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The Colonel posted:tales of the abyss is my favorite tales game, it isn't. asch is pretty angsty i guess but the main character's entire progression after act 1 is learning to be more calm and accepting and live with his own mistakes At which point he remains mired in self-loathing and proposes self-termination every six hours or so, to the party's consternation. Your opinions on ToA aside, it is absolutely chockablock with angst and melodrama.
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bloodychill posted:The way people talk about Tales of Abyss, it sounds like angsty protagonist: the game. I don't know about Abyss, but I couldn't stomach more than 45 minutes of the protagonist at the beginning of Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:30
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Oxxidation posted:At which point he remains mired in self-loathing and proposes self-termination every six hours or so, to the party's consternation. the entirety of act 3 of tales of the abyss is about people telling him that sacrificing himself is a hosed up, horrible idea act 3 of tales of the abyss is about luke realizing that he's not human trash and does, in fact, deserve to live a good life with everyone else The Colonel fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 20:31
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Tales of Symphonia Dawn of the New World flashes back to itself before you first gain control. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X59i3RkutbA
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Sep 28, 2016 20:32
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I read the l.p. of last remnant and was impressed by how unangsty the hero ends up being.
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FanaticalMilk posted:I don't know about Abyss, but I couldn't stomach more than 45 minutes of the protagonist at the beginning of Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. It's an awful game
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Paperhouse posted:The characters in Xenoblade aren't angsty, unless your definition of angst is pretty different to mine. They get angry because a bunch of flying super robots attack their town and kill a load of people, but that's not the same thing I feel like people only remember like the first 5 hours of Xenoblade and not Shulk's serious angsty depression that culminates in his refusing to kill the villain because he's learned to move past revenge and embrace the power of friendship.
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The Colonel posted:the entirety of act 3 of tales of the abyss is about people telling him that sacrificing himself is a hosed up, horrible idea Most of Act 2 has that happening too, but it doesn't change the fact that he's still constantly proposing it. And that's alongside the soap-opera backstories of nearly every other character in the game. Even the cuddly mascot accidentally killed a bunch of his own people and made himself a pariah a week or so before joining the party. Tales of the Abyss is decent but I think it gets a little too much praise because the Tales series is, on the whole, pretty frigging awful and ToA is one of the few entries that feels like a complete, thoughtful product. It's still got a bunch of stuff that's hard to like, nonetheless.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:36
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Zore posted:Everyone in II, III and IV? We must have a completely different definition of Teenage Angst because like, other than maybe Rei in 3 I can't think of any in 3 or 4. (I don't even recall Rei that much because he's kind of entirely forgettable) 4 is more people being angry at all the awful poo poo going on than anything. I don't recall that much about 2 other than it having a terrible translation, like tons of terrible poo poo happens to people but bad poo poo happening != teenage angst.
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Oxxidation posted:Most of Act 2 has that happening too, but it doesn't change the fact that he's still constantly proposing it. And that's alongside the soap-opera backstories of nearly every other character in the game. Even the cuddly mascot accidentally killed a bunch of his own people and made himself a pariah a week or so before joining the party. Actually most Tales games are pretty good apart from notable exceptions and Abyss is one of the better ones.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:43
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most tales games are not tales of the tempest
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Sakurazuka posted:Actually most Tales games are pretty good apart from notable exceptions and Abyss is one of the better ones. Nearly every entry has been some variety of janky, undercooked, or unfinished. Abyss and Symphonia seem to be complete, and Vesperia lucked out because its major piece of cut/dummied content was something the game was really better off without (Patty), but it takes at least a little masochism to enjoy most of the others. Maybe this only applies to the 3D entries, I never touched anything before Symphonia. Still looking forward to Berseria though, apparently it's supposed to be the most complete entry since Vesperia.
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And yet they're still good and fun games and far away from being 'friggin awful' Also the only ones that really applies to are the end of Xillia and all of Zestiria.
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Sep 28, 2016 20:49
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tales of graces f has one of the most fun battle systems in any rpg ever made, how do you have to be a masochist to have fun with a game that is fun to play
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Zore posted:Everyone in II, III and IV? Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 20:49
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I don't think you really need to be a masochist to enjoy a game whose flaw is 'the ending is a bit rushed."
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Zore posted:Everyone in II, III and IV? i'll bite where is it in iii and iv?
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The Colonel posted:tales of graces f has one of the most fun battle systems in any rpg ever made, how do you have to be a masochist to have fun with a game that is fun to play This. The story isn't great but the characters themselves are fun enough to salvage it anyways.
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Oxxidation posted:Nearly every entry has been some variety of janky, undercooked, or unfinished. Abyss and Symphonia seem to be complete, and Vesperia lucked out because its major piece of cut/dummied content was something the game was really better off without (Patty), but it takes at least a little masochism to enjoy most of the others. Maybe this only applies to the 3D entries, I never touched anything before Symphonia. Which ones have you actually played?
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Sep 28, 2016 20:50
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hubris.height posted:i'll bite Wait. You're asking where the angst is in BoFIV? BoF "My sister was turned into a horrifying abomination of nature" IV? BoF "literally has a giant gun powered by human sacrifice" IV?
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Sep 28, 2016 20:51
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Said giant gun fucks over the environment as badly as in the movie Nausicaa, with every shot, to reinforce the authority of the Emperor.
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I think jrpg teens usually have pretty good reasons for being angsty
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ImpAtom posted:Wait. You're asking where the angst is in BoFIV? BoF "My sister was turned into a horrifying abomination of nature" IV? BoF "literally has a giant gun powered by human sacrifice" IV? I guess I don't even understand what angst is supposed to mean because terrible poo poo happening to people isn't angst as far as I know. I guess I'm getting confused with mopey emo characters like Squall who are just loving obnoxious for no reason, as opposed to characters like Fou Lu or Cray who are just loving pissed and for good reason.
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lets hang out posted:I think jrpg teens usually have pretty good reasons for being angsty pretty much.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I guess I don't even understand what angst is supposed to mean because terrible poo poo happening to people isn't angst as far as I know. I guess I'm getting confused with mopey emo characters like Squall who are just loving obnoxious for no reason, as opposed to characters like Fou Lu or Cray who are just loving pissed and for good reason. Most characters who are angsty are angsty for a reason. I mean Squall is a literal child soldier abandoned by his father, sister, mother adoptive mother and kinda-sorta adoptive father. He doesn't have memories of them but he has the mass complexes that comes from being abandoned and forgotten and he mopes because he's scared and has nobody he can turn to for help. It's obnoxious but he has an actual in-game reason for being the way he is. You can argue how well-written it is (FF8 is helluva not well written) but he's got as much reason to be depressed and unhappy as you can reasonably give a guy. It's pretty rare for a character to be mopey for no reason. It's more that it depends on how likable they are that you'll accept when they start getting introspective or depressed.
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I guess I don't even understand what angst is supposed to mean because terrible poo poo happening to people isn't angst as far as I know. I guess I'm getting confused with mopey emo characters like Squall who are just loving obnoxious for no reason, as opposed to characters like Fou Lu or Cray who are just loving pissed and for good reason. Common usage refers to being upset about trivial poo poo, but the like literary definition or whatever is more like existential dread.
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I think when you let it fester instead of dealing with it, it becomes angst, which is why it might apply to Shion or Teepo.
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I thought Shion only acted that way because the sex was amazing and now he is dead.
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lets hang out posted:I think jrpg teens usually have pretty good reasons for being angsty The quality of their reasons does not make angst good or interesting.
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it's ok for a character to have feelings on things
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And there are plenty of those to have!
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:I guess I don't even understand what angst is supposed to mean because terrible poo poo happening to people isn't angst as far as I know. I guess I'm getting confused with mopey emo characters like Squall who are just loving obnoxious for no reason, as opposed to characters like Fou Lu or Cray who are just loving pissed and for good reason. cool av
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ImpAtom posted:Wait. You're asking where the angst is in BoFIV? BoF "My sister was turned into a horrifying abomination of nature" IV? BoF "literally has a giant gun powered by human sacrifice" IV? they were pretty optimistic about it until they discovered the truth, and even then they take it with a certain degree of 'well we know what needs to be done'. my assumption about angst was that you meant the characters were brooding, dark, and disturbed from the events. i had not assumed you meant 'the events in those games are sometimes very dark and horrifying'
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marshmallow creep posted:I read the l.p. of last remnant and was impressed by how unangsty the hero ends up being. Still the game I want to replay the most every year but can never find the time. Wish we'd get the PC release on PS4 or something.
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hubris.height posted:they were pretty optimistic about it until they discovered the truth, and even then they take it with a certain degree of 'well we know what needs to be done'. my assumption about angst was that you meant the characters were brooding, dark, and disturbed from the events. i had not assumed you meant 'the events in those games are sometimes very dark and horrifying' That's the perspective I was coming from too. For a game full of so much  the characters keep their spirits up pretty well. Fou Lu is kind of a different story but I don't think anyone blames him.Davincie posted:cool av Thanks  ImpAtom posted:Most characters who are angsty are angsty for a reason. ... Whatever. But seriously though that's fair. I honestly forgot about most of his backstory because frankly I try to avoid thinking about FF8 too much. 
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Gwyrgyn Blood posted:That's the perspective I was coming from too. For a game full of so much fou lu would make a better arguement for angst, because he's the dark god of death and he needs to eliminate all humans i would have agreed with that sentiment wholeheartedly
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i wanted to like the last remnant but man i really cannot stand all the obfuscated mechanics. i guess saga games just arent for me
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Yakiniku Teishoku posted:Anyway Earthlock is out now: This looks pretty good.
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Stexils posted:i wanted to like the last remnant but man i really cannot stand all the obfuscated mechanics. i guess saga games just arent for me the trick is to not really care about them its hard for me too though because i always like to 'game' the system. my problem with last remnant was more the incomprehensible story
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hubris.height posted:fou lu would make a better arguement for angst, because he's the dark god of death and he needs to eliminate all humans
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