have with police makes it harder and harder to dismiss.
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Hey that picture of that guy that was just murdered by the police came from video shot by a witness. The cops selected that frame despite other witnesses saying he wasn't holding anything and his hands were often up. Big surprise the full video hasn't been released! Don't trust the loving cops.
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Sep 28, 2016 22:42
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Hot Diggity! posted:Don't trust the loving cops. I never do. NWA for life.
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a month ago some coworker told me a bunch of cops were outside checking out my car. a officer fed me some bullshit that my car matched a description of car they were looking for. Like normally i trust cops, but there was something super weird and off-putting about the whole thing. I made sure as gently caress to check my car for anything, even while the officers were standing outside, I know the stories.
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Hot Diggity! posted:Hey that picture of that guy that was just murdered by the police came from video shot by a witness. The cops selected that frame despite other witnesses saying he wasn't holding anything and his hands were often up. Big surprise the full video hasn't been released! Don't trust the loving cops. Figures.
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