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Ethiser
Dec 31, 2011

RIP Rocky you were too good for this world.

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JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Hokuto posted:

Keep going past where you found the bonfire and got the message. It confused me at first too, but just keep your eyes out.

I ended up restarting and you are correct, but I was not able to examine the fire at that spot because I had picked up the bonfire there and even after I put a new one down I was not able to examine it for a hint. Don't you love a game where you can pick up a large fire and put it in your pocket?

I finished the demo, but I wish that it was a big longer. I guess that's the sign of enjoyment.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

I've been using Lightning (level 8 sailor skill) and I'm wondering-- does it ever taper off? It's a free, hit all attack that's stronger than my iron ax, and it doesn't diminish in damage like a boomerang does. It just seems really really good right now.

Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

cloofish posted:

I've been using Lightning (level 8 sailor skill) and I'm wondering-- does it ever taper off? It's a free, hit all attack that's stronger than my iron ax, and it doesn't diminish in damage like a boomerang does. It just seems really really good right now.

It tapers off. If the enemy resists it, it's only doing 30 damage. Eventually they start getting way more HP too. It's useful for a good while, but you'll have to invest in new options as you progress.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Alxprit posted:

It tapers off. If the enemy resists it, it's only doing 30 damage. Eventually they start getting way more HP too. It's useful for a good while, but you'll have to invest in new options as you progress.

Oh ok thanks. I'm just glad I don't have to regret selling Ruff and the Hero's rangs. :shobon:

Bongo Bill
Jan 17, 2012

Offensive spells and abilities will either do fixed damage (give or take enemy resistances) or damage scaled to your basic weapon damage.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

cloofish posted:

Oh ok thanks. I'm just glad I don't have to regret selling Ruff and the Hero's rangs. :shobon:

Basically all magic and most skills have a set range of damage. Your regular attacks will start outdamaging it soonish though its great for clearing groups for no MP for the midgame.

Evil Fluffy
Jul 13, 2009

Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Dr. Fetus posted:

Did some looking into things, and it turns out tablet dungeons increase the drop rate of monster hearts to a whopping 1 in 8 chance (which is how high drop rates can go without being guaranteed) No idea what they are outside of them, other than being astronomically low. So yeah, go through tablet dungeons to get your hearts.

Also, you didn't have the tablet radar in the original version of the game? :catstare:

The original game was some next-level hell when it came to tablets and people scouring the world for fragments helped contribute to the 100+ hour timeframes people took to beat it.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Zore posted:

Basically all magic and most skills have a set range of damage. Your regular attacks will start outdamaging it soonish though its great for clearing groups for no MP for the midgame.

Gotcha. I've put way, way, way more time into Dragon Quest 8 than into the rest of the series combined (or hell, any other RPG) and the skill systems are pretty fundamentally different. Powerful, but only temporarily so, skills isn't something I'm used to!

Son of a Vondruke!
Aug 3, 2012

More than Star Citizen will ever be.

cloofish posted:

I've been using Lightning (level 8 sailor skill) and I'm wondering-- does it ever taper off? It's a free, hit all attack that's stronger than my iron ax, and it doesn't diminish in damage like a boomerang does. It just seems really really good right now.

It tapers off, but if you've got a Pirate or Paladin you learn Thin Air. It's like an upgraded wind element version of Lightning.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Son of a Vondruke! posted:

It tapers off, but if you've got a Pirate or Paladin you learn Thin Air. It's like an upgraded wind element version of Lightning.

Well I remember Thin Air from Dragon Quest 8 (broken record much?) and it was absolutely ridiculous, so I'm looking forward to more of that.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord

Nephzinho posted:

How much actual game is there? I don't need another sandbox game, but if this is going to be an avenue to play through/make essentially DQ7 island sized bites of content it might be a good time killer.

As far as the demo goes, you only get to do stuff on the starting island. The demo leads you through all of the basic building, crafting, and combat stuff, but it leaves a few exploration secrets you can find on your own.

It's definitely a multiple island deal, but I don't know about what needs building on those islands. I got the impression all the city building happens only on the starting island.

Some more gripes: The UI could be better. When making items, you either make one at a time or all of them (including the raw mats in all chests). There's no durability bar for your armor outside the menu, just your weapon, so if you get hit a lot, expect to lose your armor without any warning. I also haven't found a repair function, but at least you can carry up to five weapons equipped at a time.

Deki
May 12, 2008

It's Hammer Time!
In dq builders, has anyone managed to kill the dragon? I tried to tunnel to him and attack but it failed hilariously.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

cloofish posted:

Well I remember Thin Air from Dragon Quest 8 (broken record much?) and it was absolutely ridiculous, so I'm looking forward to more of that.

you can learn it permanently if you master the dingbat monster class

Looper
Mar 1, 2012
I wanna say Vacuum (Thin Air) in the original scaled with your level but I have no idea where I heard that. It was an extremely overpowered skill either way though, even if a rough boss was immune to it

Your Computer
Oct 3, 2008




Grimey Drawer
I'm looking at the DS remakes now and I love the art style! It reminds me a bit of Golden Sun (which I know gets a bad rep around SA) with it's watercolor-y and vibrant colors. I've played a little bit of several games now and liked all of them so I think I might actually just go through the games chronologically (unless there's a better order to play them in!) I can't believe how this series has gone so completely under the radar for me before now.


Oh hey, you got the avatar! :3:

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

Your Computer posted:

I'm looking at the DS remakes now and I love the art style! It reminds me a bit of Golden Sun (which I know gets a bad rep around SA) with it's watercolor-y and vibrant colors. I've played a little bit of several games now and liked all of them so I think I might actually just go through the games chronologically (unless there's a better order to play them in!) I can't believe how this series has gone so completely under the radar for me before now.

The best part about the DS remakes is that they have possibly the fastest battles in any RPG, ever.

e: And yeah just play them in release order. If anything, you gotta play the DS versions of IV, V, and VI, as well as the 3DS version of VII, but in general DQ remakes are really substantial and good.

ROFL Octopus fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Sep 30, 2016

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


I dunno, auto-battle x4 speed Bravely Default/Second battles are pretty fast

Last Celebration
Mar 30, 2010

Looper posted:

I wanna say Vacuum (Thin Air) in the original scaled with your level but I have no idea where I heard that. It was an extremely overpowered skill either way though, even if a rough boss was immune to it

I know it scales in 6, and its damage formula in 8 has the scaling part too, so yeah probably. It made more sense in 6 since Woosh is the most commonly resisted element and fights post-Alltrades were both sides making GBS threads out free overpowered skills, and 8 requires knowing that Fisticuffs is probably worth investing into on one guy just for Thin Air since even Yangus can shrug off 2 MP.

Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever

Looper posted:

I wanna say Vacuum (Thin Air) in the original scaled with your level but I have no idea where I heard that. It was an extremely overpowered skill either way though, even if a rough boss was immune to it

Ha, I went through DW7 back in the day just spamming Vacuum on everything and got roadblocked HARD by that boss.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
Kiefer is a jerk and an irresponsible person. :argh:

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Kiefer has the most believable story arc.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


kiefer is the true player surrogate

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Kiefer is weirdly huge.

Moriveth
Jul 24, 2004

I'm sorry, I have to take this call.

Zore posted:

Kiefer is weirdly huge.

His head is approximately the size of the main character.

JustJeff88
Jan 15, 2008

I AM
CONSISTENTLY
ANNOYING
...
JUST TERRIBLE


THIS BADGE OF SHAME IS WORTH 0.45 DOUBLE DRAGON ADVANCES

:dogout:
of SA-Mart forever

Moriveth posted:

His head is approximately the size of the main character.

He's a big man in this community... and probably most other communities as well.

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.
I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

Allarion
May 16, 2009

がんばルビ!

Dr. Fetus posted:

I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

:getin:

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
lol

Terper
Jun 26, 2012


kek

Also, I'm sorry

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Dr. Fetus posted:

I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

this never gets old

Looper
Mar 1, 2012

Dr. Fetus posted:

Kiefer is a jerk and an irresponsible person. :argh:

"I'm not the sort of person to steal another man's woman!"
dude that's exactly what you're doing
"I just really want some kind of destiny of my own..."
dude we are literally saving the world one island at a time she's not even that hot

Good riddance

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Dr. Fetus posted:

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:
Every time :allears:

Supremezero
Apr 28, 2013

hay gurl

Dr. Fetus posted:

I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

Eeeeeexcellent.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
but anyway, once you get past the hump your initial vocations don't matter much at all. they are quick to master, so you won't stay in any basic human class for very long.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things
Dancer's also good early for 0MP full party healing and buffs/debuffs. They fall off pretty hard later so grab em while they're still useful.

Sailor and Thief also have some really good abilities that shine in the midgame, and the capstone nuke for Mage will be your best source of damage for a long, long time (also it costs 4 MP which is spammable by anyone.)

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

Dr. Fetus posted:

I spent way more time on the matching game in the casino than I meant to. Anyways, I got to Alltrades Abbey and I was wondering what would be some good starting vocations for my party? I was thinking Warrior for the hero, Mage for Maribel. Not sure on what Ruff should be.

EDIT: WHAT THE gently caress!? :argh:

This is so much funnier once you see it happen to other people.

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
Give wolf boy some heals and then march him down the physical classes, I say. He's by far the fastest on your team.

e: why was everyone surprised by this? Nearly every person on that entire island was saying 'Wow isn't it weird that nobody who goes to the Abbey to change jobs is ever seen again?'

YggiDee fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 30, 2016

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

YggiDee posted:

Give wolf boy some heals and then march him down the physical classes, I say. He's by far the fastest on your team.

You get a Healslime Heart right after Alltrades thats perfect for him. Multiheal is great to be able to spam in any class.

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Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

YggiDee posted:

Give wolf boy some heals and then march him down the physical classes, I say. He's by far the fastest on your team.

e: why was everyone surprised by this? Nearly every person on that entire island was saying 'Wow isn't it weird that nobody who goes to the Abbey to change jobs is ever seen again?'

Look, they let me save my game and everything. How was I supposed to know monsters would go that far to achieve their evil plans? (I actually didn't talk to too many NPCs there.)

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