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Centralized training would be good too, and higher standards. In Denmark and other Nordic countries, becoming a police officer is a 3 year college degree.
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I definitely think SWAT teams should be federalized and not left up to whatever local joker got some terrorism funding. And also not used for serving loving drug warrants.
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IRQ posted:I think it would help to drill deeper down into why all this is a problem in the first place. There's way, way too many people who still buy lines of bullshit like Trump's "Law and Order" and stop and frisk. Colbert did a great bit years ago about how the NYPD was stopping more black people than even live in the city. Yeah I think this is a big part of the problem. It's all well and good to demand police accountability, but the fundamental problem is the number of people who are totally fine with the constant targeting of minorities and the poor. I mean look at the amount of push back Black Lives Matter has had from the media - the fact that a message like "Police should stop murdering black people" is controversial AT ALL is indicative of a serious cultural problem that goes beyond just bad law enforcement.
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A lot of it comes down to Americans attitude towards criminals where it's not about reform, it's about punishment. A lot of people are gleeful about prison rape.
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Oct 3, 2016 23:24
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I just want to say that the short Wells Fargo sketch ruled.
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Oct 4, 2016 00:51
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It's crazy to me that police reform is a local government issue. Surely it would sit best at state level. It allows for for some nuance and customisation depending on state laws, demographics, political climate etc. but isn't just a bunch of cowboys doing whatever they want.
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Looten Plunder posted:It's crazy to me that police reform is a local government issue. Surely it would sit best at state level. It allows for for some nuance and customisation depending on state laws, demographics, political climate etc. but isn't just a bunch of cowboys doing whatever they want. Even eligibility is completely random around here. Texas you need like a GED and a driver's license. Minnesota needs a 2 or 4 year degree (in anything) followed by a peace officer training program followed by a state board certification exam. Some sort of Federal education baseline would probably help the problem too.
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Looten Plunder posted:It's crazy to me that police reform is a local government issue. Surely it would sit best at state level. It allows for for some nuance and customisation depending on state laws, demographics, political climate etc. but isn't just a bunch of cowboys doing whatever they want. Honestly, ignoring the wider cultural issue regarding punishment vs. rehabilitation, and the race issues, I feel like what probably needs to be done is some kind of hybrid federal/state level system, where basic policing standards are set at the national level, including stuff like hiring/screening practices, training curriculum, etc. to deal with the issue of bad cops just hopping from one department to the next until they find one with lax enough standards to hire them again. Then the more specific details of enforcement could be handled at the state and local level, while also allowing for some kind of national tracking system so that the government can actually get the data they need about police effectiveness, and more importantly allowing that data to be shared with any other police department in the country. Part of the reason the issue is so contentious is because the system is so compartmentalized - a lot of people probably feel like there isn't an issue because their local police are probably fine, maybe even great, and they don't realize how much it can vary between two departments even within the same city.
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Demiurge4 posted:A lot of it comes down to Americans attitude towards criminals where it's not about reform, it's about punishment. A lot of people are gleeful about prison rape. Pretty much this, yes. It's still a totally acceptable punchline whereas pretty much everyone agrees that non prison rape is not. It's really hosed up.
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Aces High posted:a federally run police force is not really that great, you guys have to look no further than Canada's RCMP. Ask anyone who is even remotely first nations up here about their opinion of them, better yet ask any women that are first nation how they feel about the RCMP. I had a fascinating discussion with a dude the other day who told me how he'd spent "years working on helping the rezzes" and how "everything looks pretty good around where I live" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Island , when I asked him about how the native population was treated, and how the RCMP act. I guess I got told
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Azhais posted:Even eligibility is completely random around here. Texas you need like a GED and a driver's license. Minnesota needs a 2 or 4 year degree (in anything) followed by a peace officer training program followed by a state board certification exam. Then you have the elected position of Sheriff which definitely shouldn't be a political choice considering their broad powers.
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muscles like this? posted:Then you have the elected position of Sheriff which definitely shouldn't be a political choice considering their broad powers. Look up the history of coroners in America, up to and including today.
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coyo7e posted:I had a fascinating discussion with a dude the other day who told me how he'd spent "years working on helping the rezzes" and how "everything looks pretty good around where I live" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Island , when I asked him about how the native population was treated, and how the RCMP act. See this kind of thing is what we should be doing across the country, though. I'm not being all ftp towards the RCMP I'm just pointing out that in Canada we effectively have a similar issue as in the US when it comes to accountability, due process, etc. Again I totally agree that "not all RCMP" are racist but hey I'm sure not all Flint cops hate black people either. Institutionalized racism, heck they portrayed that pretty well in The Wire even among the black officers
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Echo Chamber posted:I just want to say that the short Wells Fargo sketch ruled. I'm betting that the Wells Fargo CEO is being offered up as the sacrificial goat for the Hillary campaign while the rest of the bankers who robbed the country enjoy impunity. Furthermore, the Wells Fargo CEO will suffer only light punishment.
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Jamesman posted:Haven't watched the full episode yet, but I watched the main story on YouTube. I think the concept of "accountability" is a necessary first step for many people, because there are so many people whose knee-jerk reaction to any police criticism is the same "don't judge by a few bad apples" or #NotAllCops, just like the assholes he featured in that segment who are paid to be on TV to talk about this poo poo. These are also the people who actually believe BLM is somehow a "racist hate group" that hates cops just 'cause and despite almost everyone involved saying "we just want some accountability" can't grasp the idea of a bad cop despite the many cases documented on video or in print, or even that the "bad / dirty cop" has been an American TV / movie trope for decades, because they personally have never had a bad experience, and this is a just world and the people who are supposed to protect us would never do us harm. And if there is evidence that just can't be denied, they can just "no true scotsman" those cases away and remain blissfully and willfully ignorant. So, it's important to show this, which demonstrates that the system is hosed up on the most basic level, with "gypsy cops" and whistleblowers being harassed and retaliated against, and the police union having free reign to muscle its way into doing whatever it wants and being beholden to no one. raditts fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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raditts posted:I think the concept of "accountability" is a necessary first step for many people, because there are so many people whose knee-jerk reaction to any police criticism is the same "don't judge by a few bad apples" or #NotAllCops, just like the assholes he featured in that segment who are paid to be on TV to talk about this poo poo. These are also the people who actually believe BLM is somehow a "racist hate group" that hates cops just 'cause and despite almost everyone involved saying "we just want some accountability" can't grasp the idea of a bad cop despite the many cases documented on video or in print, or even that the "bad / dirty cop" has been an American TV / movie trope for decades, because they personally have never had a bad experience, and this is a just world and the people who are supposed to protect us would never do us harm. And if there is evidence that just can't be denied, they can just "no true scotsman" those cases away and remain blissfully and willfully ignorant. The thing is talking about accountability only resonates if you already know and believe that there are police committing wrong doings. When you don't believe these "bad apples" exist in the first place, talking about why and how they should be accountable is moot, which is why I felt like this piece should have been a follow-up piece after doing a story on the systemic racism in law enforcement first that highlights why there need to be accountability. But as long as they hopefully do a story on that in the near future, that would be good.
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm really wondering about how local elections are going to go this year, because that's the level at which these things are controlled. Getting a federal crackdown on police departments across the country will be a nightmare to get through congress's bureaucracy and partisan rhetoric, and it's local elections where ordinary citizens can really encourage changes. I really do think that this is a case of an (indeterminate) amount of bad apples, but it's not bad individual officers, it's bad entire departments. I think the federal election matters more in this case, because of the yahoos Trump has indicated he wants to put on the bench Nothing will matter on the local level if we got SCOTUS declaring that debt bondage is constitutional and police homicides are always justified
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Rated PG-34 posted:I'm betting that the Wells Fargo CEO is being offered up as the sacrificial goat for the Hillary campaign while the rest of the bankers who robbed the country enjoy impunity. Furthermore, the Wells Fargo CEO will suffer only light punishment. He won't be able to visit the Bohemian Grove for a month. The horror, the horror...
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John Oliver was angrier than usual, for good reason. Also, gently caress Billy Bush.
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Echo Chamber posted:John Oliver was angrier than usual, for good reason. You could actually see his non-gesturing hand shaking with rage.
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That delivery was great: "Look, I can make fun of Kadyrov all I want. Until... he murders me." Perfectly matter of fact.
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It's was a good segment theme the entire night. It's not hard to connect the dots from Trump through Gitmo to a Kadyrov like regime.
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Haha, Billy Bush got suspended for being a "hug pimp". I don't see how anybody could watch that montage and not want to do SOMETHING.
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As a non-american following the election race mostly from watching Last Week Tonight, I was very amused to find out that Trump has a personal sleazy media sycophant. I mean, I was already aware of the pussy-grabbing tape, but I thought he was just talking to some random guy who just decided Trump was worth five of his minutes.
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Rexides posted:As a non-american following the election race mostly from watching Last Week Tonight, I was very amused to find out that Trump has a personal sleazy media sycophant. I mean, I was already aware of the pussy-grabbing tape, but I thought he was just talking to some random guy who just decided Trump was worth five of his minutes. Also in case you are wondering, Yes, he is the cousin of W and Jeb. The same Jeb who was thoroughly trashed by Trump and didn't manage to find any oppo on him. That whole family is so awful.
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cant cook creole bream posted:That whole family is so awful. I'm a distant cousin. Through the Pierce family, related to Barbra Bush (Pierce was her maiden name). I'm not sure, but being related to America's alcoholic president seems somehow better than being a Bush.
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Am I the only one who never heard about this Billy Bush douchebag until this story came out?
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Mr Interweb posted:Am I the only one who never heard about this Billy Bush douchebag until this story came out? Probably. I think Dubya's daughter, Jenna Bush Hager, is still on the Today Show too, she reads all her segments like she's reciting a high school book report. No idea when that show became a repository for discarded Bushes.
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Both Trevor and Sam are hitting it out of the park tonight,. Kinda annoying Colbert isn't new tonight.
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Mr Interweb posted:Am I the only one who never heard about this Billy Bush douchebag until this story came out? I'd never heard of him either, of course, I don't watch trash like access hollywood.
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IRQ posted:I'd never heard of him either, of course, I don't watch trash like access hollywood. Didn't you watch The Soup when that was still on? I thought you were one of like the 5 people aside from me that did.
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raditts posted:Didn't you watch The Soup when that was still on? I thought you were one of like the 5 people aside from me that did. Nope, only ever seen clips of it in passing.
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raditts posted:Didn't you watch The Soup when that was still on? I thought you were one of like the 5 people aside from me that did. I watched the Soup. I miss it. And it is where I'd heard the name Billy Bush before, oddly enough.
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Scorchy posted:Next week: "Look up there, way up. Way past Jupiter. That's where we were last week." This is a picture of the milky way, we are now on the other side of this.
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sbaldrick posted:This is a picture of the milky way, we are now on the other side of this. We are officially in the Upside Down.
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tarlibone posted:I watched the Soup. I miss it. God, just imagine what they could have done with a reality star and a tabloid telejournalist getting creepy.
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raditts posted:Didn't you watch The Soup when that was still on? I thought you were one of like the 5 people aside from me that did. I watched Talk Soup, but back when it had that dude from...Community, I think?
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I had no Idea who Billy Bush was, but it stands to reason that the people in the Bush family would end up in mind-bogglingly high roles despite displaying absolutely no skills, intelligence, or charisma.Scorchy posted:Next week: "Look up there, way up. Way past Jupiter. That's where we were last week."
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coyo7e posted:I had no Idea who Billy Bush was, but it stands to reason that the people in the Bush family would end up in mind-bogglingly high roles despite displaying absolutely no skills, intelligence, or charisma. Well, as far as Geraldo is concerned, it was the right thing to do... and the tasty way to do it.
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