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Baronjutter posted:They probably won't make another because beyond didn't do as well. If the TV show is a success maybe. Although gently caress trek movies, trek is a TV show and is generally at it's best as a TV show. But but Star Wars!!!! Disney!!!! -some exec
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The bit where McCoy thinks he's Spock is great. The adventures of David and some mysterious person with the same name as Saavik from Wrath of Khan were a bit poo poo.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:03
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Zurui posted:"My God, Bones...what have I done?"
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Sep 28, 2016 23:05
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Lord Hydronium posted:Ugh, I hate that part. Shatner's delivery is terrible, and McCoy's line doesn't sound like him at all. I don't hate that as much as McCoy's "Fascinating" response to Spock's request that they rig the photon torpedo in STVI.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:09
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Lord Hydronium posted:Ugh, I hate that part. Shatner's delivery is terrible, and McCoy's line doesn't sound like him at all. Shatner's delivery is rather terrible in almost all of his dialogue in both of Nimoy's films. Nimoy just had no idea how to handle him and just let him do his thing, and it really hurt both films (both Search for Spock and Voyage Home have much deeper underlying problems, but Shatner's performances really don't help).
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I think you'll find, actually, that Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home has no problems of any kind.
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Timby posted:Shatner's delivery is rather terrible in almost all of his dialogue in both of Nimoy's films. Nimoy just had no idea how to handle him and just let him do his thing, and it really hurt both films (both Search for Spock and Voyage Home have much deeper underlying problems, but Shatner's performances really don't help). Yeah? Well a double dumbass on you!
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cargohills posted:"My father says that you have been my friend. You came back for me [...] Why would you do this?" This right here is deeper and more powerful than anything that other franchise has ever given us.
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Please Don't Complain About Supermechagodzilla In This Thread, Thanks cenotaph posted:Star Trek was so big in the 90s that around Christmas a Star Trek merchandise shop would appear in my local mall along with the calendar shops. They had some of the same toys that the toy store had but also more expensive stuff. I remember a wooden bat'leth hanging on the wall. Like obviously I didn't expect it to actually scan for life forms, but I hoped for more button noises and reactions. Nessus fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Sep 28, 2016 23:39
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Nessus posted:Like obviously I didn't expect it to actually scan for life forms, but I hoped for more button noises and reactions. I was that kid who took the batteries out of his Trek toys because I could make the right noises. "Beep boop twee weeeeyouuup." Probably the biggest part of Trek for me in my formative years was the community. In elementary school I had built-in nerd friends because I liked Star Trek. We'd talk about how cool it was that they were making ANOTHER Star Trek show. (This one is set on a space station! How cool is that?) We'd argue technical minutiae and play the terrible Decipher Star Trek CCG (we made up special campaign rules with a 2-dimensional grid). Our Boy Scout troop was combined with another school and so our little Trek clique combined with their little Trek clique and it was awesome. Reruns of TNG played at 4:00 on our ABC affiliate for years and years. When they started syndicating DS9 at 3:00 (1997, I think) I would run home from the bus to catch the teaser.
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Sep 28, 2016 23:55
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I always feel jealous when I read or hear stories from other people's childhoods where they had nerdy friends that shared their interests while at the same age I had a fight like a goddamn redshirt to get to and from my locker because I had the gaul to wear a TNG t shirt to class in 3rd grade
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Baronjutter posted:They probably won't make another because beyond didn't do as well. If the TV show is a success maybe. Although gently caress trek movies, trek is a TV show and is generally at it's best as a TV show. The fact that they immediately announced "but we got that guy from those Marvel movies you stupid nerds like for the next one!" leaves me with the impression that they still don't know what to do with the franchise and will flail for as long as they think they can still milk it; they may honestly just keep going until one of them bombs completely
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Tighclops posted:The fact that they immediately announced "but we got that guy from those Marvel movies you stupid nerds like for the next one!" leaves me with the impression that they still don't know what to do with the franchise and will flail for as long as they think they can still milk it; they may honestly just keep going until one of them bombs completely Well, that's what they did last time.
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Tighclops posted:I always feel jealous when I read or hear stories from other people's childhoods where they had nerdy friends that shared their interests while at the same age I had a fight like a goddamn redshirt to get to and from my locker because I had the gaul to wear a TNG t shirt to class in 3rd grade See, you gotta travel in a pack. You gotta have at least 3-4 of you, and at least 1 of those other kids needs to be nerdier than you. That way, if someone does try to hassle you in the hall you can just toss him to the wolves and be like "oh gently caress see you on the bus bye spencer!" as you jog to class. Always leave a man behind.
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Yeah, we were pretty savagely mocked and pushed around. So it goes.
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Tighclops posted:The fact that they immediately announced "but we got that guy from those Marvel movies you stupid nerds like for the next one!" leaves me with the impression that they still don't know what to do with the franchise and will flail for as long as they think they can still milk it; they may honestly just keep going until one of them bombs completely I'm actually skeptical that they're going to make a fourth. I know that McKay and Payne have been hired to write a script, and Pine and Quinto signed new contracts that obligated them to do a fourth movie in exchange for getting a massive pay raise for Beyond, but given the troubled production of Beyond, I'm pretty convinced the only reason it was made at all was because Paramount was like, "poo poo, we've got to do something for the anniversary year." And then it under-performed due to a multitude of factors (poor marketing and possibly the most stupid release timing imaginable, primarily). I imagine another movie being greenlit will very heavily depend on how much money Beyond makes on home video, and if the Transformers series continues to be a reliable revenue generator, because the studio doesn't have much else in the way of franchises.
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The whole Star Trek reboot thing really only works to make the universe work in movie format. We're never gonna get consistency or world-building there, even if the series got its act together. Honestly, the most interesting thing about Beyond to me is that it was the middle of the Enterprise's five year mission rather than before or after. But even that didn't play a role.
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Mister Kingdom posted:I don't hate that as much as McCoy's "Fascinating" response to Spock's request that they rig the photon torpedo in STVI. Star Trek: I hate Star Trek
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Btw I've decided to finally settle the debate on the best Star Trek moment. It's this: Honorable mention goes to the time Sulu found a revolver on a deserted planet and just started firing it and laughing at how fun it was. Not being affected by space madness or anything, he was just having a great time.
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Zurui posted:Star Trek: I hate Star Trek
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Pwnstar posted:Honorable mention goes to the time Sulu found a revolver on a deserted planet and just started firing it and laughing at how fun it was. Not being affected by space madness or anything, he was just having a great time. 
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Zurui posted:Star Trek: I hate Star Trek "Star Trek fans do not actually like Star Trek." --Supermechagodzilla, probably
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Powered Descent posted:"Star Trek fans do not actually like Star Trek." --Supermechagodzilla, probably 
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Cojawfee posted:So is this what it was like for the TOS people right before TNG came out? "I was there for the good Star Trek, man." I was young, but I'd had a couple years of ST fandom under my belt, read a ton of novels, had the Franz Joseph Technical Manual (1st edition hardcover  ). I was very skeptical but also excited. I didn't see us getting more than a couple years out of the new show.
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Season 1 DS9 has far more good episodes than bad.
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armoredgorilla posted:Season 1 DS9 has far more good episodes than bad. Anyone that hates Move Along Home hates fun. 
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Pieces of Peace posted:Anyone that hates Move Along Home hates fun. It's only a game!
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Cojawfee posted:Even the CineD Star Trek thread is immediately ruined because some goon is pushing his insane "trek cycle" theory. Even movies are good, odd movies are bad. Don't make things complicated. I think there's a few different ways to categorize the different movies besides just "good/bad" and I never thought Search was bad enough to justify the even/odd rule anyway. I think a better distinction would be between movies that feel like extended episodes with "big screen" scifi/action elements stapled on (TMP, Final Frontier, Insurrection), Star Tek "mythology" movies that explored the setting and the characters, often bridging different eras and leaning on established continuity (the 2/3/4 trilogy, TUC, Generations), and those that split the difference (First Contact, Nemesis, JJTrek). I struggled with those catagories a bit though -- the 2/3/4 trilogy as a whole is very wrapped up in the Trek Mythos, but The One With the Whales, in particular, also closely resembles classic high concept TOS episodes. Likewise, the JJ Treks are kind of tricky to fit in this scheme because they're pretty different from their antecedents (and there's no modern Trek show to compare them to), but I think they really have been trying to have it both ways and, so far, Beyond has been the only one to really make that work (its plot is pretty standard episodic action sci-fi, but its tone and setting elements are pure mythos). You could also probably break the movies into conceptual scifi, action adventure, and character-driven, but there's so much overlap there (especially from the TNG movies on), that I wouldnt' know where to start. Also, there's a CD Trek thread? Why?
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Probably to focus on the films. Oughta rename that form CaSMG
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The best thing that SMG ever did was when he popped into BSS and tried to spew his gimmick bullshit in there and X-O probated his rear end within minutes.
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Duckbag posted:Also, there's a CD Trek thread? Why? Who knows? They're Not Our People, dear.
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Astroman posted:Who knows? They're Not Our People, dear. I'm sure it's about how the classic trek movies are all unwatchably bad, the new trek movies are better and into darkness is by far the best, and that Nemesis is clearly the best trek movie ever made because the dune buggy scene is an extremely obvious allegory about the struggles of women's suffrage and Shinzon is perhaps the best written antagonist in the history of cinema and if you don't agree you clearly didn't watch the movie correctly and don't even know what you like.
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Pieces of Peace posted:Anyone that hates Move Along Home hates fun. Agreed. Alamarain, motherfuckers.
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It's been long enough that I hope we aren't still spoiler-tagging stuff from "Beyond" but... (spoilers ahead ) while I liked the first two-thirds or so, I found the end of Beyond to be a tedious chore. I didn't give one poo poo about the big revelation about Krall's "real background", and watching Kirk and him play Spider-Man superhero-type leaps from building to building was just dreadful. And the final fistfight in the ventilation system was such a letdown I was rooting for the bad guy. I mean, compare that ending to the ending of TMP, TWOK, or even IV or VI and it feels so shallow. Anyway, that's my two-month-late gripe about Beyond.
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The future is going to suck if we do away with pro sports and TV shows and movies and replace them all with theatrical plays and violin concertos.
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Thankfully, there will be all kinds of concertos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7cXWrdHshE
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Who knew that Data and O'Brien had those kind of sick beats in them?
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SMG is the CD Nietzsche
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Gonz posted:The future is going to suck if we do away with pro sports and TV shows and movies and replace them all with theatrical plays and violin concertos. UFC will still exist, though. ULTIMATE FICELLO CHAMPIONSHIP will be very popular amongst space Canadians like the stalwart commander Eddington, I must say.
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Gonz posted:The future is going to suck if we do away with pro sports and TV shows and movies and replace them all with theatrical plays and violin concertos. There's also playing Damjat for latinum. And stabbing people in the heart when they cheat you at Damjat
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