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boner confessor posted:lol that he's namedropping probable narcissist macarthur and controversial patton instead of, you know, eisenhower, who became president macarthur and patton were totalitarian glory hounds willing to kill their own men to give themselves glory are you surprised?
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boner confessor posted:lol that he's namedropping probable narcissist macarthur and controversial patton instead of, you know, eisenhower, who became president Eisenhower sent the army into Little Rock. Not a popular action among Trump's base.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:macarthur and patton were totalitarian glory hounds willing to kill their own men to give themselves glory personally i dont even think it goes that deep, macarthur and patton would be the names you remember if your understanding of ww2 comes from vaguely paying attention to the history channel also patton was a glory hound but he was pretty sympathetic to his soldiers pain and suffering, except if you were shell shocked of course. patton was a bastard but he had human emotions at least. macarthur was a total narcissist piece of poo poo tho
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Mel Mudkiper posted:macarthur and patton were totalitarian glory hounds willing to kill their own men to give themselves glory Didn't Patton also go 'Man I wish we hadn't gotten to these concentration camps when we did, would've been good to let the Nazis work longer'?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:macarthur and patton were totalitarian glory hounds willing to kill their own men to give themselves glory Also, Patton was a massive anti-Semite who really didn't have a problem with the Nazis other than his orders telling him to kill them.
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Pakled posted:Eisenhower sent the army into Little Rock. Not a popular action among Trump's base. One of the great moments in American history was dropping paratroopers on some racist loving cops
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Oct 3, 2016 21:06
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Night10194 posted:Didn't Patton also go 'Man I wish we hadn't gotten to these concentration camps when we did, would've been good to let the Nazis work longer'? He put former Nazis in charge of the "refugee camps" that liberated Jews were forced in to.
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At the risk of sounding uninformed, isn't conventional wisdom that MacArthur was nuts and not a very good tactician?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:macarthur and patton were totalitarian glory hounds willing to kill their own men to give themselves glory patton at least knew the value of tanks in war and how to maneuver them, but yeah he's a totalitarian glory hound macarthur and halsey are the two totally unredeemable dick whistle commanders for the US in that era
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A Winner is Jew posted:patton at least knew the value of tanks in war and how to maneuver them, but yeah he's a totalitarian glory hound "Where is Halsey the world wonders." "Well I guess I better take longer out of spite." Though at least Halsey put Spruance in charge.
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Oct 3, 2016 21:07
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Didn't MacArthur have a corncob pipe?
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TheBigAristotle posted:At the risk of sounding uninformed, isn't conventional wisdom that MacArthur was nuts and not a very good tactician? macarthur was kind of nuts and, probably, was a narcissist. like for real he was an ok general but by the time the korean war came around he had lost his touch and was too busy playing god emperor of japan to actually pay attention to that war, which he hosed up badly. macarthur was a much better administrator than he was general
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Pakled posted:Eisenhower sent the army into Little Rock. Not a popular action among Trump's base. Don't forget that he defeated Taft for the nomination. He was definitely more moderate than other options.
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Aerox posted:It's not stopping. This is pages back, but this is an incredibly weak attack on Trump, and one I wouldn't even bother with really. First, Trump is not the one buying the steel or aluminum on his jobs, he is probably 4 tiers away from that purchase. Second, it's actually kind of rare for jobs to require domestic only material. I buy lots of import material for hospitals, schools, commercial buildings, etc. Jobs that require domestic only materials do so because they have to, government projects, or ones that get lots of government money, or some places that just want domestic material due to quality concerns. Third, the numbers this guy uses are wild guesses and nowhere accurate. quote:Trump purchased the aluminum used in the Chicago project for what is called the “curtain wall”—the glass and metal exterior designed to save energy. The wall is made with 11,500 panels of thermal pane glass encased in aluminum. Each of the panels is 6 feet, 3 inches, meaning they used 207,000 feet of aluminum; the precise amount of tonnage could not be determined. However, assuming an admittedly light weight of a pound per foot, American companies lost out on more than $350 million in sales. Someone else pointed this out, but 207,000 feet of aluminum means nothing. Square feet, linear feet, thickness, who knows? There is also no way that the aluminum for the curtainwall on Trump Tower in Chicago cost $350 million, zero chance. Wikipedia tells me the building cost $847 million, so he's saying that 41% of the building cost was in aluminum alone, not even the install. You should probably divide that number by 20. Not that say $18 million is a small number, but he needs to at least make realistic assumptions. He also criticizes him for using concrete for some reason, when Trump has almost no input into that design decision, that is being made by the architect and structural engineer. Now, Trump could require domestic material, and could directly oversee where things are purchased from, but that is a level of detail that is pretty rare for an owner. I just feel that Trump has so much better things to get him on, that these kind of weak claims aren't really worth it.
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A Winner is Jew posted:macarthur and halsey are the two totally unredeemable dick whistle commanders for the US in that era Ramius was right?
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I thinknthe craziest thing to kenis that all the momentum is still just off the debate and the Machado issue. This week's shitshow hasn't even hit the polls yet. I'm not sure what's better, more news hitting at once so the constant refrain is "TRUMP IS poo poo YOU MORONS" or if we would have been better off if it were to trickle to the voters.
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halsey is on the idiot list for sailing his fleet into a typhoon and getting 800 sailors killed
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Remember a week ago when we were certain that the debate would be meaningless and that Trump would "win" it anyway?
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Goatman Sacks posted:I really want a debate moderator to ask him straight up "does your secret ISIS plan involve nuclear weapons?" "You've got to leave your options open."
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cant cook creole bream posted:Remember a week ago when we were certain that the debate would be meaningless and that Trump would "win" it anyway? no
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar Halsey got very lucky that his subordinates were very ballsy and competent and that the Japanese commander hosed up hard. Otherwise the US would have lost 10,000 - 15,000 men and the invasion of the Philippines would have been much more difficult.
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boner confessor posted:halsey is on the idiot list for sailing his fleet into a typhoon and getting 800 sailors killed he was also extraordinarily lucky until that point, with like 50% of that luck coming from how stupidly good US damage control teams were, and another 40% of that luck being how good his subordinates were
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i forgot he actually sailed his fleet into a typhoon twice
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cant cook creole bream posted:Remember a week ago when we were certain that the debate would be meaningless and that Trump would "win" it anyway? Even with this windfall of poo poo hitting the fan I'm still not entirely convinced he won't "win" the next two debates for the comeback narrative. Also the third debate is going to be on friendly territory.
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Feldegast42 posted:Even with this windfall of poo poo hitting the fan I'm still not entirely convinced he won't "win" the next two debates for the comeback narrative. I dunno, expectations were absolute bottom and he still slammed face-first into that low bar. Also he's gonna go into the next one mad.
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Feldegast42 posted:Even with this windfall of poo poo hitting the fan I'm still not entirely convinced he won't "win" the next two debates for the comeback narrative. Second verse, same as the first. Trump couldn't keep himself composed for 90 minutes in a normal debate setting, how the hell is he going to do it in a Town Hall setting?
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boner confessor posted:i forgot he actually sailed his fleet into a typhoon twice first one was practice
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I say, two weeks, the mob allegations pop up.
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boner confessor posted:halsey is on the idiot list for sailing his fleet into a typhoon and getting 800 sailors killed Oh good, I can't wait for more of your insightful analysis into military history.
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In terms of 538's model, shouldn't whichever candidate is leading continue to widen their chances as it gets closer to election day. Given that there are less and less chances for major shakeups to shift the likely outcome of the election? Or is it really "anything can happen."
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Bird in a Blender posted:This is pages back, but this is an incredibly weak attack on Trump, and one I wouldn't even bother with really. First, Trump is not the one buying the steel or aluminum on his jobs, he is probably 4 tiers away from that purchase. Second, it's actually kind of rare for jobs to require domestic only material. I buy lots of import material for hospitals, schools, commercial buildings, etc. Jobs that require domestic only materials do so because they have to, government projects, or ones that get lots of government money, or some places that just want domestic material due to quality concerns. It's only even an attack because he constantly decries the outsources of US jobs to China. If it weren't one of his top 5 talking points it wouldn't be a story at all.
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Feldegast42 posted:Even with this windfall of poo poo hitting the fan I'm still not entirely convinced he won't "win" the next two debates for the comeback narrative. How anyone can say that Trump is capable of "winning" a debate after that first performance is beyond me. And I understand that the bar is even lower for him now. I still expect him to limbo under it. He's incapable of staying in control when Hillary attacks/baits him.
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Feldegast42 posted:Even with this windfall of poo poo hitting the fan I'm still not entirely convinced he won't "win" the next two debates for the comeback narrative. Of all the debate moderators Anderson Cooper is the one I'd imagine gives the least fucks about Trump or his followers, even ignoring the whole "these people would make being gay a crime" thing which obviously isn't something Cooper's going to be ok with either.
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Dork457 posted:In terms of 538's model, shouldn't whichever candidate is leading continue to widen their chances as it gets closer to election day. Given that there are less and less chances for major shakeups to shift the likely outcome of the election? Or is it really "anything can happen." It seems like they take the current polls, apply a "what if things shifted +/- x%", and then spit up a new map. So time till election really doesn't matter at all.
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Man, I'm about a thousand posts behind. Anything exciting happen after the NYT Trump tax leak happened?
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Dork457 posted:In terms of 538's model, shouldn't whichever candidate is leading continue to widen their chances as it gets closer to election day. Given that there are less and less chances for major shakeups to shift the likely outcome of the election? Or is it really "anything can happen." This is what the Nowcast is for, so you can see how it would play out if the election were held tomorrow.
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computer parts posted:It seems like they take the current polls, apply a "what if things shifted +/- x%", and then spit up a new map. Isn't this just how the nowcast works? Kit Walker posted:Man, I'm about a thousand posts behind. Anything exciting happen after the NYT Trump tax leak happened? Yes. Edit: Okay I don't want to be an rear end. Trump foundation got a cease and desist, Trumps military tactic amounts to surprise attacks on civilians and stealing a countries resources.
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