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Randler posted:Möglichkeiten sind Möglichkeiten. Eine Verstaatlichung sozialisiert erstmal einmal garantiert das ranzige Zeug in der Deutschen, während die ominösen Spekulationsgewinne nur eine vage Hoffnung sind. might as well not etc etc das ranzige zeug wird bei einer verstaatlichung nicht automatisch 1 zu 1 auf die steuerzahler umgeschlagen, anders als beim bailout. das gute an einer verstaatlichung ist ja, dass man beispielsweise ganz gezielt die investitionsgüter retten kann, die für rentenfonds etc. relevant sind. nochmal: die alternative ist nicht "verstaatlichung oder nix", weil ohne verstaatlichung so wie's momentan aussieht ein bailout ansteht in der moderaten zukunft. und da kannst du dann 100% davon ausgehen dass die verluste auf die gesellschaft umgeschlagen werden.
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die wirtschaftswoche beweint das schicksal der deutschen bank:quote:Nein, was hier passiert hat mit Verstand nichts mehr zu tun. Es ist eine Bande von Geiern, die ein waidwundes Opfer gefunden hat und nicht mehr davon ablässt. http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen/banken/deutsche-bank-unter-geiern/14627350.html poor little deutsche bank 
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wenn ich an "bande von geiern" und "deutsche bank" in einem satz denke kommt mir ein anderer zusammenhang in den sinn ps wiwo is poo poo, ft for lyfe
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Ich lese Handelsblatt, weil das steuerlich abzugsfähig ist.
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Randler posted:Ich lese Handelsblatt, weil das steuerlich abzugsfähig ist.
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frankenfreak posted:I lese Bild, weil ich da eine ganze Menge spare verglichen mit dem, was ich für SZ, Welt oder FAZ zahlen würde. Macht den Verlust an Hirnzellen nicht wett mMn.
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botany posted:die wirtschaftswoche beweint das schicksal der deutschen bank: Pouring out a Bembelsche for my homies in Mainhattan
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frankenfreak posted:I lese Bild, weil ich da eine ganze Menge spare verglichen mit dem, was ich für SZ, Welt oder FAZ zahlen würde. You do know that they're actually selling purpose-made toilet paper these days?
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frankenfreak posted:I lese Bild, *insane Death Metal growling*
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Wow, he triggered the thread good.
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frankenfreak posted:I lese Bild, weil ich da eine ganze Menge spare verglichen mit dem, was ich für SZ, Welt oder FAZ zahlen würde. Besser als Bild als SZ, da bin ich d'accord.
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Ich lese die großen Infoscreens an den Wänden, während ich auf die U-Bahn warte. Da sind ganz viele wichtige Informationen, meteorologische Daten und auch manchmal so tolle Comics zu sehen. Und zahlen muss man nix. 
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I'm sitting in the Flixbus toward Berlin rn and the driver just took the mic and started telling us how everything turned to poo poo since Flixbus bought out her company and how she can't wait to quit, wow
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System Metternich posted:I'm sitting in the Flixbus toward Berlin rn and the driver just took the mic and started telling us how everything turned to poo poo since Flixbus bought out her company and how she can't wait to quit, wow Tell her that Deutsche Bahn has decided to stop competing with their own long-distance coaches, so Flixbus now has even less incentive to treat her well.
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System Metternich posted:I'm sitting in the Flixbus toward Berlin rn and the driver just took the mic and started telling us how everything turned to poo poo since Flixbus bought out her company and how she can't wait to quit, wow Why are people using services like Flixbus anyway? Trains are a lot faster and much more comfortable.
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GaussianCopula posted:Why are people using services like Flixbus anyway? Trains are a lot faster and much more comfortable. Innerhalb Deutschlands würde ich dem zustimmen. Aber wenn Du nach für vergleichsweise wenig Geld nach Osteuropa willst, scheinen Fernbusse eine Alternative zu sein. Hier am Busbahnhof scheinen die jedenfalls immer gut ausgelastet zu sein.
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GaussianCopula posted:Why are people using services like Flixbus anyway? Trains are a lot faster and much more comfortable. Busses are cheap as gently caress. 18 EUR for Hamburg-Hannover and back for a bus versus 46,00 EUR for a train. They do make DB look like the epitome of punctuality by comparison, though.
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GaussianCopula posted:Why are people using services like Flixbus anyway? Trains are a lot faster and much more comfortable. Price, mostly. If I want to make the trip from Schleswig-Holstein down to Niedersachsen to visit family, that'd cost me some 50€ by train, perhaps 40€ if I stick to only Nahverkehr. The bus, meanwhile, clocks in at literally  , and on that particular route there's barely even much of a time difference. For poors like myself that's a pretty significant difference.And I wouldn't even say it's meaningfully less comfortable than a train. On the bus you're guaranteed to get a seat (not something you can be sure of in a train during peak times), usually have an electrical outlet at your seat, and free wifi. The external luggage compartment to stow your heavy poo poo before actually entering the bus is pretty handy as well.
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Rip you if you live in a military base town and try to take a train anywhere on a friday. Double rip you if you are military and travel with all them bags. Flensburg-Hamburg bimmelbahn I'm looking at you.
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GaussianCopula posted:Why are people using services like Flixbus anyway? Trains are a lot faster and much more comfortable. Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, ändert trotzdem nichts daran dass ich bei Flixbus für die Rundfahrt Augsburg-Berlin-Wien-Augsburg insgesamt bloß c.a. 80€ zahlen muss. Mit der Bahn hätte mich jede einzelne dieser Verbindungen mehr gekostet, das Geld hab ich schlicht und ergreifend nicht. Wobei ich von den 8 Tagen die ich unterwegs bin gute 30h im Bus verbringen darf, rip me
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System Metternich posted:Dein Wort in Gottes Ohr, ändert trotzdem nichts daran dass ich bei Flixbus für die Rundfahrt Augsburg-Berlin-Wien-Augsburg insgesamt bloß c.a. 80€ zahlen muss. Mit der Bahn hätte mich jede einzelne dieser Verbindungen mehr gekostet, das Geld hab ich schlicht und ergreifend nicht. ja, rip
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Flixbus is complete and utter garbage service-wise, which is why I now bite into the saurer Apfel and pay for trains. The three times I took one devolved into total shitstorms, every time worse than the last.
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flixbus have been operating at a deficit for years now, and will continue to do so until they have achieved a monopoly, at which point the prices will go up to sustainable levels. so enjoy your cheap bus travels while you can, it won't last.Schurik posted:Flixbus is complete and utter garbage service-wise, which is why I now bite into the saurer Apfel and pay for trains. The three times I took one devolved into total shitstorms, every time worse than the last. i struggle to think how they could be worse than deutsche bahn, service-wise.
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botany posted:i struggle to think how they could be worse than deutsche bahn, service-wise. - trains offer more space - trains run on time (most of the time/compared to busses) - trains don't make 8h detours because they forgot to pick someone up - the interaction with personal on trains is minimal
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i like trains more becaise of my autism
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lol @ "trains run on time" in Deutsche Bahn country When I was doing my Master's in Prague, I always travelled with bus to and fro (Regensburg, if someone cares), because the bus cost 23 bux, always was on time, comfy, outlets, only the Wifi was poo poo but that was easily explained with "Czech countryside". Meanwhile, I would have had to pay 42€ for the super special weekend ticket Regensburg-Prague, gently caress yeah! I did switch to trains later because someone gave me the hot tip to buy the tickets from the Czech website instead. Turns out that České dráhy offers the exact same connection for 14€. Going to and coming from Regensburg. I still missed the bus, I like the more personal feel. Also the bus was never so late that I arrived in Prague after the last Metro had already left, so I had to take a cab without speaking a word of Czech, that was fun. And costly.
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botany posted:flixbus have been operating at a deficit for years now, and will continue to do so until they have achieved a monopoly, at which point the prices will go up to sustainable levels. so enjoy your cheap bus travels while you can, it won't last. deutsche bahn doesn't require service, it requires a smartphone and an app
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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The Bahn pricing scheme is a turducken of travesty, though Like, for example, if you want to travel between two cities in Bavaria you can either ... a) Buy a regular ticket for something like 35EUR, valid for this one trip only b) Buy a Bayernticket for ~20EUR, have it be valid for as many trips as you want inside of Bayern(and parts of Austria), use any type of public transport for free and it's valid for either an entire workday day or the whole weekend + holidays. c) Share the Bayernticket with 4 other people and pay only something like 6EUR for all of the above Seriously, what is this infinite retardation and who came up with it? Even if you can't get together 5 people, I've never been in a situation were you are not able to spontaneously find 4 other willing travelers waiting at the ticket machines and looking for Bayernticket partners too. A couple of years ago you used to be able to get from Munich to freaking Würzburg for 4.20EUR. FOUR EURO ZWANZISCH! The icing on the cake is that the RE takes only something like 10min longer for this trip than the ICE, which is orders of magnitude more expensive. I think they are upgrading the Munich-Nuremberg track now though, so at least the ICE will be able to travel at speeds higher than 80km/h in the future 
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https://twitter.com/spdde/status/782165662357659648
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What.
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ugggghhh
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what does that even mean
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beefsteak socialists are so 1930s, currywurst socialists are modernity.
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loving Markov bots getting better and better every day
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Deutsche Bahn should be completely re nationalized and ticket prices subsidized. Same with telecommunication. Water. Healthcare. Why do we need dozens of Krankenkassen which all basically do the same thing? And don't get me started on the gesetzliche Rente. First crippling it beyond repair and then saying the free market does it better (which it clearly doesn't) is a goddamn travesty.
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bronin posted:Deutsche Bahn should be completely re nationalized and ticket prices subsidized. Same with telecommunication. Water. Healthcare. Why do we need dozens of Krankenkassen which all basically do the same thing? Randler would probably rotate in his grave if he knew this, but I'm voting Marxist-Leninist in the next federal election. I'm old and grumpy enough now to be a Protestwähler so I'm gonna protest. Hope the GroKo gets a Herzkasper when they see who I voted for and repent their evil liberal ways 
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botany posted:what does that even mean  "I don't hate it? Though I mean it IS my party so
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az posted:Rip you if you live in a military base town and try to take a train anywhere on a friday. Double rip you if you are military and travel with all them bags. Flensburg-Hamburg bimmelbahn I'm looking at you. We still have those?
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Ich bin mir sicher es ist nur gute alte Dada Kunst.
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