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Did FBI Marc impeach himself? DiscV is going to be so sad.
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WrenP-Complete posted:I just tried to explain sovereign citizens to a recent Serbian immigrant. I think I failed pretty hard but his summary was, "they are crazy people or not crazy people with wrong ideas and bad understanding of the US government system," which isn't the worst summary. in sovereign america, law breaks you
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Sep 29, 2016 05:16
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WrenP-Complete posted:Did FBI Marc impeach himself? DiscV is going to be so sad. Not meaningfully, by anything I can find. Impeachment just means the opposing side tried to attack their testimony. And just call me Vox. It lets me conflate myself with the similarly pseudointellectual news entity, and with the 5 or so other users with "Vox" in their name. Breaking: YESSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSS Oh, I almost hope they approve this so the higher court can tear him to shreds... Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 05:35 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sep 29, 2016 05:33
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Subterfrugal posted:Cross examination is limited to the scope of the direct examination (and impeachment) by rule. So if the government calls FBI Mark to talk about his conversation with the last four holdouts, the defense can only cross him on his conversation with the last four holdouts (and the time he got caught lying under oath).
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Sep 29, 2016 05:39
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Discendo Vox posted:
"Vox" makes me think "Vox Day" who is an unrepentant shithead though 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:"Vox" makes me think "Vox Day" who is an unrepentant shithead though I agree. DV also has an unfortunate denotation.
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Sep 29, 2016 06:06
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WrenP-Complete posted:But when did he lie under oath? Oh Jesus. Sorry. He didn't lie under oath. I meant that as an example of impeachment being a topic for cross examination.
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Sep 29, 2016 07:15
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Discendo Vox posted:Breaking: I'm too tired to process word salad. Does this appeals notice say anything he hasn't already said?
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Sep 29, 2016 10:52
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:I wonder if more pessimistic countries are inoculated against this nonsense a bit? In the US folks believe that freedom is essential, corruption is intolerable, and justice exists. The constitution is practically holy writ, and the founding fathers are all but infallible. So when the American Dream doesn't materialize for you personally, it must be that something is wrong, horribly wrong, and you just need to find the secret code to get back to the ideal USA that civics class promised you. Obviously that confers upon them the same rights and privileges that US sovcits enjoy, in particular not having to pay taxes, traffic tickets or needing a driver's license. e: In fact they've decided that since the Fed.Rep. doesn't exist, that must mean that the Reich is still in charge and they've appointed themselves Acting Reich Government of Germany Bonfire Lit has issued a correction as of 11:46 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sep 29, 2016 11:43
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So they are literal nazis?
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Sep 29, 2016 13:01
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Mors Rattus posted:So they are literal nazis? Maybe they're all about the second reich. Third reich is too well-known.
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Sep 29, 2016 13:14
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Why doesn't the Weimar Republic count as a reich?
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Sep 29, 2016 13:26
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Discendo Vox posted:
They haul in the safe and just slam it down on the table in front of him. "Now, what would you like to ask?"
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Sep 29, 2016 13:41
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Mors Rattus posted:So they are literal nazis? Liquid Dinosaur posted:Why doesn't the Weimar Republic count as a reich?
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Sep 29, 2016 14:00
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Discendo Vox posted:Oregonian coverage here. Not as good today, unfortunately. the big takeaway: That's a drat shame. I bet the prosecutor's been waiting his entire career for the opportunity of facing someone representing themselves taking the stand and immediately going, "Objection, you honour! Counsel is leading the witness!"
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Sep 29, 2016 14:53
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Of all his crazy requests, asking for the safe to be introduced as evidence seems pretty reasonable. It won't help him at all, but it's a relevant piece of evidence.
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Sep 29, 2016 15:10
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They should start calling The US CONSTITUTION to the stand in the hopes the judge argues "the Constitution is not on trial here!"
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Sep 29, 2016 16:23
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Bob Socko posted:Of all his crazy requests, asking for the safe to be introduced as evidence seems pretty reasonable. It won't help him at all, but it's a relevant piece of evidence. I'm not sure now is the right time to request new evidence be entered- or that the safe is dispositive of anything the jury is determining.
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Sep 29, 2016 16:36
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"let's bring in more hard evidence against me" is definitely not the track i would be taking in this at least if the safe isn't in the room they can still pretend they didn't damage it
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Sep 29, 2016 16:43
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Bundy: Ladys and gentlemen of the court, I believe you'll find that this safe, this same safe that was at the refuge, the very refuge that *Bundy jumps out window he has been stepping slowly towards* Bundy: LATER poo poo LORDS
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Sep 29, 2016 16:43
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Your honor i demand the opportunity to cross-examine the poo poo pit - if we REALLY poo poo in that pit, why can't the state furnish the pit to the court?
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Sep 29, 2016 16:44
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MariusLecter posted:Bundy: Ladys and gentlemen of the court, I believe you'll find that this safe, this same safe that was at the refuge, the very refuge that WILD CARD BITCHES YEEEEEEHAAWWWW I wonder if this is a sovereign citizen tactic to claim that it, not he, is Ryan Bundy the legal entity. Gold fringes bitches! Wasabi the J has issued a correction as of 16:48 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sep 29, 2016 16:44
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MariusLecter posted:Bundy: Ladys and gentlemen of the court, I believe you'll find that this safe, this same safe that was at the refuge, the very refuge that Two minutes later as the police cruisers encircle him and a bunch of cops and a canine unit or two dogpile that gently caress to the ground; Bundy: "AHHH AHHH I DO NOT CONSENT, I DO NOT CONSENT! NO JOINDER!"
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Sep 29, 2016 17:27
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Plot twist: The window was 5 stories up and he paralyzes himself. His face goes back to normal though.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:38
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SocketWrench posted:Two minutes later as the police cruisers encircle him and a bunch of cops and a canine unit or two dogpile that gently caress to the ground; "NO JOINDER BRO! AAAAUGH"
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Sep 29, 2016 17:40
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I cannot be the only one who fantasizes about these knuckleheads living out their natural lives safe, relatively comfortable, and not free, doomed by the society they endangered to writing letters about how they don't get enough television channels in prison.
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Sep 29, 2016 17:49
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Casimir Radon posted:Plot twist: The window was 5 stories up and he paralyzes himself. His face goes back to normal though. Or just twists the unaffected side so they finally match up
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Sep 29, 2016 18:45
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WrenP-Complete posted:I cannot be the only one who fantasizes about these knuckleheads living out their natural lives safe, relatively comfortable, and not free, doomed by the society they endangered to writing letters about how they don't get enough television channels in prison. I can't wait for Ammon's award winning art career
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Sep 29, 2016 19:15
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all rear end no class posted:Or just twists the unaffected side so they finally match up
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Sep 29, 2016 19:22
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https://twitter.com/senyorreporter/status/781597487027122177 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781597872995172352 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781653649122480128 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781654459625582592 Whuh oh. https://twitter.com/Leah_Sottile/status/781586033754333184 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781658118388273152 Shawna Cox continues to deliver.
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Sep 30, 2016 05:17
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Sep 30, 2016 05:52
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Subterfrugal posted:Cross examination is limited to the scope of the direct examination (and impeachment) by rule. So if the government calls FBI Mark to talk about his conversation with the last four holdouts, the defense can only cross him on his conversation with the last four holdouts (and the time he got caught lying under oath). If the defense wants to talk to Mark about some other aspect of the case, then they have to call him in their case-in-chief. Thanks, I got my JD from Law-&-Order-Reruns-On-USA-Network University  Discendo Vox posted:
I love the idea that the trial has to stop and everyone goes free because of some obscure 1986 point of case law that no one has thought of up until today. And of course randomly throwing in *by right* periodically like it's this legal trump card that magically bends the law to their will. It's like you can tell they're trying to reign in the sovcit bullshit but it slips out every 3-4 pages. When do the charges from the 2014 occupation start? Is the government going to have a separate trial in Nevada after they've (presumably) won this one? Or will the Nevada-only conspirators be tried in a separate federal court? It'd be wonderful for the Bundy bros to sit in prison for 10 years thinking they're going to be freed, only to be brought into federal court in Nevada for another 10 year sentence.
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red19fire posted:Or will the Nevada-only conspirators be tried in a separate federal court? It'd be wonderful for the Bundy bros to sit in prison for 10 years thinking they're going to be freed, only to be brought into federal court in Nevada for another 10 year sentence. All this excitement I totally forgot that idiot got on a loving plane and thought he could fly to Oregon.
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Sep 30, 2016 07:28
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Sep 30, 2016 09:14
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Sep 30, 2016 09:37
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It's an effigy of Lavoy Finnicum?
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Sep 30, 2016 09:43
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WrenP-Complete posted:It's an effigy of Lavoy Finnicum? That is absolutely what it is. It even looks like a blue tarp shirt.
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Sep 30, 2016 13:24
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WrenP-Complete posted:It's an effigy of Lavoy Finnicum? you can't see it but it does an animatronic slow-rear end cross draw. And then an animatronic FBI agent on a different car shoots it dead to rights.
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Aha! I see it better now. I was viewing it on my phone yesterday and I thought it was someone standing on top of a car. After living in Oregon for two years I didn't want to assume it wasn't someone on the car dressed normally for them. Is there video? I looked on youtube and didn't see any, but holy cow are my Audubon Society peeps angry. I can maybe get a friend to film if that car is still there. Also, I would reiterate* all of red19fire's procedural questions above. Dropping out of law school after one semester was a fantastic life decision, but I am aware to a greater degree how I don't know about any of these issues. *Is there a verb for re-ask rather than re-tell? WrenP-Complete has issued a correction as of 13:59 on Sep 30, 2016 |
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