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Chris de Sperg posted:you're all wrong, ezreal should be going sheen -> revolver -> hextech gunblade -> lich bane dont post the secret corki build please
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Try Force EZ is way better than frozen fist right now and if you dont already know that idk what to say.
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Oct 4, 2016 02:58
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Libertine posted:2) Ezreal As a c9 fan I was very happy to see Sneaky take the TF. It paid off well too with him being top damage in the game.
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Oct 4, 2016 02:58
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Libertine posted:Rylai's is obviously one of the strongest items in the game. In response to that fact, allow me to play Orianna, a champion who has literally zero synergy with the item, and requires a build from two seasons ago that has been made vastly less economical in order to function, and then I will lose the game. Orianna has big ratios and getting the Not Items That Increase Your Ratios is a bad idea on a champion who lives or dies on deleting an AoE of dudes with huge damage mid-lategame, on top of being a champion that already has a strong AoE slow on a 7 second cooldown
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Oct 4, 2016 02:58
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Lets give in to suffering and build essence reaver / ie ez already
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Oct 4, 2016 03:04
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How Rude posted:Orianna has big ratios and getting the Not Items That Increase Your Ratios is a bad idea on a champion who lives or dies on deleting an AoE of dudes with huge damage mid-lategame, on top of being a champion that already has a strong AoE slow on a 7 second cooldown My post wasn't arguing with you, my post was why would you pick a champion that needs Deathcap to be successful.
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Oct 4, 2016 03:06
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Libertine posted:1) Karma I've been similarly unimpressed. I think the expectation is that you use her to smash bot lane and then transition into something like Janna after laning phase is over, but that seems like a losing proposition unless you really shut out the enemy duo. If all you're building is a Locket and Ruby, your Mantra E's are going to be piss at actually keeping a critical target alive (which is one of Karma's few strongly scaling additions to a team). I may well just be missing something about the team comps they're running where it isn't a big deal, but I haven't been especially impressed with any of the Karmas in the games I've watched (in comparison to, say, Alistar, who's carried a few games now).
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Oct 4, 2016 03:08
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Work Friend Keven posted:Try Force EZ is way better than frozen fist right now and if you dont already know that idk what to say.
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Oct 4, 2016 03:10
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i remember when mouse was 1/6/0 on top lane irelia and built three damage items, but ~plat players~ wouldnt understand this pro level itemization
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Oct 4, 2016 03:13
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rabidsquid posted:dont post the secret corki build please
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Oct 4, 2016 03:30
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If we get to see some older junglers come in that would own. Gimme some Diana and Evelyn and Fiddlesticks and Ammumu and Nautilus and goofball poo poo like Twitch awwww yeah. Also bring back Diamondprox and jungle Nasus TIA
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Oct 4, 2016 03:34
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Eve is getting popular in Korea again but Lee Sin beats the absolute poo poo out of her so she's not very likely to end up played unless we're in the territory of 5+ jungle bans edit: unless EDG busts it out because they apparently do not care about what either team is trying to do
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Oct 4, 2016 03:36
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I'm pretty on the fence between Triforce/IBG but IBG has a lot more utility and is also pretty great against the whole 'build 50 flat arpen on Jayce/Varus/Jhin/etc' family of builds. A lot of the things you pay for in the Triforce really aren't that great on Ezreal (attack speed, health, etc). Nearly 1700 gold of its 3600 gold worth of base stats come from health and AS alone.
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Oct 4, 2016 03:42
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on the other hand ibg does literally loving nothing about the following: - nidalee eating your face - all of the ap midlaners obliterating you 700 range because you have no phage procs to run away with - that tower over there with 3000 hp - the enemy adc killing you faster than you kill them
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blah_blah posted:I'm pretty on the fence between Triforce/IBG but IBG has a lot more utility and is also pretty great against the whole 'build 50 flat arpen on Jayce/Varus/Jhin/etc' family of builds. A lot of the things you pay for in the Triforce really aren't that great on Ezreal (attack speed, health, etc). Nearly 1700 gold of its 3600 gold worth of base stats come from health and AS alone. Ezreal does need attack speed, it's one of the reasons BotRK is the most common third item on him. I honestly don't understand why the Iceborn Gauntlet build didn't completely fall out of favor when Patch 6.8 dropped the spellblade AD ratio significantly. As it stands on live Triforce spellblade AD effect is 2x the Iceborn one. Also the icy zone on Iceborn Gauntlet scales off of bonus armor, which Ezreal will never build at any point in the game, so he basically only applies the basic zone. It's not very compelling to me at all.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:08
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Libertine posted:Ezreal does need attack speed, it's one of the reasons BotRK is the most common third item on him. I'm not just saying this to disagree with you but I think part of it is ez already builds a tear which delays his power spike and he can't afford to rush pure offensive items towards tri while already behind as part of his kit/core. Usually we see tear into sheen + glacial components and it likely helps stop him from losing lane even harder than he would be during this buildpath because even just cloth helps a ton against laning phase adc damage, not to mention the mana he gets from being able to build an extra gem. When we do see tf it's because he or his team is already ahead enough he can afford to skip that part. Maybe I'm wrong and the complete ibg is important at keeping people off him/giving free chase and that's why they favor it but either way it's certainly not from pure ignorance.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:18
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Work Friend Keven posted:Lets give in to suffering and build essence reaver / ie ez already Well Essence Reaver is blue, so clearly we should shove it into blue build.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:21
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Uzi came back to lane with a large lead and easily could have built toward a first item TF but instead bought a bunch of garbage towards an IBG and neutralized his own lead. i think an IBG is still reasonable if you're picking Ezreal because the enemy team just plans to dive the absolute poo poo out of you, but that's really specific.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:22
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kirtar posted:Well Essence Reaver is blue, so clearly we should shove it into blue build. obviously we need the patented qtpie blucian to shake up the adc meta
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Oct 4, 2016 04:25
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ArbitraryC posted:obviously we need the patented qtpie blucian to shake up the adc meta Does it work in top lane?
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Oct 4, 2016 04:31
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no, sadly, the loss of the lane swap meta has ruined the game
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Oct 4, 2016 04:32
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ArbitraryC posted:I'm not just saying this to disagree with you but I think part of it is ez already builds a tear which delays his power spike and he can't afford to rush pure offensive items towards tri while already behind as part of his kit/core In season 4/5 the build was manamune/tri. Was played mid and bot. It takes 20mins to stack the tear and get to gold to complete both at which point you are by far the strongest champion in the game.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:35
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Firebert posted:In season 4/5 the build was manamune/tri. Was played mid and bot. It takes 20mins to stack the tear and get to gold to complete both at which point you are by far the strongest champion in the game. im a garbage player with garbage builds and garbage opinions I'm just saying a smart man wouldn't look at pro choices and say they're dumb for not doing x they'd look for reasons why x might not actually be that strong of a strategy in the pro meta e: as an addendum they would also recognize that x winning in 100% of the few games it was actually used is less evidence of why it's a good strategy and more evidence that it's only viable under certain conditions, obviously it is known that the option exists it's just not normally utilized and there are probably reasons for that outside of intentionally throwing or stylistic choices. ArbitraryC fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 04:43
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Ibg means ezreal has no power spike. teams are weirdly obsessed with making him into the weakest utility adc
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Oct 4, 2016 04:45
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ArbitraryC posted:im a garbage player with garbage builds and garbage opinions I'm just saying a smart man wouldn't look at pro choices and say they're dumb for not doing x they'd look for reasons why x might not actually be that strong of a strategy in the pro meta assuming that their choices might have merit simply because a pro made them is actually pretty dumb
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Oct 4, 2016 04:46
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rabidsquid posted:assuming that their choices might have merit simply because a pro made them is actually pretty dumb a majority of pros!
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Oct 4, 2016 04:48
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counterpoint: meteos is on a worlds team
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Oct 4, 2016 04:49
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:counterpoint: meteos is on a worlds team but he's not on the majority of worlds teams! I do see your point tho
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Oct 4, 2016 04:50
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Pro teams played Ez mid and Corki bot comps many times this season LCK supports have been rushing ruby sightstone for months Sightstone Rek'sai... Pros are often just as retarded as a low-elo players and their decision making isn't unimpeachable.
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Oct 4, 2016 04:52
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EDG, who are theoretically one of the best teams in the world, have a HUGE issue with their pick/ban and team composition in one specific way that I identified months ago, and they aren't doing it for some extremely next level reason we can't understand, they just have faulty reasoning and haven't been sufficiently punished for it. They're not right to continue making this mistake because they're pros and im a huge Woolite fan
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Oct 4, 2016 04:54
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I thought Triforce Ezreal was the snowball build, so I don't think comparing win rates versus the standard build is very constructive
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Oct 4, 2016 05:07
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Libertine posted:My post wasn't arguing with you, my post was why would you pick a champion that needs Deathcap to be successful. i know, i was continuing the line of conversation. I have no idea but even if you do take her you should be building not like an idiot in the first place. edit: Triforce does much more damage than Iceborn on account of it providing 100% more base damage on the sheen proc, attack damage, and a shitload of attack speed, all good things a champion in a role for doing damage want. the damage from iceborn just isn't cutting it anymore after repeated nerfs from patches ago How Rude fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Oct 4, 2016 |
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Oct 4, 2016 05:08
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Smol posted:I thought Triforce Ezreal was the snowball build, so I don't think comparing win rates versus the standard build is very constructive I don't understand this line of reasoning at all. It's not a choice depending on whether or not you are snowballing, it's a choice between whether or not you want to be useful. If you are talking about a two item power spike, the expense of Triforce is offset by the cheapness of Manamune and the two combined make one of the biggest power spikes in the game as others have pointed out.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:11
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Pros in pretty much every sport have a tendency to kind of fall in a groove of doing what they think works and not really examining the results of it to see if it really is working. Even the best players and coaches can sometimes have glaring blindspots, which cascades to the rest of the sport because ultimately most of the players/coaches that aren't the consensus top guys end up just copycatting who they think is the best. Also the problem with calling Triforce Ez a "snowball build" is that if you build IBG on an Ezreal that's behind you're basically just resigning him to not being a damage threat.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:12
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Libertine posted:I don't understand this line of reasoning at all. It's not a choice depending on whether or not you are snowballing, it's a choice between whether or not you want to be useful. I haven't played League in like a year, so I don't really know what build is good. But if we assume that Triforce build is the snowball build (which is how it was explained to me), its win rates aren't that comparable, since by definition its users were already snowballing the game and would probably win with any build.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:24
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that last line is sort of funny because RNG lost a game at least in part because a two kill during early laning Uzi went IBG build and was a huge reason for why they ended up doing nothing edit: going IBG with a lead is stupendously bad. it was more okay during the lane swap meta but in standard lanes it's not going to do a ton for you. imagine a rylais with no AP on it, and that's current IBG in lane.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:26
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I think if we've resigned ourselves to the idea that the pros are wrong and build icb in the majority of games because them and their coaches are dum dums we're prolly not gonna make much progress in identifying the advantages and disadvantages of one over the other.
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Oct 4, 2016 05:26
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lay out the advantages for the IBG build for us to discuss, you seem fairly convinced of it and i'd like to know as Ezreal is my second favorite ADC!
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Oct 4, 2016 05:29
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It's more that people looked at the advantages and disadvantages of it, decided Triforce is generally better, and because of that think the pros and coaches are dum dums for not seeing that.
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