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Bullets achieve their killing power because the explosion is contained in the chamber, and the gases expand out the barrel, pushing the bullet ahead of it rapidly. If a bullet goes off in a fire, it basically just pops open. A huge number of rounds (like an ammo dump) exploding will result in a large number of rounds cooking off dangerously, but it's a numbers thing. If you throw a handful of rounds into a campfire chances are none of the bullets make it past the stones containing the fire.
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Icon Of Sin posted:e: this is with a .50 cal machine bullet, the largest bullet in service (outside of things mounted on vehicles). This is the upper end of injury from a bullet going off, unless you somehow got your hands on ( ) a mk19 round, or an explosive 25mm/300mm like bradleys, apaches or A10s shoot. Yeah, that picture is pretty bad, but as you said a .50 is a loving huge bullet. It's pretty much at the upper range of what a person can fire in a single-shot rifle. Any automated .50 is pretty much mounted on a machine or stationary platform. For reference, here's the size comparison from the .50 BMG (Browning Machine Gun) page on wikipedia: Note how the 7.72mm and the NATO rounds are the smallest rounds besides the .22LR? The .22LR is mostly used for shooting targets or small game/vermin, if it went off in your hand you'd likely get some nasty burns and cuts from the powder and shrapnel since neither your hand nor the brass casing can compress the explosion nearly as well as a gun's chamber. The next two rounds would more or less be like a firework going off in your hand: burns, broken bones and a few nasty cuts from brass being forced into your hand but you're still pretty much guaranteed to keep the full use of your hand once it heals. If a handgun or rifle round goes off without a gun's chamber and barrel to compress it the blast really isn't that bad. In fact the bullet is far heavier than the casing so the bullet will generally stand still while the casing bounces around mostly harmlessly. Dude was still a fuckwit for using the base of a .50 as a hammer.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 17:58 |
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You can't send ammo through USPS. They were indeed receiving packages through the evil US Postal Service. I actually rather like USPS. I've bought a lot of books over the years from Amazon third party sellers, and the mail has never mangled or lost anything I've bought. They did lose a check I sent this spring, but it was the first time ever. I just find it really ironic that we must support ARE TROOPS, but hate the guy who delivers the mail when I know for a fact he has days where he works harder than I do.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 19:34 |
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USPS is great because they mail me drugs and won't open my packages without a search warrant Remember kids: The private sector doesn't value your privacy, but the government has to. This is why I love Uncle Sam. More big government, please!
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 19:41 |
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When a round is ignited outside of a gun, the bullet goes essentially nowhere. It’s heavy and the shell can’t build enough pressure to give it a good push before bursting. The thing you have to worry about, to the extent you have to worry at all, is the shell, which now small, sharp pieces of brass flying in every direction. Think of it as a really lovely hand grenade. Now for a historical sidenote: This is a diagram of a lever‐action rifle. Normally the rounds would be in a tube under the barrel. This is an uncommon design, but it illustrates the concept. See how those cartridges are all lined up nose‐to‐butt (no jokes, please)? That’s kind of a bad idea because if the rifle were ever to get jolted strongly enough, the nose of one bullet is positioned just right to set off the round in front of it. This image illustrates the solution: don’t use bullets with pointy noses. It was as simple as that. Unfortunately, blunt‐nosed bullets don’t necessarily have the ballistic performance you want, so it was a mark against lever‐action rifles.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 19:46 |
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In a desperate attempt to forever slay the demon of Gun Chat™ here's a great write-up on the civil suit grilling that retard sympathizer sheriff got: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/09/grant_county_sheriff_invokes_t.html#incart_river_home_pop quote:JOHN DAY – Grant County Sheriff Glenn Palmer invoked his right against self-incrimination 51 times while being questioned under oath about his handling of government records.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 20:06 |
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ToxicSlurpee posted:It's an insight into what their freedom-addled brains weren't doing. The "bullets crammed into literally everything" coupled with their utter lack of other preparation shows that they just didn't think about logistics. Their guns were totems and little more; they were disorganized idiots about the whole thing in every way imaginable. Novo posted:I'm pretty sure I remember reading they left evidence of their lifestyle all over the place, inside and out. There would have been spoiled food, tobacco products, beverage containers, mud, pocket constitutions, etc, strewn everywhere. In that context finding guns and ammo shouldn't be surprising at all. It's basically Broken Windows Theory applied to a bunch of dumb hicks LARPing as freedom fighters. As I've said before, in a little more than 3 weeks they turned a pristine wildlife preserve into a condemned trailer park. They were ostensibly planning for an occupation of a year while simultaneously spitting tobacco on the carpets, just unrepentant slobs. It's why most professional military soldiers are loving lunatics about cleanliness, and theres a job (in the marines at least) for ammunition technicians, aka bullet counters. They probably also had some romantic ideal of making a Last Stand and needing to hide bullets everywhere, but I'm sure that Tarpman's demise changed their minds real quick. Captain_Maclaine posted:It indicates their plans and preparations were heavily influenced by PS1-era Resident Evil games. I was going to say 'Siege preparation somewhere between Home Alone and a squirrel burying nuts for the winter' but this is perfect.
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i want to print this out and frame it Mirthless has issued a correction as of 20:39 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:This is hilarious. red19fire posted:I was going to say 'Siege preparation somewhere between Home Alone and a squirrel burying nuts for the winter' but this is perfect. Seriously, when I read about how they left stray ammo just lying around, I flashed back to finding handfuls of 9mm rounds in garbage cans, desk drawers, and random other locations in the early part of Resident Evil 2 so hard that my spoken dialogue got really stilted and I started placing emotional emphasis on random words in each sentence.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Seriously, when I read about how they left stray ammo just lying around, I flashed back to finding handfuls of 9mm rounds in garbage cans, desk drawers, and random other locations in the early part of Resident Evil 2 so hard that my spoken dialogue got really stilted and I started placing emotional emphasis on random words in each sentence. Games still do that. I mean I can kinda understand in post-apocalypic settings like Fallout where poo poo's just left wherever by squatters after dozens of years but some games get really silly about it when you think about it. The first example that springs to mind is Deadspace 2. Yes the protagonist is primarily using reconfigured engineering tools to fight of zombies, but it's pretty strange to find plasma cutter ammo, sawblades or loving detonation packs, let alone ammo for the straight up plasma rifles in the middle of domestic settings. And these weren't placed here after the apocalypse by squatters, you're basically walking around in the middle of the space-zombie apocalypse as it's happening so why is there a crate with Flamethrower or Detonator ammo in this kid's room I just walked through?
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 21:30 |
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Space school shooter interrupted by space zombies.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 21:33 |
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Alkydere posted:Games still do that. I mean I can kinda understand in post-apocalypic settings like Fallout where poo poo's just left wherever by squatters after dozens of years but some games get really silly about it when you think about it. The first example that springs to mind is Deadspace 2. Yes the protagonist is primarily using reconfigured engineering tools to fight of zombies, but it's pretty strange to find plasma cutter ammo, sawblades or loving detonation packs, let alone ammo for the straight up plasma rifles in the middle of domestic settings. And these weren't placed here after the apocalypse by squatters, you're basically walking around in the middle of the space-zombie apocalypse as it's happening so why is there a crate with Flamethrower or Detonator ammo in this kid's room I just walked through? At least the voice acting is less cringe-worthy, these days.
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Alkydere posted:why is there a crate with Flamethrower or Detonator ammo in this kid's room I just walked through? I take it you don't live in the American south
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Mors Rattus posted:Space school shooter interrupted by space zombies. The idea that the elementary school you go through was hosed no matter what is morbidly amusing. Though a space-school shooter case would have less suicide-bomb babies at least. Parallel Paraplegic posted:I take it you don't live in the American south Texas, actually. And as we've just seen with the Bundy Buddies. The sorts who would treat explosives/guns/flammables this casually are definitely not limited to south of the Mason Dixie. Alkydere has issued a correction as of 21:40 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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I'll talk a lot of poo poo about the south, and while they have their issues, these types of whackaloons are pretty much a staple of the upper midwest and southwest
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 21:46 |
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where ever there is hill country and brush land, a mouth breathing moron with loose ammunition will be there
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 21:54 |
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:In a desperate attempt to forever slay the demon of Gun Chat™ here's a great write-up on the civil suit grilling that retard sympathizer sheriff got:
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 21:57 |
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This video almost killed my lawyer friend last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZbqAMEwtOE
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WrenP-Complete posted:This video almost killed my lawyer friend last night: And you didn't finish the job?
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:In a desperate attempt to forever slay the demon of Gun Chat™ here's a great write-up on the civil suit grilling that retard sympathizer sheriff got: Remember, when the FBI asked him to send them a list of everyone who had access to their crime computer systems, he faxed back a handwritten note: "ANYONE I DEPUTIZE". And suddenly his office had their access to the FBI's classified computer systems revoked. He was Boss Hog levels of corrupt, not enough bad things can happen to this idiot.
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WrenP-Complete posted:This video almost killed my lawyer friend last night: Sounds like that guy missed his calling as an engineer.
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General coverage of today's opening of the defense case here(OPB).quote:Defense attorneys for Ammon Bundy and six others accused of taking over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge earlier this year got off to a rocky start Wednesday morning as they began making their case. Oregonian coverage here. Not as good today, unfortunately. the big takeaway: quote:If any of the defendants who are representing themselves plan to testify, they will be questioned by another lawyer, the judge said. It would be hard for jurors, she noted, to keep "a straight face,'' if a defendant posed their own questions and then answered them on the stand. At the trial today, one Shirley Warren became the focus of attention. Warren is a native american(of the Siletz tribe, not, Burns Paiute, which appears to be completely unrelated) who appeared on occupier videos to say that the occupiers were treating native american artifacts with respect, but that the employees at the refuge offices had not. Video here, and here. She was disavowed by her tribe almost immediately. Well, she was called as a defense witness today. It was a mess. Remember when I fixated on Brandon Curtiss early in the occupation? well, I was wrong to do so (he wound up being a bit player in those events), but that doesn't mean he isn't fun! https://twitter.com/LesZaitz/status/781204370658586624 Members of 3% militia group say leader took money meant for arrested Idahoans Also: https://twitter.com/Shady_Mitt/status/780989323713847296 MariusLecter posted:And you didn't finish the job? A shameful patriot.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 23:06 |
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What is the world coming to where we can't even trust the leader of an outspoken group of national traitors not to be a traitor
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quote:Maxwell testified about working through suicide prevention techniques with Fry. He also described the final conversation with Fry, when the 28-year-old from Ohio demanded negotiators say “hallelujah” before he would surrender. To be fair, a lot of guys come out for Marc Maxwell.
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WrenP-Complete posted:Okay last two gun law related questions from me, I think. I don't know this vocabulary in English that well, so please forgive any errors. You have to strike the primer hard and fast....point of refrence you can crush bullets in a press and they won't explode
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Discendo Vox posted:Remember when I fixated on Brandon Curtiss early in the occupation? well, I was wrong to do so (he wound up being a bit player in those events), but that doesn't mean he isn't fun! quote:One member, who did not wish to be identified, said there were about 1,000 members statewide before the resignations began. So are they going to start an offshoot of the 3% called '3% of 3%'? Wasn't he the one that disappeared with like $5k of kickstarter Bundy support money and drank it away in a motel room? E: is there a master list of 'vocal anti government idiots sheepishly beg for help from the government dot XLS' somewhere? quote:An anonymous complaint was filed Monday with the Idaho Attorney General’s Office. red19fire has issued a correction as of 23:42 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Reminder that David Duke was fleecing idiots throughout the 90s by claiming to be in severe financial difficulty. He also didn't pay taxes on this money which earned him his felony.
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Super Patriots and white supremacists being easily scammed is hardly surprising.
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# ? Sep 28, 2016 23:56 |
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Socialist Jesus loves us, for:
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# ? Sep 29, 2016 01:28 |
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https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781278837493551104 https://twitter.com/conradjwilson/status/781258176393916416 This is remarkable- other journalists are reacting with shock. The trial was anticipated to last for months.
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# ? Sep 29, 2016 01:51 |
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Lol if they each told the court that that they had 15-20 witnesses each and then whoopsies they're all the same.
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781278837493551104 They're realizing that they hosed themselves royally and there's not much they could do about it. May as well through themselves at the mercy of the jury. Subterfrugal posted:Lol if they each told the court that that they had 15-20 witnesses each and then whoopsies they're all the same. Hahahaha, that too.
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SubponticatePoster posted:I need a goddamn cigarette after that. You should crosspost it in the schadenfruede thread. you know I think I will!
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I just tried to explain sovereign citizens to a recent Serbian immigrant. I think I failed pretty hard but his summary was, "they are crazy people or not crazy people with wrong ideas and bad understanding of the US government system," which isn't the worst summary.
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Discendo Vox posted:https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/781278837493551104 I know this is a dumb question but are witnesses allowed to be called twice? I thought cross examination was the defense's only chance to ask questions?
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WrenP-Complete posted:I just tried to explain sovereign citizens to a recent Serbian immigrant. I think I failed pretty hard but his summary was, "they are crazy people or not crazy people with wrong ideas and bad understanding of the US government system," which isn't the worst summary. I wonder if more pessimistic countries are inoculated against this nonsense a bit? In the US folks believe that freedom is essential, corruption is intolerable, and justice exists. The constitution is practically holy writ, and the founding fathers are all but infallible. So when the American Dream doesn't materialize for you personally, it must be that something is wrong, horribly wrong, and you just need to find the secret code to get back to the ideal USA that civics class promised you. Old world countries seem to have more resignation for life's little imperfections.
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WrenP-Complete posted:This video almost killed my lawyer friend last night: I want one of these of the Rick and Morty Georgia case.
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Rockin Orthodontist posted:I wonder if more pessimistic countries are inoculated against this nonsense a bit? In the US folks believe that freedom is essential, corruption is intolerable, and justice exists. The constitution is practically holy writ, and the founding fathers are all but infallible. So when the American Dream doesn't materialize for you personally, it must be that something is wrong, horribly wrong, and you just need to find the secret code to get back to the ideal USA that civics class promised you. It's spread to at least the British Commonwealth, with the Freemen on the Land being their equivalent to our SovCits.
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red19fire posted:I know this is a dumb question but are witnesses allowed to be called twice? I thought cross examination was the defense's only chance to ask questions? Cross examination is limited to the scope of the direct examination (and impeachment) by rule. So if the government calls FBI Mark to talk about his conversation with the last four holdouts, the defense can only cross him on his conversation with the last four holdouts (and the time he got caught lying under oath). If the defense wants to talk to Mark about some other aspect of the case, then they have to call him in their case-in-chief. Chef Boyardeez Nuts has issued a correction as of 04:54 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:It's spread to at least the British Commonwealth, with the Freemen on the Land being their equivalent to our SovCits. They've probably seen too much american media. One day it just clicks and they go "By george, there is no rule that a dog can't play basketball!" and all is lost.
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